Thanks, Ed. That's very helpful. I'll try it this weekend.
Sumner
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> From: Ed Woods <fogbros@nb.net>
> To: Sumner Weisman <sweisman@gis.net>
> Subject: Re: Fw: Difficult Starting
> Date: Friday, May 22, 1998 10:22 PM
>
> Sumner,
>
> The choke may be pulled out but I'll bet the jets are not dropping very
far
> below the jet adjusting nuts. Take a look: are the jets at least 1/4"
below
> the jet nuts with the choke out?
>
> By the way, this operation of enrichening the mixture by adding fuel has
the
> same affect as closing the butterfly. What the S.U. really lacks is an
> accelerator pump that allows the driver to add raw fuel just by pressing
the
> accelerator pedal several times.
>
> Try this on your next cold start:
>
> Turn on the key, open the bonnet, reach down between the carbs with your
> right hand a grasp the jet connecting link. Push it as far as it will go
> toward the firewall. Check to see that the jets are way, way below the
jet
> nuts. With your left hand, push the button at the rear of the solenoid.
Just
> make sure the gearbox is in neutral before you try this.
>
> Don't know how long it takes for fuel in the float bowls to evaporate,
> necessitating priming, but I fired my TR3 up today after 2 months without
> priming and without a problem. Cranks about 15 seconds on a cold start.
>
> My apologies if I've stated the obvious; but it works for me.
>
> Ed Woods
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sumner Weisman <sweisman@gis.net>
> To: fred thomas <vafred@erols.com>
> Cc: Triumphs <triumphs@autox.team.net>
> Date: Friday, May 22, 1998 7:52 PM
> Subject: Re: Fw: Difficult Starting
>
>
> >
> >Fred,
> >
> >You have been a big help to me over the past couple of months. Much
> >appreciated.
> >
> >First, what I meant about wishing the TR-3 having a real choke was that
> >most cars have a 'butterfly" that literally "chokes" off some of the air
at
> >the mouth of the carb, giving a richer mixture. Correct me if I'm wrong
> >but as far as I can see, all this one does is give it more gas. I will
> >check the float housings to see that the grose jets have only one gasket
--
> >I installed them a coupla years ago and don't recall. Also will check
to
> >see that the arm is bent per your instructions. I don't believe there
is
> >any gas getting in the oil, it's not diluted. Please clarify, in simple
> >terms, what you meant about the jet coming all the way down when I pull
the
> >choke out. What I don't know about carbs would fill volumes.
> >
> >The way I start the car cold is this: 1. Yes, I prime the fuel pump to
> >fill the bowls.
> >2. I pull the choke all the way out. 3. Turn it over. For a long time.
> >Finally, it tries to catch, but doesn't. Turn it over some more. Push
the
> >choke in half way. Turn it over again, and it usually starts running
after
> >a while. Big strain on battery and starting motor. I'm unhappy. The
car
> >is unhappy.
> >
> >This morning I reassembled the rear brakes after replacing rear pipes
and
> >all three flexible hoses. I put the woven stainless steel units in from
> >Moss. Looks great. Sometime this weekend I will get someone to pump
the
> >brakes so I can bleed them, and that job is done. Then I'll start on
the
> >float chambers.
> >
> >Sumner
> >
> >----------
> >> From: fred thomas <vafred@erols.com>
> >> To: Sumner Weisman <sweisman@gis.net>
> >> Subject: Re: Fw: Difficult Starting
> >> Date: Friday, May 22, 1998 8:10 PM
> >>
> >> Sumner Weisman wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Thank You to everybody that quickly answered my call for help on
hard
> >> > starting. Several people asked additional questions, so here's more
> >> > information. From the comments so far I'm beginning to think the
carbs
> >> > need rebuilding.
> >> >
> >> > 1. I have installed Grose Jets in the float chambers. I bent the
float
> >arm
> >> > to the spacing called for in the instructions. (Don't recall what
it
> >was.)
> >> >
> >> > 2. I know about the manual fuel pump, and have used it. No help.
> >> >
> >> > 3. I have adjusted the choke per the Bentley manual. The end of the
> >screw
> >> > is about 0.030 from the fast idle cam in the "choke off" position.
(I
> >wish
> >> > the TR-3 had a real choke!)
> >> >
> >> > 4. With these additional facts, can anyone provide further advice?
> >> >
> >> > ----------
> >> > > From: Sumner Weisman <sweisman@gis.net>
> >> > > To: Triumphs <triumphs@autox.team.net>
> >> > > Subject: Difficult Starting
> >> > > Date: Friday, May 22, 1998 7:31 AM
> >> > >
> >> > > I'm going to try this question again. Last time I didn't state it
> >> > clearly,
> >> > > and some people misunderstood what I was asking.
> >> > >
> >> > > My TR3-B has always been very hard to start when the engine is
cold.
> >(It
> >> > > starts immediately when the engine is hot.) If I squirt some
> >starting
> >> > > fluid into the carbs, it starts right up. Normally, I have to
turn
> >it
> >> > over
> >> > > quite a lot to get it to start, and that's a strain on the
starter.
> >> > Once
> >> > > I do get it started and warmed up, it runs fine -- strong engine.
> >> > >
> >> > > Here are some of the things I've done to try to improve it: Crane
> >700
> >> > > electronic ignition. Sport coil. (40,000 volts, regapped the
plugs
> >to
> >> > > 0.035). New fast idle cam -- the old one was worn. Retuned carbs
> >per
> >> > the
> >> > > Bently manual. Set timing the "Moss" way, adjusting for max rpm
on
> >idle,
> >> > > then backing it off 100 rpm. (I don't have a timing light). A
tank
> >of
> >> > > fresh gas.
> >> > >
> >> > > I would appreciate any ideas to solve my hard starting problem.
> >Thanks!
> >> > >
> >> > > Sumner Weisman
> >> > > 62 TR-3B
> >>
> >> Sumner, you already know the problem is gas because if you spray, it
will
> >
> >> start, so the problem is where the gas from the bowls went to ?? There
> >> should only be one (1) gasket under the grose jet, when bending the
float
> >
> >> you must hold it with needle-nose pliers and bend at the very back of
the
> >
> >> float not at the pin connection on the shoulder of the float. Where
this
> >> can become a problem is if the gas is washing off the piston walls,
pull
> >> the dip stick and smell the oil for gas, and is the oil diluted a lot.
> >> When you say I wish the 3 had a real choke, does your car not have the
> >> manuel choke, and if yes when you pull the choke out does the jet come
> >> all the way down ?? I need to know how you start your car cold,
exactly
>
> >> step by step. Have you ever primed the fuel pump before starting to
fill
> >> the fuel bowls.The car should start in 1/10 of a second even cold, but
> >> not if too much gas or to little gas is going through the bowls. Let
me
> >> know these couple of items and I may be of further help.
> >>
>
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