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To: Harold Manifold <manifold@telus.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Oil Additives
From: Michael Oritt <michael.oritt@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 19:29:38 -0400
Cc: Austin Healey <healeys@autox.team.net>
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With respect, I don't see how camshafts can be expected to adjust their
needs to the number of miles driven.
Yes, lobe wear will be less with fewer miles but the object of the exercise
is to eliminate it as much as possible.

Best--Michael Oritt

On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 7:01 PM Harold Manifold <manifold@telus.net> wrote:

> Lucas Oil makes a number of engine oils for cars, motorcycles, classic
> cars and racing applications. ZDDP ppm tends to increase with the demands
> on the engine. They suggest 2100 ppm for classic cars. A few easy miles p=
er
> year would suggest a lower ZDDP and higher miles and/or if the engine is
> working harder then a higher ZDDP level.
>
> Harold
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of *Mi=
chael
> Oritt
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 26, 2020 3:47 PM
> *To:* Bob Spidell
> *Cc:* Austin Healey
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Oil Additives
>
> On my Healey I use either Castrol or Amsoil 20/50 full-synthetic plus one
> small bottle of ZDDPlus.
> I like K+N 2009 oil filters and always cut them apart after each oil
> change to inspect the filter medium for shiny bits.
> In my race engines I use Royal Purple racing oil plus above.
>
> Best--Michael Oritt
>
> On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 3:51 PM Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> I noticed something interesting/odd--'interestingly odd?'--the other day
>> at 'my' Costco: They no longer carried any non-synthetic oil besides She=
ll
>> Rotella.  Along with the usual Mobil 1, they offered 'Kirkland Synthetic=
'
>> in the lighter grades (0W-20, 5W-20, 0W-30, 10W30).
>>
>> There may come a day we can no longer get plain 'dino' oil, esp. in the
>> lighter grades.
>>
>>
>> On 4/26/2020 9:37 AM, Richard Collins wrote:
>>
>> FWIW:
>>
>> I=E2=80=99ve been running Brad Penn Green 30w for 10-12 years in my BN7 =
with no
>> apparent issue. I understand the ZDDP has been reduced/removed from it i=
n
>> recent years but I am still using up inventory. I only run 2000 miles or=
 so
>> a year ( including a few track laps) but change it every other year or
>> two.
>> I have a variety of other cars, air cooled, water cooled and tracked all
>> of which use Mobil 1 synthetic of various grades except the wife=E2=80=
=99s Lexus
>> which gets dealer bulk whatever. Have thought about trying Mobil 1 on th=
e
>> Healey but increased leak risks prevent me from doing that yet.
>> I always change filters on every oil change and open to inspect Them.
>> Last year I found plastic and shavings in my track car oil filter so had
>> new IMS and RMS replaced, (just in time at 86k hard miles)
>> Just my .$02 on this thread.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Richard C
>> BN7 #440
>>
>>
>> On Apr 26, 2020, at 11:15, Roger Grace <roggrace@telus.net>
>> <roggrace@telus.net> wrote:
>>
>> =EF=BB=BF
>> Interested to see that you feel it necessary to add additional zinc. VR1
>> already has 1300 ppm ?
>> Is there a consensus on what amount is actually needed? Think that you
>> can have too much too ?
>> Am a VR1 user but don't add anything.
>> rg
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Bruce Steele <healeybruce@roadrunner.com>
>> <healeybruce@roadrunner.com>
>> To: wwycoffbn7@aol.com, 'healeylist' <Healeys@autox.team.net>
>> <Healeys@autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 08:41:40 -0600 (MDT)
>> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Oil Additives
>>
>> I add a bottle of Red Line break-in additive with my annual oil change o=
f
>> Valvoline VR-1 20W50 racing oil.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bruce Steele
>>
>> Brea, CA
>>
>> 1960 BN7
>>
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">With =
respect, I don&#39;t see how camshafts=C2=A0can be expected to adjust their=
 needs to the number of miles driven.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_=
default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Yes, lobe wear will be less with fewer mil=
es but the object of the exercise is to eliminate it as=C2=A0much as possib=
le.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div><di=
v class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Best--Michael Oritt=C2=A0=
</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_=
attr">On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 7:01 PM Harold Manifold &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:manifold@telus.net">manifold@telus.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote=
 class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px so=
lid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><u></u>



<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" fa=
ce=3D"Arial">Lucas Oil makes a number of engine oils for cars, motorcycles,=
=20
classic cars and racing applications. ZDDP ppm tends to=C2=A0increase with =
the=20
demands on the engine. They suggest 2100 ppm for classic cars. A few easy m=
iles=20
per year would suggest a lower ZDDP and higher miles and/or if the engine i=
s=20
working harder then a higher ZDDP level.</font></span></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" fa=
ce=3D"Arial"></font></span>=C2=A0</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" fa=
ce=3D"Arial">Harold</font></span></div><br>
<div lang=3D"en-us" dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left">
<hr>
<font size=3D"2" face=3D"Tahoma"><b>From:</b> Healeys=20
[mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank"=
>healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael=20
Oritt<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, April 26, 2020 3:47 PM<br><b>To:</b> Bob=20
Spidell<br><b>Cc:</b> Austin Healey<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Oil=20
Additives<br></font><br></div>
<div></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)">On my Healey I =
use either=20
Castrol or Amsoil 20/50 full-synthetic=C2=A0plus one small bottle of=20
ZDDPlus.</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)">I like K+N 2009=
 oil filters and=20
always cut them apart after each oil change=C2=A0to inspect the filter medi=
um=20
for shiny bits.</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)">In my race engi=
nes=C2=A0I use=20
Royal Purple racing oil plus above.</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)"><br></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)">Best--Michael=
=20
Oritt<br></div></div><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div class=3D"gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 3:51 PM Bob S=
pidell &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.net"; target=3D"_blank">bspide=
ll@comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"padding-left:1ex;border-left:1px=
 solid rgb(204,204,204);margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex">
  <div>I noticed something interesting/odd--&#39;interestingly odd?&#39;--t=
he other day=20
  at &#39;my&#39; Costco: They no longer carried any non-synthetic oil besi=
des Shell=20
  Rotella.=C2=A0 Along with the usual Mobil 1, they offered &#39;Kirkland S=
ynthetic&#39;=20
  in the lighter grades (0W-20, 5W-20, 0W-30, 10W30).<br><br>There may come=
 a=20
  day we can no longer get plain &#39;dino&#39; oil, esp. in the lighter=20
  grades.<br><br><br>
  <div>On 4/26/2020 9:37 AM, Richard Collins wrote:<br></div>
  <blockquote type=3D"cite">
    <div>FWIW:</div>
    <div><br></div>I=E2=80=99ve been running Brad Penn Green 30w for 10-12 =
years in my=20
    BN7 with no apparent issue. I understand the ZDDP has been reduced/remo=
ved=20
    from it in recent years but I am still using up inventory. I only run 2=
000=20
    miles or so a year ( including a few track laps) but change it every ot=
her=20
    year or two.=C2=A0=20
    <div>I have a variety of other cars, air cooled, water cooled and track=
ed=20
    all of which use Mobil 1 synthetic of various grades except the wife=E2=
=80=99s Lexus=20
    which gets dealer bulk whatever. Have thought about trying Mobil 1 on t=
he=20
    Healey but increased leak risks prevent me from doing that yet.</div>
    <div>I always change filters on every oil change and open to inspect Th=
em.=20
    Last year I found plastic and shavings in my track car oil filter so ha=
d new=20
    IMS and RMS replaced, (just in time at 86k hard miles)<br>Just my .$02 =
on=20
    this thread.</div>
    <div><br>
    <div dir=3D"ltr">Regards,=20
    <div>Richard C</div>
    <div>BN7 #440</div>
    <div><br></div></div>
    <div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">On Apr 26, 2020, at 11:15, Roger Grace <a hre=
f=3D"mailto:roggrace@telus.net"; target=3D"_blank">&lt;roggrace@telus.net&gt=
;</a>=20
    wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
      <div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF=20
      <div>Interested to see that you feel it necessary to add additional z=
inc.=20
      VR1 already has 1300 ppm ?<br></div>
      <div>Is there a consensus on what amount is actually needed? Think th=
at=20
      you can have too much too ?<br></div>
      <div>Am a VR1 user but don&#39;t add anything.<br></div>
      <div>rg<br></div>
      <div><br></div>
      <div><br></div>
      <div>----- Original Message -----<br>From: Bruce Steele <a href=3D"ma=
ilto:healeybruce@roadrunner.com" target=3D"_blank">&lt;healeybruce@roadrunn=
er.com&gt;</a><br>To: <a href=3D"mailto:wwycoffbn7@aol.com"; target=3D"_blan=
k">wwycoffbn7@aol.com</a>,=20
      &#39;healeylist&#39; <a href=3D"mailto:Healeys@autox.team.net"; target=
=3D"_blank">&lt;Healeys@autox.team.net&gt;</a><br>Sent: Sun, 26 Apr 2020=20
      08:41:40 -0600 (MDT)<br>Subject: Re: [Healeys] Oil Additives<br></div=
>
      <div><br></div>
      <div>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>I add a bottle of Red Line break-in addi=
tive with=20
      my annual oil change of Valvoline VR-1 20W50 racing oil.</span></p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span></span>=C2=A0</p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Bruce Steele</span></p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Brea, CA</span></p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>1960=20
    BN7</span></p><br></div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><br></div=
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