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RE: P type Wiring diagram card

To: "'Gill Morbey'" <gill.morbey@virgin.net>
Subject: RE: P type Wiring diagram card
From: "Lew Palmer" <lpalmer@mn.mediaone.net>
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 15:49:33 -0600
Cc: "'MMM List UK'" <mg-mmm@autox.team.net>
In-reply-to: <001601c19c64$7484afc0$da04fc3e@rgg0r>
Reply-to: "Lew Palmer" <lpalmer@mn.mediaone.net>
Sender: owner-mg-mmm@autox.team.net
Dick,

I think you will find that the cutout has a metal screen over the bottom
side which keeps the resistors away from the firewall. The fact that the
diagram card is plastic may help as well. Although I can't find mine at
the moment, my memory is that my card is a thin metal plate, not
plastic. But I could be wrong about that.

And yes, the diagram goes between the junction box and the firewall. It
would appear from pictures that the cutout was mounted at the bottom
with the fuses at the top - even though mine was the other way around.
The diagram card was not upright, if memory serves.

Regards,
Lew

-----Original Message-----
From: Gill Morbey [mailto:gill.morbey@virgin.net] 
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 1:00 PM
To: Lew Palmer
Cc: 'MMM List UK'
Subject: Re: P type Wiring diagram card

Dear Lew,

Re the last e mail - I went down to dig out the original 1935 firewall
and
realisation dawned!

The plastic plate fits BETWEEN the junction box and the firewall.  That
solved ANOTHER mystery I had been puzzling over - namely, how do you
stop
the 2 resistors from the (antique) 3-brush system which sit within the
junction box from shorting out against the metal of the firewall -
answer -
the plastic diagram card insulates them!

It also resolved yet ANOTHER query - which way up does the Junction Box
go?
Answer:  With the cut-out at the bottom and fusebox at the top.  That at
least is what the card would suggest!

What say you?

Regards
Dick Morbey
PA 0743
Marlow, Bucks. UK



----- Original Message -----
From: Gill Morbey <gill.morbey@virgin.net>
To: Lew Palmer <lpalmer@mn.mediaone.net>
Cc: 'MMM List UK' <mg-mmm@autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: P type Wiring diagram card


> Dear Jack,
>
> Thanks for the info.  My patience was rewarded on your www site, as
the
pic
> displayed is identical to the black plastic (not metal) wiring card I
have.
>
> Judging by the appearance of both examples, which are a bit scuffed,
I'd
> guess that the wiring loom has chafed the plastic over the years.  But
why
> plastic on the hot side of the firewall?!  Maybe it was seen as a new
wonder
> material that would be impervious to - well, anything??
>
> Regards
> Dick Morbey
> PA0743
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Lew Palmer <lpalmer@mn.mediaone.net>
> To: <mg-mmm@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 5:14 PM
> Subject: FW: P type Wiring diagram card
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Lew Palmer [mailto:lpalmer@mn.mediaone.net]
> > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 11:14 AM
> > To: 'Gill Morbey'
> > Subject: RE: P type Wiring diagram card
> >
> >
> >
> > Dick,
> >
> > That card is found on the firewall directly beneath the cutout.
> >
> > See the picture of mine (for a CJR3) at
> > http://www.roundaboutmanor.com/Airline/Points%20of%20Originality.htm
> > Near the bottom of the page.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Lew Palmer
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-mg-mmm@autox.team.net
[mailto:owner-mg-mmm@autox.team.net]
> > On Behalf Of Gill Morbey
> > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 8:50 AM
> > To: 'MMM List UK'
> > Subject: P type Wiring diagram card
> >
> > Dear All,
> >
> > While delving through some of the items that came with my P type all
> > those
> > years ago, I lighted on a black plastic card, sized 3  5/8" high x 2
> > 3/4"
> > wide.
> >
> > On it are engraved, in white, the main connections in the fuse box,
laid
> > out
> > in 4 columns.  Starting from the lhs we have:
> >
> >
> > (The "O" below indicates a connection)
> >
> > Column 1
> > O   (Blank)
> > O   F1 green
> > O   E black
> > O   F green and black
> > O   +D yellow
> >
> > Column 2:
> > O    A  aux Purple and white
> > O    H  Nearside Head  Blue & white
> > O    Ho  Offside Head
> > O    Side & tail  Red & white
> > O    HN   Horn
> >
> > Column 3:
> > O+   Purple                        } TO ACCESSORIES
> > O     H Blue
> >
> > O     Ho   Red & brown     }
> > O     S  Red                       }   TO LAMPS
> >
> > O    HN                              } TO HORN
> >
> >
> > Column 4:
> > O    IG      White
> > O    (blank)
> > O    SOL   Black & white
> > O    HN      Purple & yellow
> > O   DIP      Red & black
> >
> > O    (A shaded in spot)
> >
> > Some of the markings are partly erased, including part of the
> > "instructions"
> > which start with the words "To read diagram ......... [?put the]
spot at
> > .......corner"
> >
> > The card has 2 fixing holes, at top right & bottom left.
> >
> > Would it have been fitted inside the lid of the fuse box, or
somewhere
> > inside
> > the junction box?  Or is it an invading alien from some vehicle
other
> > than a
> > MMM?
> >
> > I can e mail a scanned pic of it to anyone who might be interested
> >
> > Regards
> > Dick Morbey
> > PA 0743
> >
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