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Re: Read ONLY if you have a "True Street" autocross car!

To: Navid Kahangi <navid@interwoven.com>
Subject: Re: Read ONLY if you have a "True Street" autocross car!
From: "John J. Stimson-III" <john@harlie.idsfa.net>
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:10:08 -0800
Navid,

Maybe this is just an informal series where the participants can be
trusted not to "cheat".  It's not like there are cash prizes to entice
someone to cheat.  The idea of "true street" just wouldn't appeal to
someone who doesn't drive their race car to events.

Your minimum mileage requirement would disqualify me, even though my
Miata is my only car and I do drive it to work and the store and on
ski trips and such.  It would penalize those who have a short commute
just to eliminate cheaters who may not even exist.

Cheating at an amateur sport is the pinnacle of lameness, in my
opinion.  Not that it hasn't happened...


On Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 11:38:18AM -0800, Navid Kahangi wrote:
> James,
> 
> I applaud you for thinking out of the box.  The idea has merit, but I'm
> afraid it has some significant flaws:
> 
> Any rule that cannot be enforced is not worth the paper it's written on (or
> the html tag that surrounds it :)).  Examples:
> 
> "Car driven to the event".  What about towing to the near parking lot and
> driving to the event?
> "Driver can't change cars in wet weather"  Changes cars?  From last event?
> >From the car you drove in with?  Can you leave and come back with a
> different car?...
> "Between each event (or at least once a week) car must be used for at least
> one of the below: 
> a. Commute to work 
> b. Grocery shopping trip, or similar (drive through fast food?, etc) 
> c. 100+ mile drive "
> Who is going to enforce this?  Are you going to follow me home or meet me at
> McDonnalds drive through for my weekly check?
> "Car competes on DOT tires used to drive to event (if you change tires for
> an event, there will be a penalty adjustment added to your time of 1%) (DOT
> means DOT-R also- no slicks)"  Are we talking spec Kumho series here?  Never
> mind, I guess you can always tow a car with Hoosiers to a nearby lot :).
> 
> If you want a "True Street" class, all you need is 2 simple rules:
> 
> 1) Registration & Insurance.
> 2) More than 12,000 miles on your odometer from the beginning of the season
> to the end.
> 
> Both can be inforced.
> 
> --Navid
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: james creasy [mailto:Black94PGT@pacbell.net]
> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 7:17 AM
> To: ba-autox@autox.team.net
> Subject: Read ONLY if you have a "True Street" autocross car!
> 
> Announcing a Concurrent Race Series called the "True Street Autocross
> Series" in the San Francisco Bay Area
> 
> As the name implies, "True Street Autocross Series" is for cars used as real
> cars- no trailer queens or race-only cars need apply!
> 
> Winners declared in "Raw Time" and "Pax Time" divisions. The series is
> dedicated to the idea that there is a fundamental difference between street
> cars and race cars, and cars that are "True Street" should be recognized
> separately.
> 
> *** Why True Street? ***
> 
> Cross class competition
> ------------------------
> "True Street"s PAX Time division lets drivers from different classes compete
> against each other. Remember the old PAX class? Now, beat up on your class
> competition AND other hotshoes at the same time!
> 
> Baddest Street Cars
> ---------------------
> Formerly banished to OSP, the most fire breathing and wild street cars are
> free to cut loose without losing to pure-race trailer cars in the RAW Time
> division!
> 
> Fewer Events
> --------------
> With only 12 events and 3 drops, run just half the number of events required
> in SFR SCCA and pick up a trophy!
> 
> Get the details and rules at:  http://thevenom.net/truestreet.html
> 
> Thanks, and see you Sunday!
> 
> -James "True Street" Creasy
> OSP #74

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john@idsfa.net                                              John Stimson
http://www.idsfa.net/~john/                              HMC Physics '94

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