Fair 'nuff.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Bach <db10782@insync.net>
To: Gano, Ken <kengano@advant.com>
Cc: fred thomas <vafred@erols.com>; triumphs@autox.team.net
<triumphs@autox.team.net>; british-cars@autox.team.net
<british-cars@autox.team.net>
Date: Sunday, May 10, 1998 1:03 AM
Subject: Re: powder-coat
>Hi Ken,
>
>Tell you what. I'm leaving early tomorrow on business, and considering the
>hour, can't fully respond at this time. However, when I return later in
the
>week I'll draft a response and try to provide some guidance on the subject.
>Believe me, I fully understand your and others interest in doing your own
>coating, and will attempt to at least help in getting the best results
possible,
>considering the limitations. Fair enough?
>
>Later,
>
>Doug Bach
>'60 TR3A
>'58 Corvette
>
>Gano, Ken wrote:
>
>> Doug:
>>
>> Thank you for your thoughts. I find DIY'er's (my self included) to be a
>> stubborn lot. Tell us what products might work on a home basis and what
>> ones to ignore. I, for one, would like to know how to address these
>> problems, rather than being told, flat out, it won't work. I find the
>> Eastwood system to fills a big need (the ability to immediately do small
>> jobs in house.) and would like to know all the pitfalls, limitations and
>> work arounds.
>>
>> The whole of the auto restoration hobby would not be a drop in the bucket
to
>> whole of the finishing industry. The other benefits of being able to
>> adequately do it at home, at least to me, outweigh the hassle of being
>> limited to a few powders or one process.
>>
>> I find this list to be a wonderful source of information, and if you have
a
>> particular expertise, I beg of you to share it with us.
>>
>> kengano@advant.com
>> downstate illinois
>> 1959 TR3A TS57756L
>> 1958 Model 10 Sedan TBE9239LDLB
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Doug Bach <db10782@insync.net>
>> To: fred thomas <vafred@erols.com>
>> Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net <triumphs@autox.team.net>;
>> british-cars@autox.team.net <british-cars@autox.team.net>
>> Date: Saturday, May 09, 1998 11:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: powder-coat
>>
>> >
>> >fred thomas wrote:
>> >
>> >>>Doug, what com. are you the V.P.?
>> >
>> >Herberts-O'Brien Inc. We produce the coatings, and sell to applicators,
>> both OEMs
>> >and custom coaters.
>> >
>> >>>I may be incorrect but like most
>> >>>hobbiest when very good products come along with a way of saving a lot
of
>> >>>money I'm all for it. On small auto related items this home kit is
very
>> >>>usefull, and the larger industrial shops don't want this business
anyway.
>> >>>My local shop that I did business with a few years ago charges 100.00
to
>> >>>do any amount of nuts and bolts, their reasoning, they are to much
>> >>>trouble and if I charge enough people will not bring them to me, I
don't
>> >>>want that business anyway. So where do I take my nuts & bolts as I do
not
>> >>>have 100.00 for a 5.00 job. Yes there is a need for these kits as well
as
>> >>>a place for attitudes like my ex-local shop.
>> >
>> >I understand what you are saying, and do sympathize. However, I'd guess
>> that the
>> >reason for your interest in powder coatings is related to the
performance
>> and
>> >appearance typically related to powder coating. My point is that you
>> probably
>> >won't achieve the kind of performance of associated with powder coatings
>> with a
>> >home application. The actual coating is only one step in the process.
>> Without
>> >the proper pretreatment and curing conditions powder coatings won't
perform
>> any
>> >better than liquid coatings, and may well provide inferior performance.
>> Powder
>> >coatings need a clean, properly pretreated (or blasted) substrate to
work
>> well.
>> >Additionally, since these are thermoset coatings, they must be fully
cured
>> to
>> >yield good performance. I wasn't attempting to say that you absolutely
>> wouldn't
>> >be happy with the results you may get, but that you should be aware that
>> it's not
>> >just a matter of spraying powder on a part, baking it for a while, and
>> getting a
>> >finish equal to that off a production line which may represent a
$500,000
>> (for a
>> >small line) or more investment.
>> >
>> >We are very sensitive to the fact that we have made strong inroads in
the
>> >finishing industry based on the performance of powder coatings, and
don't
>> want to
>> >get a bad rap when it's advertised as a process suitable for home use.
We
>> don't
>> >like unhappy customers, and that was the reason for my post. I've been
in
>> the
>> >business for 27 years, and have seen more horror stories than I like to
>> recall.
>> >
>> >>>Where is your shop located??
>> >
>> >Our headquarters are in Houston, and we also have facilities in
Hilliard,
>> Ohio,
>> >and Monterrey, Mexico. Globally we have 17 plants throughout the world.
>> >
>> >Regards,
>> >
>> >Doug Bach
>> >
>> >
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