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Re: TR6 - Tires and Tire Pressure (kinda winded)

To: Edward Hamilton <hamilton@ptd.net>
Subject: Re: TR6 - Tires and Tire Pressure (kinda winded)
From: Joe Curry <spitlist@gte.net>
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 14:33:30 -0700
Cc: DANMAS@aol.com, gernot.vonhoegen@stir.ac.uk, triumphs@Autox.Team.Net
Organization: Curry Enterprises
References: <9026e00d.35d5ed54@aol.com> <35D5F1B0.4BAD60A9@gte.net> <35D74DC6.6FAB7649@ptd.net>
Ed,
In theory, what you say is correct.  However, once you get the fridge
moving on its feet, it is far easier to keep it moving with less surface
area in contact with the floor than it is with the larger pads
underneath.  That is where the surface are detail comes into play.  The
effect of which you speak is the tendency of the thing to sink into the
floor.  More on the same point is a waterbed.  That much weight on 4
posts would surely cause the floor to collapse on those points. 
However, the weight is distributed over a wide area by the frame and
thus the floor is able to support the weight.

Regards,
Joe

Edward Hamilton wrote:
> 
> Say it ain't so....For the first time in about eighteen months I find myself 
>at odds
> with something stated by Joe.
> 
> Joe Curry wrote:
> 
> > It's really not rocket science.  If you raise the pressure to the extent
> > that the tires round the tread, you lose traction because the amount of
> > rubber on the ground is decreases.
> 
> Yes, the amount of rubber on the road and friction would decrease.  The 
>weight of
> the vehicle must now be distributed over a smaller surface area (that portion 
>of the
> tire in contact with the road).  Hence, the unit bearing pressure (traction)
> increases.  Think of it as the refrigerator in your kitchen.  Try to push 
>that puppy
> around on its four "legs".  Small surface area, high unit bearing pressures 
>and
> traction.  In order for it to slide, you have to exceed its traction 
>coefficient.
> Now, set the fridge on a piece of plywood (increasing the surface area and 
>reducing
> the unit bearing pressures) and push the plywood around.  Much easier to 
>break the
> traction and move the beast around.
> 
> Best regards,
> Ed Hamilton
> 
> >
> >
> > On the other hand, if you decrease the pressure so much that you cause
> > the sidewalls to flex, you increase the lateral movement of the car and
> > that is not helpful for handling.  You also risk rolling the tread and
> > lose traction that way.
> >
> > So the trick is to find that happy point where the pressure is right in
> > between those tow points.
> >
> > Joe Curry
> >
> > P.S. You never (as was pointed out) want to exceed the manufacturer's
> > recommended inflation pressure.  They obviously know more about their
> > tires than we do.
> >
> > DANMAS@aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > In a message dated 98-08-15 14:52:02 EDT, gernot.vonhoegen@stir.ac.uk 
>writes:
> > >
> > > > while I agree with the thread on pressures, I disagree with the
> > > >  improvement in handling due to higher tyre pressure. Typically the
> > > >  improvement is a lower pressure. Higher pressure will give you a better
> > > >  fuel economy when you drive on motorways where you don't expect much
> > > >  cornering etc. If you want better handling, you will find that dropping
> > > >  the pressure by about 5 psi below the recommendet setting will improve
> > > >  matters. However, that depends on the individual tyre make due to
> > > >  different grip and wear qualities.
> > >
> > > Gernot,
> > >
> > > I'm no expert (not even close), but according to Fred Puhn, author of the 
>book
> > > "How to Make Your Car Handle," higher pressure will improve handling. I 
>quote
> > > from the caption to figure 4, page 19:
> > >
> > > "Notice that you lose more by a small amount of underinflation than a 
>small
> > > amount of overinflation. When in doubt, increase the pressure before you 
>try
> > > decreasing it."
> > >
> > > Figure 4 is a diagram plotting grip vs pressure. Grip drops off much more
> > > sharply on the low pressure side of the curve than on the high pressure 
>side,
> > > using optimum pressure as a reference.
> > >
> > > In the few years I hung out with the SCCA showroom stock racers (as a
> > > photographer for a local TV station), I was amazed at the high pressures 
>they
> > > used - often in excess of 45 psi, all on street tires.
> > >
> > > Dan Masters,
> > > Alcoa, TN
> > >
> > > '71 TR6---------3000mile/year driver, fully restored
> > > '71 TR6---------undergoing full restoration and Ford 5.0 V8 insertion - 
>see:
> > >                     http://www.sky.net/~boballen/mg/Masters/
> > > '74 MGBGT---3000mile/year driver, original condition - slated for a V8 
>soon
> > > '68 MGBGT---organ donor for the '74
> >
> > --
> > "If you can't excel with talent, triumph with effort."
> >
> >  -- Dave Weinbaum in National Enquirer

-- 
"If you can't excel with talent, triumph with effort."

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