-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Woods <fogbros@nb.net>
To: Sumner Weisman <sweisman@gis.net>
Date: Friday, May 22, 1998 10:22 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Difficult Starting
>Sumner,
>
>The choke may be pulled out but I'll bet the jets are not dropping very far
>below the jet adjusting nuts. Take a look: are the jets at least 1/4" below
>the jet nuts with the choke out?
>
>By the way, this operation of enrichening the mixture by adding fuel has
the
>same affect as closing the butterfly. What the S.U. really lacks is an
>accelerator pump that allows the driver to add raw fuel just by pressing
the
>accelerator pedal several times.
>
>Try this on your next cold start:
>
>Turn on the key, open the bonnet, reach down between the carbs with your
>right hand a grasp the jet connecting link. Push it as far as it will go
>toward the firewall. Check to see that the jets are way, way below the jet
>nuts. With your left hand, push the button at the rear of the solenoid.
Just
>make sure the gearbox is in neutral before you try this.
>
>Don't know how long it takes for fuel in the float bowls to evaporate,
>necessitating priming, but I fired my TR3 up today after 2 months without
>priming and without a problem. Cranks about 15 seconds on a cold start.
>
>My apologies if I've stated the obvious; but it works for me.
>
>Ed Woods
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Sumner Weisman <sweisman@gis.net>
>To: fred thomas <vafred@erols.com>
>Cc: Triumphs <triumphs@autox.team.net>
>Date: Friday, May 22, 1998 7:52 PM
>Subject: Re: Fw: Difficult Starting
>
>
>>
>>Fred,
>>
>>You have been a big help to me over the past couple of months. Much
>>appreciated.
>>
>>First, what I meant about wishing the TR-3 having a real choke was that
>>most cars have a 'butterfly" that literally "chokes" off some of the air
at
>>the mouth of the carb, giving a richer mixture. Correct me if I'm wrong
>>but as far as I can see, all this one does is give it more gas. I will
>>check the float housings to see that the grose jets have only one
gasket --
>>I installed them a coupla years ago and don't recall. Also will check to
>>see that the arm is bent per your instructions. I don't believe there is
>>any gas getting in the oil, it's not diluted. Please clarify, in simple
>>terms, what you meant about the jet coming all the way down when I pull
the
>>choke out. What I don't know about carbs would fill volumes.
>>
>>The way I start the car cold is this: 1. Yes, I prime the fuel pump to
>>fill the bowls.
>>2. I pull the choke all the way out. 3. Turn it over. For a long time.
>>Finally, it tries to catch, but doesn't. Turn it over some more. Push
the
>>choke in half way. Turn it over again, and it usually starts running
after
>>a while. Big strain on battery and starting motor. I'm unhappy. The car
>>is unhappy.
>>
>>This morning I reassembled the rear brakes after replacing rear pipes and
>>all three flexible hoses. I put the woven stainless steel units in from
>>Moss. Looks great. Sometime this weekend I will get someone to pump the
>>brakes so I can bleed them, and that job is done. Then I'll start on the
>>float chambers.
>>
>>Sumner
>>
>>----------
>>> From: fred thomas <vafred@erols.com>
>>> To: Sumner Weisman <sweisman@gis.net>
>>> Subject: Re: Fw: Difficult Starting
>>> Date: Friday, May 22, 1998 8:10 PM
>>>
>>> Sumner Weisman wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Thank You to everybody that quickly answered my call for help on hard
>>> > starting. Several people asked additional questions, so here's more
>>> > information. From the comments so far I'm beginning to think the
carbs
>>> > need rebuilding.
>>> >
>>> > 1. I have installed Grose Jets in the float chambers. I bent the
float
>>arm
>>> > to the spacing called for in the instructions. (Don't recall what it
>>was.)
>>> >
>>> > 2. I know about the manual fuel pump, and have used it. No help.
>>> >
>>> > 3. I have adjusted the choke per the Bentley manual. The end of the
>>screw
>>> > is about 0.030 from the fast idle cam in the "choke off" position. (I
>>wish
>>> > the TR-3 had a real choke!)
>>> >
>>> > 4. With these additional facts, can anyone provide further advice?
>>> >
>>> > ----------
>>> > > From: Sumner Weisman <sweisman@gis.net>
>>> > > To: Triumphs <triumphs@autox.team.net>
>>> > > Subject: Difficult Starting
>>> > > Date: Friday, May 22, 1998 7:31 AM
>>> > >
>>> > > I'm going to try this question again. Last time I didn't state it
>>> > clearly,
>>> > > and some people misunderstood what I was asking.
>>> > >
>>> > > My TR3-B has always been very hard to start when the engine is cold.
>>(It
>>> > > starts immediately when the engine is hot.) If I squirt some
>>starting
>>> > > fluid into the carbs, it starts right up. Normally, I have to turn
>>it
>>> > over
>>> > > quite a lot to get it to start, and that's a strain on the starter.
>>> > Once
>>> > > I do get it started and warmed up, it runs fine -- strong engine.
>>> > >
>>> > > Here are some of the things I've done to try to improve it: Crane
>>700
>>> > > electronic ignition. Sport coil. (40,000 volts, regapped the plugs
>>to
>>> > > 0.035). New fast idle cam -- the old one was worn. Retuned carbs
>>per
>>> > the
>>> > > Bently manual. Set timing the "Moss" way, adjusting for max rpm on
>>idle,
>>> > > then backing it off 100 rpm. (I don't have a timing light). A tank
>>of
>>> > > fresh gas.
>>> > >
>>> > > I would appreciate any ideas to solve my hard starting problem.
>>Thanks!
>>> > >
>>> > > Sumner Weisman
>>> > > 62 TR-3B
>>>
>>> Sumner, you already know the problem is gas because if you spray, it
will
>>
>>> start, so the problem is where the gas from the bowls went to ?? There
>>> should only be one (1) gasket under the grose jet, when bending the
float
>>
>>> you must hold it with needle-nose pliers and bend at the very back of
the
>>
>>> float not at the pin connection on the shoulder of the float. Where this
>>> can become a problem is if the gas is washing off the piston walls, pull
>>> the dip stick and smell the oil for gas, and is the oil diluted a lot.
>>> When you say I wish the 3 had a real choke, does your car not have the
>>> manuel choke, and if yes when you pull the choke out does the jet come
>>> all the way down ?? I need to know how you start your car cold, exactly
>
>>> step by step. Have you ever primed the fuel pump before starting to fill
>>> the fuel bowls.The car should start in 1/10 of a second even cold, but
>>> not if too much gas or to little gas is going through the bowls. Let me
>>> know these couple of items and I may be of further help.
>>>
>
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