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Because one day the politicians will come for our cars and force us to buy
something with a big battery in it?
On Fri, 20 Mar 2026 at 15:26, Monty Love via Spridgets <
spridgets@autox.team.net> wrote:
> How about we keep our politics to ourselves on this list and try to enjoy
> the cars.
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2026 at 10:02=E2=80=AFAM David Woerpel via Spridgets <
> spridgets@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> Amen to all both of you wrote. Especially Larry's closing plea.
>> I'm just beginning my 8th decade(79) and a student of history. Our clos=
e
>> friends in Australia have the same fears and opinions as UK and Europe.
>> Different perspectives help us see the total picture.
>> 1st day of Spring!! Approaching 60*F here in Cheeseland so may drop the
>> tank on the Bugeye to replace the sending unit seal. Hardest part is
>> emptying the boot.
>> Regards,
>>
>> DaveW
>>
>> '59:{)
>> '59 MGA 1500
>> 'Pay It Forward"
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2026, 7:38=E2=80=AFAM Larry Macy via Spridgets <
>> spridgets@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Daniel,
>>>
>>> Well stated and thought from the British POV. I agree with your points,
>>> but would like to insert one clarification. It is not America that is
>>> insulting and bitching at NATO countries.
>>>
>>> I have been around for nearly 7 decades and this is the absolute worst
>>> relationship between our NATO allies and the US I have ever seen in tho=
se
>>> decades. Treating Russia as a =E2=80=9Cfriend=E2=80=9D over NATO, Iran =
and Ukraine is the
>>> bottom of the barrel in my opinion.
>>>
>>> This is my opinion, and so far, in the US, I am still allowed to have
>>> one.
>>>
>>> Spridgeteers, Please don=E2=80=99t t make this a mess. It is simply the=
opinion
>>> of an Englishman and an American.
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>> On Mar 20, 2026, at 6:33=E2=80=AFAM, Weslake1330 via Spridgets <
>>> spridgets@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi List,
>>>
>>> I wanted to post some thoughts on Iran, NATO and Europe that simply
>>> aren't being reported on national news, as far as I can tell, whose
>>> reporters seem to have no idea of analysis or wider impacts.
>>>
>>> The news isn't saying much about how much help Iran has had and
>>> continues to have from Russia and China, the latter especially. I beli=
eve
>>> that Iran is an evil regime supported (English phrase: aided and abette=
d)
>>> over decades by Russia and China. I have heard that Chinese technician=
s
>>> aiding Iran firing missiles have been killed. So if America decides to
>>> attack Iran that's ok by me in a broad sense. Iran with nuclear weapon=
s
>>> would be a disaster for the world.
>>>
>>> NATO is about defence and its membership agreement makes that clear.
>>> NATO is not a force multiplier to call upon when a member's aggression
>>> needs some backup. Yes, the USA puts more money into NATO than any oth=
er
>>> country and arguably it has had the most back. Europe provided the buf=
fer
>>> for the USA against the USSR and I guess that was a price the USA decid=
ed
>>> was worth paying. Well times change and the USSR not longer exists but
>>> former members are a threat. The flipside to the coin that isn't discu=
ssed
>>> is not whether all the NATO countries need to spend more (and a couple =
do)
>>> but could America spend less?
>>>
>>> America has stated that China rather that Russia are the real threats
>>> and attacking Iran weakens China considerably though news commentators
>>> aren't saying so. America seems to continue to be well disposed to Mr
>>> Putin and Russia and seem to ignore the large part of aid Russia has gi=
ven
>>> to Iran. Well I guess it might be in America's interest to say little =
and
>>> not state what is close to being obvious.
>>>
>>> What makes no sense and is baseless criticism is to insult NATO and
>>> European countries (who get very little oil and gas from Iran) for not
>>> answering a call to aid from America. It is India, China and other eas=
tern
>>> countries who are not going their oil from the Gulf, not NATO and Europ=
ean
>>> countries. It's also worth considering what countries are in NATO. We=
ll
>>> Canada is in NATO and so is Denmark (who count Greenland as part of its
>>> territory) and they have good grounds for not rushing to the assistance=
of
>>> the USA. What about the European countries in NATO? Well they are sti=
ll
>>> very focused on supporting Ukraine and the Arctic where there is still
>>> Russian aggression and threat - something that America thinks they ough=
t to
>>> be doing.
>>>
>>> It is never good sense to insult your friends and allies, or falsely
>>> accuse them. And while you might publicly state they aren't helping an=
d
>>> are free loaders, the truth and reality is quite different. However, s=
pend
>>> enough time and energy publicly criticising them and there is a real ri=
sk
>>> you'll discover how much they DID do when they decide to do a lot less =
or
>>> nothing for you in the future. Google RAF Croughton and see not only h=
ow
>>> important that is to America but the controversy caused by a fatal road
>>> accident that made everything connected to that site unpopular.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Daniel S
>>> ------------------------
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>> =E2=80=94
>>>
>>> Larry B. Macy, Ph.D.
>>> lmacy@mac.com
>>>
>>>
>>> =E2=80=9CRemember to look up at the stars and not down at your feet,=E2=
=80=9D he
>>> said. =E2=80=9CTry to make sense of what you see and about what makes t=
he
>>> universe exist. Be curious. And however difficult life may seem, there =
is
>>> always something you can do, and succeed at. It matters that you don=E2=
=80=99t just
>>> give up.=E2=80=9D
>>> ~Stephen Hawking
>>>
>>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Because one day the politicians will come for our cars and=
force us to buy something with a big battery in it?</div><br><div class=3D=
"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">O=
n Fri, 20 Mar 2026 at 15:26, Monty Love via Spridgets <<a href=3D"mailto=
:spridgets@autox.team.net">spridgets@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br></div=
><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border=
-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:lar=
ge">How about we keep our politics to ourselves on this list and try to enj=
oy the cars.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" cla=
ss=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Mar 20, 2026 at 10:02=E2=80=AFAM David Woerpel vi=
a Spridgets <<a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blan=
k">spridgets@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gm=
ail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,=
204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">Amen to all both of you wrote.=
Especially Larry's closing plea.<div dir=3D"auto">I'm just beginni=
ng my 8th decade(79) and a student of history.=C2=A0 Our close friends in A=
ustralia have the same fears and opinions as UK and Europe.=C2=A0 Different=
perspectives help us see the total picture.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto">1=
st day of Spring!!=C2=A0 Approaching 60*F here in Cheeseland so may drop th=
e tank on the Bugeye to replace the sending unit seal. Hardest part is empt=
ying the boot.</div><div dir=3D"auto">Regards,</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br><=
/div><div dir=3D"auto">DaveW</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"a=
uto">'59:{)</div><div dir=3D"auto">'59 MGA 1500</div><div dir=3D"au=
to">'Pay It Forward"</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><di=
v dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Mar 20, 2026, 7:38=E2=80=AFAM La=
rry Macy via Spridgets <<a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net"; targ=
et=3D"_blank">spridgets@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px sol=
id rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>Daniel,<div><br></div><div>Well =
stated and thought from the British POV. I agree with your points, but woul=
d like to insert one clarification. It is not America that is insulting and=
bitching at NATO countries.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>I have been aro=
und for nearly 7 decades and this is the absolute worst relationship betwee=
n our NATO allies and the US I have ever seen in those decades. Treating Ru=
ssia as a =E2=80=9Cfriend=E2=80=9D over NATO, Iran and Ukraine is the botto=
m of the barrel in my opinion.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>This is my op=
inion, and so far, in the US, I am still allowed to have one.=C2=A0</div><d=
iv><br></div><div>Spridgeteers, Please don=E2=80=99t t make this a mess. It=
is simply the opinion of an Englishman and an American. =C2=A0</div><div><=
br></div><div>Larry<br id=3D"m_-5303689062396775595m_-7337965519567597478m_=
4724275360255771751lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br><blockquote type=
=3D"cite"><div>On Mar 20, 2026, at 6:33=E2=80=AFAM, Weslake1330 via Spridge=
ts <<a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"noreferrer" targe=
t=3D"_blank">spridgets@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">Hi List,<div><br></div><div>I wanted to post some thoughts on=C2=
=A0Iran, NATO and Europe that simply aren't being reported on national =
news, as far as I can tell, whose reporters seem to have no idea of analysi=
s or wider impacts.</div><div><br></div><div>The news isn't saying much=
about how much help Iran has had and continues to have from Russia and Chi=
na, the latter especially.=C2=A0 I believe that Iran is an evil regime supp=
orted (English phrase: aided and abetted) over decades by Russia and China.=
=C2=A0 I have heard that Chinese technicians aiding Iran firing missiles ha=
ve been killed.=C2=A0 So if America decides to attack Iran that's ok by=
me in a broad sense.=C2=A0 Iran with nuclear weapons would be a disaster f=
or the world.</div><div><br></div><div>NATO is about defence and its member=
ship agreement makes that clear.=C2=A0 NATO is not a force multiplier to ca=
ll upon when a member's aggression needs some backup.=C2=A0 Yes, the US=
A puts more money into NATO than any other country and arguably it has had =
the most back.=C2=A0 Europe provided the buffer for the USA against the USS=
R and I guess that was a price the USA decided was worth paying.=C2=A0 Well=
times change and the USSR not longer exists but former members are a threa=
t.=C2=A0 The flipside to the coin that isn't discussed is not whether a=
ll the NATO countries need to spend more (and a couple do) but could Americ=
a spend less?</div><div><br></div><div>America has stated that China rather=
that Russia are the real threats and attacking Iran weakens China consider=
ably though news commentators aren't saying so.=C2=A0 America seems to =
continue to be well disposed to Mr Putin and Russia and seem to ignore the =
large part of aid Russia has given to Iran.=C2=A0 Well I guess it might be =
in America's interest to say little and not state what is close to bein=
g obvious.</div><div><br></div><div>What makes no sense and is baseless cri=
ticism is to insult NATO and European countries (who get very little oil an=
d gas from Iran) for not answering a call to aid from America.=C2=A0 It is =
India, China and other eastern countries who are not going their oil from t=
he Gulf, not NATO and European countries.=C2=A0 It's also worth conside=
ring what countries are in NATO.=C2=A0 Well Canada is in NATO and so is Den=
mark (who count Greenland as part of its territory) and they have good grou=
nds for not rushing to the assistance of the USA.=C2=A0 What about the Euro=
pean countries in NATO?=C2=A0 Well they are still very focused on supportin=
g Ukraine and the Arctic where there is still Russian aggression and threat=
- something that America thinks they ought to be doing.</div><div><br></di=
v><div>It is never good sense to insult your friends and allies, or falsely=
accuse them.=C2=A0 And while you might publicly state they aren't help=
ing and are free loaders, the truth and reality is quite different.=C2=A0 H=
owever, spend enough time and energy publicly criticising them and there is=
a real risk you'll discover how much they DID do when they decide to d=
o a lot less or nothing for you in the future.=C2=A0 Google RAF Croughton a=
nd see not only how important that is to America but the controversy caused=
by a fatal road accident that made everything connected to that site unpop=
ular.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div><div><br></div><div>Daniel S</d=
iv></div>
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ord-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">=E2=80=94<br><br>Larry B. Macy, Ph.D.=
<br><a href=3D"mailto:lmacy@mac.com"; rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">l=
macy@mac.com</a><br><br><br>=E2=80=9CRemember to look up at the stars=C2=A0=
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e of what you see=C2=A0and about what makes the universe=C2=A0exist. Be cur=
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