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To: Weslake1330 <weslake1330@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Iran, NATO and Europe - obviously no LBC
From: David Woerpel via Spridgets <spridgets@autox.team.net>
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2026 10:03:02 -0500
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Respectfully,  gold with red.
Good save Grasshopper!  Good to here from you! =F0=9F=98=84
DaveW

On Fri, Mar 20, 2026, 9:18=E2=80=AFAM Weslake1330 via Spridgets <
spridgets@autox.team.net> wrote:

> Chrome but my Sprite doesn't have one to save weight.  I guess if there
> was a really nice transfer or sticker I could use I might be tempted to
> have one.
>
> On Fri, 20 Mar 2026 at 13:32, Ron Soave <soavero@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> What color should the Sprite emblem be on the rear boot?
>>
>> Ron Soave
>>
>> On Mar 20, 2026, at 8:44=E2=80=AFAM, Larry Macy via Spridgets <
>> spridgets@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>> =EF=BB=BFDaniel,
>>
>> Well stated and thought from the British POV. I agree with your points,
>> but would like to insert one clarification. It is not America that is
>> insulting and bitching at NATO countries.
>>
>> I have been around for nearly 7 decades and this is the absolute worst
>> relationship between our NATO allies and the US I have ever seen in thos=
e
>> decades. Treating Russia as a =E2=80=9Cfriend=E2=80=9D over NATO, Iran a=
nd Ukraine is the
>> bottom of the barrel in my opinion.
>>
>> This is my opinion, and so far, in the US, I am still allowed to have
>> one.
>>
>> Spridgeteers, Please don=E2=80=99t t make this a mess. It is simply the =
opinion
>> of an Englishman and an American.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>> On Mar 20, 2026, at 6:33=E2=80=AFAM, Weslake1330 via Spridgets <
>> spridgets@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hi List,
>>
>> I wanted to post some thoughts on Iran, NATO and Europe that simply
>> aren't being reported on national news, as far as I can tell, whose
>> reporters seem to have no idea of analysis or wider impacts.
>>
>> The news isn't saying much about how much help Iran has had and continue=
s
>> to have from Russia and China, the latter especially.  I believe that Ir=
an
>> is an evil regime supported (English phrase: aided and abetted) over
>> decades by Russia and China.  I have heard that Chinese technicians aidi=
ng
>> Iran firing missiles have been killed.  So if America decides to attack
>> Iran that's ok by me in a broad sense.  Iran with nuclear weapons would =
be
>> a disaster for the world.
>>
>> NATO is about defence and its membership agreement makes that clear.
>> NATO is not a force multiplier to call upon when a member's aggression
>> needs some backup.  Yes, the USA puts more money into NATO than any othe=
r
>> country and arguably it has had the most back.  Europe provided the buff=
er
>> for the USA against the USSR and I guess that was a price the USA decide=
d
>> was worth paying.  Well times change and the USSR not longer exists but
>> former members are a threat.  The flipside to the coin that isn't discus=
sed
>> is not whether all the NATO countries need to spend more (and a couple d=
o)
>> but could America spend less?
>>
>> America has stated that China rather that Russia are the real threats an=
d
>> attacking Iran weakens China considerably though news commentators aren'=
t
>> saying so.  America seems to continue to be well disposed to Mr Putin an=
d
>> Russia and seem to ignore the large part of aid Russia has given to Iran=
.
>> Well I guess it might be in America's interest to say little and not sta=
te
>> what is close to being obvious.
>>
>> What makes no sense and is baseless criticism is to insult NATO and
>> European countries (who get very little oil and gas from Iran) for not
>> answering a call to aid from America.  It is India, China and other east=
ern
>> countries who are not going their oil from the Gulf, not NATO and Europe=
an
>> countries.  It's also worth considering what countries are in NATO.  Wel=
l
>> Canada is in NATO and so is Denmark (who count Greenland as part of its
>> territory) and they have good grounds for not rushing to the assistance =
of
>> the USA.  What about the European countries in NATO?  Well they are stil=
l
>> very focused on supporting Ukraine and the Arctic where there is still
>> Russian aggression and threat - something that America thinks they ought=
 to
>> be doing.
>>
>> It is never good sense to insult your friends and allies, or falsely
>> accuse them.  And while you might publicly state they aren't helping and
>> are free loaders, the truth and reality is quite different.  However, sp=
end
>> enough time and energy publicly criticising them and there is a real ris=
k
>> you'll discover how much they DID do when they decide to do a lot less o=
r
>> nothing for you in the future.  Google RAF Croughton and see not only ho=
w
>> important that is to America but the controversy caused by a fatal road
>> accident that made everything connected to that site unpopular.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Daniel S
>> ------------------------
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>>
>> =E2=80=94
>>
>> Larry B. Macy, Ph.D.
>> lmacy@mac.com
>>
>>
>> =E2=80=9CRemember to look up at the stars and not down at your feet,=E2=
=80=9D he
>> said. =E2=80=9CTry to make sense of what you see and about what makes th=
e
>> universe exist. Be curious. And however difficult life may seem, there i=
s
>> always something you can do, and succeed at. It matters that you don=E2=
=80=99t just
>> give up.=E2=80=9D
>> ~Stephen Hawking
>>
>>
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<div dir=3D"auto">Respectfully,=C2=A0 gold with red.<div dir=3D"auto">Good =
save Grasshopper!=C2=A0 Good to here from=C2=A0you! =F0=9F=98=84</div><div =
dir=3D"auto">DaveW=C2=A0</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quo=
te_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Mar 20, 2026, 9=
:18=E2=80=AFAM Weslake1330 via Spridgets &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@au=
tox.team.net">spridgets@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid=
;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Chrome but my Sprite doesn&#39;t have o=
ne to save weight.=C2=A0 I guess if there was a really nice transfer or sti=
cker I could use I might be tempted to have one.</div><br><div class=3D"gma=
il_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, 20 Mar 2026 at 13:3=
2, Ron Soave &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:soavero@yahoo.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=
=3D"noreferrer">soavero@yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rg=
b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">What color should the Sp=
rite emblem be on the rear boot?<div><br id=3D"m_-2034298004502038644m_-915=
0558312448340395lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Ron Soave=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Mar 20, 2026, at 8:=
44=E2=80=AFAM, Larry Macy via Spridgets &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@aut=
ox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">spridgets@autox.team.net<=
/a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=
=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BFDaniel,<div><br></div><div>Well stated and thought from t=
he British POV. I agree with your points, but would like to insert one clar=
ification. It is not America that is insulting and bitching at NATO countri=
es.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>I have been around for nearly 7 decades =
and this is the absolute worst relationship between our NATO allies and the=
 US I have ever seen in those decades. Treating Russia as a =E2=80=9Cfriend=
=E2=80=9D over NATO, Iran and Ukraine is the bottom of the barrel in my opi=
nion.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>This is my opinion, and so far, in the=
 US, I am still allowed to have one.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Spridge=
teers, Please don=E2=80=99t t make this a mess. It is simply the opinion of=
 an Englishman and an American. =C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Larry<br id=
=3D"m_-2034298004502038644m_-9150558312448340395lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessa=
ge"><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Mar 20, 2026, at 6:33=E2=80=
=AFAM, Weslake1330 via Spridgets &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team=
.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">spridgets@autox.team.net</a>&gt;=
 wrote:</div><br><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi List,<div><br></div><div>I wanted=
 to post some thoughts on=C2=A0Iran, NATO and Europe that simply aren&#39;t=
 being reported on national news, as far as I can tell, whose reporters see=
m to have no idea of analysis or wider impacts.</div><div><br></div><div>Th=
e news isn&#39;t saying much about how much help Iran has had and continues=
 to have from Russia and China, the latter especially.=C2=A0 I believe that=
 Iran is an evil regime supported (English phrase: aided and abetted) over =
decades by Russia and China.=C2=A0 I have heard that Chinese technicians ai=
ding Iran firing missiles have been killed.=C2=A0 So if America decides to =
attack Iran that&#39;s ok by me in a broad sense.=C2=A0 Iran with nuclear w=
eapons would be a disaster for the world.</div><div><br></div><div>NATO is =
about defence and its membership agreement makes that clear.=C2=A0 NATO is =
not a force multiplier to call upon when a member&#39;s aggression needs so=
me backup.=C2=A0 Yes, the USA puts more money into NATO than any other coun=
try and arguably it has had the most back.=C2=A0 Europe provided the buffer=
 for the USA against the USSR and I guess that was a price the USA decided =
was worth paying.=C2=A0 Well times change and the USSR not longer exists bu=
t former members are a threat.=C2=A0 The flipside to the coin that isn&#39;=
t discussed is not whether all the NATO countries need to spend more (and a=
 couple do) but could America spend less?</div><div><br></div><div>America =
has stated that China rather that Russia are the real threats and attacking=
 Iran weakens China considerably though news commentators aren&#39;t saying=
 so.=C2=A0 America seems to continue to be well disposed to Mr Putin and Ru=
ssia and seem to ignore the large part of aid Russia has given to Iran.=C2=
=A0 Well I guess it might be in America&#39;s interest to say little and no=
t state what is close to being obvious.</div><div><br></div><div>What makes=
 no sense and is baseless criticism is to insult NATO and European countrie=
s (who get very little oil and gas from Iran) for not answering a call to a=
id from America.=C2=A0 It is India, China and other eastern countries who a=
re not going their oil from the Gulf, not NATO and European countries.=C2=
=A0 It&#39;s also worth considering what countries are in NATO.=C2=A0 Well =
Canada is in NATO and so is Denmark (who count Greenland as part of its ter=
ritory) and they have good grounds for not rushing to the assistance of the=
 USA.=C2=A0 What about the European countries in NATO?=C2=A0 Well they are =
still very focused on supporting Ukraine and the Arctic where there is stil=
l Russian aggression and threat - something that America thinks they ought =
to be doing.</div><div><br></div><div>It is never good sense to insult your=
 friends and allies, or falsely accuse them.=C2=A0 And while you might publ=
icly state they aren&#39;t helping and are free loaders, the truth and real=
ity is quite different.=C2=A0 However, spend enough time and energy publicl=
y criticising them and there is a real risk you&#39;ll discover how much th=
ey DID do when they decide to do a lot less or nothing for you in the futur=
e.=C2=A0 Google RAF Croughton and see not only how important that is to Ame=
rica but the controversy caused by a fatal road accident that made everythi=
ng connected to that site unpopular.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div>=
<div><br></div><div>Daniel S</div></div>
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