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To: Ron Soave <soavero@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Iran, NATO and Europe - obviously no LBC
From: Billy Zoom via Spridgets <spridgets@autox.team.net>
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2026 11:24:19 -0700
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Totally non-functional....F*kit!

On Fri, Mar 20, 2026 at 6:42=E2=80=AFAM Ron Soave via Spridgets <
spridgets@autox.team.net> wrote:

> What color should the Sprite emblem be on the rear boot?
>
> Ron Soave
>
> On Mar 20, 2026, at 8:44=E2=80=AFAM, Larry Macy via Spridgets <
> spridgets@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB=BFDaniel,
>
> Well stated and thought from the British POV. I agree with your points,
> but would like to insert one clarification. It is not America that is
> insulting and bitching at NATO countries.
>
> I have been around for nearly 7 decades and this is the absolute worst
> relationship between our NATO allies and the US I have ever seen in those
> decades. Treating Russia as a =E2=80=9Cfriend=E2=80=9D over NATO, Iran an=
d Ukraine is the
> bottom of the barrel in my opinion.
>
> This is my opinion, and so far, in the US, I am still allowed to have one=
.
>
> Spridgeteers, Please don=E2=80=99t t make this a mess. It is simply the o=
pinion of
> an Englishman and an American.
>
> Larry
>
> On Mar 20, 2026, at 6:33=E2=80=AFAM, Weslake1330 via Spridgets <
> spridgets@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> Hi List,
>
> I wanted to post some thoughts on Iran, NATO and Europe that simply aren'=
t
> being reported on national news, as far as I can tell, whose reporters se=
em
> to have no idea of analysis or wider impacts.
>
> The news isn't saying much about how much help Iran has had and continues
> to have from Russia and China, the latter especially.  I believe that Ira=
n
> is an evil regime supported (English phrase: aided and abetted) over
> decades by Russia and China.  I have heard that Chinese technicians aidin=
g
> Iran firing missiles have been killed.  So if America decides to attack
> Iran that's ok by me in a broad sense.  Iran with nuclear weapons would b=
e
> a disaster for the world.
>
> NATO is about defence and its membership agreement makes that clear.  NAT=
O
> is not a force multiplier to call upon when a member's aggression needs
> some backup.  Yes, the USA puts more money into NATO than any other count=
ry
> and arguably it has had the most back.  Europe provided the buffer for th=
e
> USA against the USSR and I guess that was a price the USA decided was wor=
th
> paying.  Well times change and the USSR not longer exists but former
> members are a threat.  The flipside to the coin that isn't discussed is n=
ot
> whether all the NATO countries need to spend more (and a couple do) but
> could America spend less?
>
> America has stated that China rather that Russia are the real threats and
> attacking Iran weakens China considerably though news commentators aren't
> saying so.  America seems to continue to be well disposed to Mr Putin and
> Russia and seem to ignore the large part of aid Russia has given to Iran.
> Well I guess it might be in America's interest to say little and not stat=
e
> what is close to being obvious.
>
> What makes no sense and is baseless criticism is to insult NATO and
> European countries (who get very little oil and gas from Iran) for not
> answering a call to aid from America.  It is India, China and other easte=
rn
> countries who are not going their oil from the Gulf, not NATO and Europea=
n
> countries.  It's also worth considering what countries are in NATO.  Well
> Canada is in NATO and so is Denmark (who count Greenland as part of its
> territory) and they have good grounds for not rushing to the assistance o=
f
> the USA.  What about the European countries in NATO?  Well they are still
> very focused on supporting Ukraine and the Arctic where there is still
> Russian aggression and threat - something that America thinks they ought =
to
> be doing.
>
> It is never good sense to insult your friends and allies, or falsely
> accuse them.  And while you might publicly state they aren't helping and
> are free loaders, the truth and reality is quite different.  However, spe=
nd
> enough time and energy publicly criticising them and there is a real risk
> you'll discover how much they DID do when they decide to do a lot less or
> nothing for you in the future.  Google RAF Croughton and see not only how
> important that is to America but the controversy caused by a fatal road
> accident that made everything connected to that site unpopular.
>
> Regards
>
> Daniel S
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> =E2=80=94
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> Larry B. Macy, Ph.D.
> lmacy@mac.com
>
>
> =E2=80=9CRemember to look up at the stars and not down at your feet,=E2=
=80=9D he
> said. =E2=80=9CTry to make sense of what you see and about what makes the
> universe exist. Be curious. And however difficult life may seem, there is
> always something you can do, and succeed at. It matters that you don=E2=
=80=99t just
> give up.=E2=80=9D
> ~Stephen Hawking
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Totally non-functional....F*kit!</div><br><div class=3D"gm=
ail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On F=
ri, Mar 20, 2026 at 6:42=E2=80=AFAM Ron Soave via Spridgets &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net";>spridgets@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br=
></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;=
border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">=
What color should the Sprite emblem be on the rear boot?<div><br id=3D"m_15=
27160007564609892lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Ron Soav=
e</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Mar 20, 2026, at 8=
:44=E2=80=AFAM, Larry Macy via Spridgets &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@au=
tox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">spridgets@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>=
<br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF=
Daniel,<div><br></div><div>Well stated and thought from the British POV. I =
agree with your points, but would like to insert one clarification. It is n=
ot America that is insulting and bitching at NATO countries.=C2=A0</div><di=
v><br></div><div>I have been around for nearly 7 decades and this is the ab=
solute worst relationship between our NATO allies and the US I have ever se=
en in those decades. Treating Russia as a =E2=80=9Cfriend=E2=80=9D over NAT=
O, Iran and Ukraine is the bottom of the barrel in my opinion.=C2=A0</div><=
div><br></div><div>This is my opinion, and so far, in the US, I am still al=
lowed to have one.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Spridgeteers, Please don=
=E2=80=99t t make this a mess. It is simply the opinion of an Englishman an=
d an American. =C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Larry<br id=3D"m_15271600075=
64609892lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><=
div>On Mar 20, 2026, at 6:33=E2=80=AFAM, Weslake1330 via Spridgets &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">spridgets@autox.t=
eam.net</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi List,<div><br></di=
v><div>I wanted to post some thoughts on=C2=A0Iran, NATO and Europe that si=
mply aren&#39;t being reported on national news, as far as I can tell, whos=
e reporters seem to have no idea of analysis or wider impacts.</div><div><b=
r></div><div>The news isn&#39;t saying much about how much help Iran has ha=
d and continues to have from Russia and China, the latter especially.=C2=A0=
 I believe that Iran is an evil regime supported (English phrase: aided and=
 abetted) over decades by Russia and China.=C2=A0 I have heard that Chinese=
 technicians aiding Iran firing missiles have been killed.=C2=A0 So if Amer=
ica decides to attack Iran that&#39;s ok by me in a broad sense.=C2=A0 Iran=
 with nuclear weapons would be a disaster for the world.</div><div><br></di=
v><div>NATO is about defence and its membership agreement makes that clear.=
=C2=A0 NATO is not a force multiplier to call upon when a member&#39;s aggr=
ession needs some backup.=C2=A0 Yes, the USA puts more money into NATO than=
 any other country and arguably it has had the most back.=C2=A0 Europe prov=
ided the buffer for the USA against the USSR and I guess that was a price t=
he USA decided was worth paying.=C2=A0 Well times change and the USSR not l=
onger exists but former members are a threat.=C2=A0 The flipside to the coi=
n that isn&#39;t discussed is not whether all the NATO countries need to sp=
end more (and a couple do) but could America spend less?</div><div><br></di=
v><div>America has stated that China rather that Russia are the real threat=
s and attacking Iran weakens China considerably though news commentators ar=
en&#39;t saying so.=C2=A0 America seems to continue to be well disposed to =
Mr Putin and Russia and seem to ignore the large part of aid Russia has giv=
en to Iran.=C2=A0 Well I guess it might be in America&#39;s interest to say=
 little and not state what is close to being obvious.</div><div><br></div><=
div>What makes no sense and is baseless criticism is to insult NATO and Eur=
opean countries (who get very little oil and gas from Iran) for not answeri=
ng a call to aid from America.=C2=A0 It is India, China and other eastern c=
ountries who are not going their oil from the Gulf, not NATO and European c=
ountries.=C2=A0 It&#39;s also worth considering what countries are in NATO.=
=C2=A0 Well Canada is in NATO and so is Denmark (who count Greenland as par=
t of its territory) and they have good grounds for not rushing to the assis=
tance of the USA.=C2=A0 What about the European countries in NATO?=C2=A0 We=
ll they are still very focused on supporting Ukraine and the Arctic where t=
here is still Russian aggression and threat - something that America thinks=
 they ought to be doing.</div><div><br></div><div>It is never good sense to=
 insult your friends and allies, or falsely accuse them.=C2=A0 And while yo=
u might publicly state they aren&#39;t helping and are free loaders, the tr=
uth and reality is quite different.=C2=A0 However, spend enough time and en=
ergy publicly criticising them and there is a real risk you&#39;ll discover=
 how much they DID do when they decide to do a lot less or nothing for you =
in the future.=C2=A0 Google RAF Croughton and see not only how important th=
at is to America but the controversy caused by a fatal road accident that m=
ade everything connected to that site unpopular.</div><div><br></div><div>R=
egards</div><div><br></div><div>Daniel S</div></div>
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ord-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">=E2=80=94<br><br>Larry B. Macy, Ph.D.=
<br><a href=3D"mailto:lmacy@mac.com"; target=3D"_blank">lmacy@mac.com</a><br=
><br><br>=E2=80=9CRemember to look up at the stars=C2=A0and not down at you=
r feet,=E2=80=9D he said.=C2=A0=E2=80=9CTry to make sense of what you see=
=C2=A0and about what makes the universe=C2=A0exist. Be curious. And however=
=C2=A0difficult life may seem, there is always=C2=A0something you can do, a=
nd succeed=C2=A0at. It matters that you don=E2=80=99t just give=C2=A0up.=E2=
=80=9D=C2=A0<br>~Stephen Hawking<br><br></div>
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