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Re: [Spridgets] Iran, NATO and Europe - obviously no LBC

To: Larry Macy <lmacy@mac.com>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Iran, NATO and Europe - obviously no LBC
From: Ron Soave via Spridgets <spridgets@autox.team.net>
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2026 09:32:05 -0400
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What color should the Sprite emblem be on the rear boot?

Ron Soave

> On Mar 20, 2026, at 8:44=E2=80=AFAM, Larry Macy via Spridgets <spridgets@a=
utox.team.net> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BFDaniel,
>=20
> Well stated and thought from the British POV. I agree with your points, bu=
t would like to insert one clarification. It is not America that is insultin=
g and bitching at NATO countries.=20
>=20
> I have been around for nearly 7 decades and this is the absolute worst rel=
ationship between our NATO allies and the US I have ever seen in those decad=
es. Treating Russia as a =E2=80=9Cfriend=E2=80=9D over NATO, Iran and Ukrain=
e is the bottom of the barrel in my opinion.=20
>=20
> This is my opinion, and so far, in the US, I am still allowed to have one.=
=20
>=20
> Spridgeteers, Please don=E2=80=99t t make this a mess. It is simply the op=
inion of an Englishman and an American. =20
>=20
> Larry
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>> On Mar 20, 2026, at 6:33=E2=80=AFAM, Weslake1330 via Spridgets <spridgets=
@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>=20
>> Hi List,
>>=20
>> I wanted to post some thoughts on Iran, NATO and Europe that simply aren'=
t being reported on national news, as far as I can tell, whose reporters see=
m to have no idea of analysis or wider impacts.
>>=20
>> The news isn't saying much about how much help Iran has had and continues=
 to have from Russia and China, the latter especially.  I believe that Iran i=
s an evil regime supported (English phrase: aided and abetted) over decades b=
y Russia and China.  I have heard that Chinese technicians aiding Iran firin=
g missiles have been killed.  So if America decides to attack Iran that's ok=
 by me in a broad sense.  Iran with nuclear weapons would be a disaster for t=
he world.
>>=20
>> NATO is about defence and its membership agreement makes that clear.  NAT=
O is not a force multiplier to call upon when a member's aggression needs so=
me backup.  Yes, the USA puts more money into NATO than any other country an=
d arguably it has had the most back.  Europe provided the buffer for the USA=
 against the USSR and I guess that was a price the USA decided was worth pay=
ing.  Well times change and the USSR not longer exists but former members ar=
e a threat.  The flipside to the coin that isn't discussed is not whether al=
l the NATO countries need to spend more (and a couple do) but could America s=
pend less?
>>=20
>> America has stated that China rather that Russia are the real threats and=
 attacking Iran weakens China considerably though news commentators aren't s=
aying so.  America seems to continue to be well disposed to Mr Putin and Rus=
sia and seem to ignore the large part of aid Russia has given to Iran.  Well=
 I guess it might be in America's interest to say little and not state what i=
s close to being obvious.
>>=20
>> What makes no sense and is baseless criticism is to insult NATO and Europ=
ean countries (who get very little oil and gas from Iran) for not answering a=
 call to aid from America.  It is India, China and other eastern countries w=
ho are not going their oil from the Gulf, not NATO and European countries.  I=
t's also worth considering what countries are in NATO.  Well Canada is in NA=
TO and so is Denmark (who count Greenland as part of its territory) and they=
 have good grounds for not rushing to the assistance of the USA.  What about=
 the European countries in NATO?  Well they are still very focused on suppor=
ting Ukraine and the Arctic where there is still Russian aggression and thre=
at - something that America thinks they ought to be doing.
>>=20
>> It is never good sense to insult your friends and allies, or falsely accu=
se them.  And while you might publicly state they aren't helping and are fre=
e loaders, the truth and reality is quite different.  However, spend enough t=
ime and energy publicly criticising them and there is a real risk you'll dis=
cover how much they DID do when they decide to do a lot less or nothing for y=
ou in the future.  Google RAF Croughton and see not only how important that i=
s to America but the controversy caused by a fatal road accident that made e=
verything connected to that site unpopular.
>>=20
>> Regards
>>=20
>> Daniel S
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>>=20
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>=20
> =E2=80=94
>=20
> Larry B. Macy, Ph.D.
> lmacy@mac.com
>=20
>=20
> =E2=80=9CRemember to look up at the stars and not down at your feet,=E2=80=
=9D he said. =E2=80=9CTry to make sense of what you see and about what makes=
 the universe exist. Be curious. And however difficult life may seem, there i=
s always something you can do, and succeed at. It matters that you don=E2=80=
=99t just give up.=E2=80=9D=20
> ~Stephen Hawking
>=20
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<html class=3D"apple-mail-supports-explicit-dark-mode"><head><meta http-equi=
v=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body dir=3D=
"auto">What color should the Sprite emblem be on the rear boot?<div><br id=3D=
"lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Ron Soave</div><div dir=3D=
"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Mar 20, 2026, at 8:44=E2=80=AFAM, Lar=
ry Macy via Spridgets &lt;spridgets@autox.team.net&gt; wrote:<br><br></block=
quote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-e=
quiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">Daniel,<div><br=
></div><div>Well stated and thought from the British POV. I agree with your p=
oints, but would like to insert one clarification. It is not America that is=
 insulting and bitching at NATO countries.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>I h=
ave been around for nearly 7 decades and this is the absolute worst relation=
ship between our NATO allies and the US I have ever seen in those decades. T=
reating Russia as a =E2=80=9Cfriend=E2=80=9D over NATO, Iran and Ukraine is t=
he bottom of the barrel in my opinion.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>This i=
s my opinion, and so far, in the US, I am still allowed to have one.&nbsp;</=
div><div><br></div><div>Spridgeteers, Please don=E2=80=99t t make this a mes=
s. It is simply the opinion of an Englishman and an American. &nbsp;</div><d=
iv><br></div><div>Larry<br id=3D"lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br><bl=
ockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Mar 20, 2026, at 6:33=E2=80=AFAM, Weslake1330=
 via Spridgets &lt;spridgets@autox.team.net&gt; wrote:</div><br class=3D"App=
le-interchange-newline"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi List,<div><br></div><div>I w=
anted to post some thoughts on&nbsp;Iran, NATO and Europe that simply aren't=
 being reported on national news, as far as I can tell, whose reporters seem=
 to have no idea of analysis or wider impacts.</div><div><br></div><div>The n=
ews isn't saying much about how much help Iran has had and continues to have=
 from Russia and China, the latter especially.&nbsp; I believe that Iran is a=
n evil regime supported (English phrase: aided and abetted) over decades by R=
ussia and China.&nbsp; I have heard that Chinese technicians aiding Iran fir=
ing missiles have been killed.&nbsp; So if America decides to attack Iran th=
at's ok by me in a broad sense.&nbsp; Iran with nuclear weapons would be a d=
isaster for the world.</div><div><br></div><div>NATO is about defence and it=
s membership agreement makes that clear.&nbsp; NATO is not a force multiplie=
r to call upon when a member's aggression needs some backup.&nbsp; Yes, the U=
SA puts more money into NATO than any other country and arguably it has had t=
he most back.&nbsp; Europe provided the buffer for the USA against the USSR a=
nd I guess that was a price the USA decided was worth paying.&nbsp; Well tim=
es change and the USSR not longer exists but former members are a threat.&nb=
sp; The flipside to the coin that isn't discussed is not whether all the NAT=
O countries need to spend more (and a couple do) but could America spend les=
s?</div><div><br></div><div>America has stated that China rather that Russia=
 are the real threats and attacking Iran weakens China considerably though n=
ews commentators aren't saying so.&nbsp; America seems to continue to be wel=
l disposed to Mr Putin and Russia and seem to ignore the large part of aid R=
ussia has given to Iran.&nbsp; Well I guess it might be in America's interes=
t to say little and not state what is close to being obvious.</div><div><br>=
</div><div>What makes no sense and is baseless criticism is to insult NATO a=
nd European countries (who get very little oil and gas from Iran) for not an=
swering a call to aid from America.&nbsp; It is India, China and other easte=
rn countries who are not going their oil from the Gulf, not NATO and Europea=
n countries.&nbsp; It's also worth considering what countries are in NATO.&n=
bsp; Well Canada is in NATO and so is Denmark (who count Greenland as part o=
f its territory) and they have good grounds for not rushing to the assistanc=
e of the USA.&nbsp; What about the European countries in NATO?&nbsp; Well th=
ey are still very focused on supporting Ukraine and the Arctic where there i=
s still Russian aggression and threat - something that America thinks they o=
ught to be doing.</div><div><br></div><div>It is never good sense to insult y=
our friends and allies, or falsely accuse them.&nbsp; And while you might pu=
blicly state they aren't helping and are free loaders, the truth and reality=
 is quite different.&nbsp; However, spend enough time and energy publicly cr=
iticising them and there is a real risk you'll discover how much they DID do=
 when they decide to do a lot less or nothing for you in the future.&nbsp; G=
oogle RAF Croughton and see not only how important that is to America but th=
e controversy caused by a fatal road accident that made everything connected=
 to that site unpopular.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div><div><br></di=
v><div>Daniel S</div></div>
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 0px; text-decoration: none;">=E2=80=94<br><br>Larry B. Macy, Ph.D.<br>lmacy=
@mac.com<br><br><br>=E2=80=9CRemember to look up at the stars&nbsp;and not d=
own at your feet,=E2=80=9D he said.&nbsp;=E2=80=9CTry to make sense of what y=
ou see&nbsp;and about what makes the universe&nbsp;exist. Be curious. And ho=
wever&nbsp;difficult life may seem, there is always&nbsp;something you can d=
o, and succeed&nbsp;at. It matters that you don=E2=80=99t just give&nbsp;up.=
=E2=80=9D&nbsp;<br>~Stephen Hawking<br><br></div>
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