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Re: Street Tires in Stock Classes and Fewer Allowances

To: SJMARCY@aol.com, JDMurphy47@aol.com, autox@autox.team.net, seb@scca.com
Subject: Re: Street Tires in Stock Classes and Fewer Allowances
From: Matt Murray <mattm@optonline.net>
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:44:57 -0500
There are a few of us that prefer the "R" tire allowance. If I remember 
correctly, there *is* a few ST classes. ST does still mean "Street Tire," yes?

Please enough of the "get rid of "R" tires" soap box. You'll have to pry my 
Hoosier Racing Tires from my cold dead hands (or rims).  :^)

Matt Murray


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: SJMARCY@aol.com 
  To: JDMurphy47@aol.com ; autox@autox.team.net ; seb@scca.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 3:55 PM
  Subject: Re: Street Tires in Stock Classes and Fewer Allowances


  In a message dated 2/22/2006 3:49:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
  jdmurphy47@aol.com writes:

  With  Danny Shields' recent articles about this and several postings touching 
  on  this subject along with high speeds being obtained by high performance 
  stock  cars (like SS), it is now high time to propose the  removal of DOT R  
  Tires (called "cheater slicks") from the stock classes.  There are many  
  arguments in favor of this but several readily come to mind: 1. The 
technology  of 
  stock cars and street tires is advancing and DOT slicks are no longer  
needed. 2. 
  The stock class will come closer to being truly "stock" by one step  and help 
  the newbies. I am sure others on this list can add to this. Two other  stock 
  allowances should be considered for removal: 1. Cat back exhaust - the  new 
  exhausts are better. 2. Any air filter - again better stock technology.  The 
  only one that I would keep is the shock absorber allowance but I would  cost 
  restrict these - if this is even possible.   Time to make stock  more "stock" 
and 
  still have lots of fun. Jim
  One data point on an admittedly unusual car, the Elise.  On a given  one 
  minute course, the stock street R compound tires are only roughly a second  
or so 
  slower than a Hoosier shod car.  You can drive the Yokohama A048s  about 
8,000 
  miles on the street and for about the first 5,000 they will be  gummy.  They 
  are fine on the street durability and rain wise as long as  it's above 45-50 
  degrees or so.  With the full street tires, the Yokohama  Advan Neova AD07s 
  about one more second is lost.  Now the differences will  change with course 
and 
  car but there are many real street tires that drive just  fine for autocross.
   
  Stan




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