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Re: Battery not overcharging

To: stiebing@flash.net, triumphs@Autox.Team.Net
Subject: Re: Battery not overcharging
From: JAMES_S_WALLACE@HP-Canada-om1.om.hp.com
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:05:03 -0500
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     Well, OK, but my question was whether a regulator from a car wouldn't 
     work. If it needs a bigger load to be within proper operating 
     parameters, an appropriate resistor in parallel with the output would 
     take care of that pretty easily. 
     "They maintain constant voltage, while lowering the amp flow." This is 
     precisely what I thought the regulator would do well, as it is 
     obviously the case that its load is highly variable. Otherwise, we'd 
     hear horror stories on the news about people's batteries exploding as 
     they drove down the road.
     So, so far, this still sounds like a good idea to me.
     Regards,
     Jim Wallace


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Subject: Re: Battery not overcharging
Author:  Non-HP-stiebing (stiebing@flash.net) at HP-USA,mimegw5
Date:    17/02/98 9:49 PM


First off, there are very few if any DC power supplies that don't have a 
transformer, rectifier and regulator.  You have described the basic 
construction of all power supplies (trust me, I've built a fewu).  The 
difference is, on a car not only is power being sent to the battery, it is 
also being drained at the same time.  The battery acts as a buffer for the 
power between the alternator and the rest of the car.  When you put the car 
on a charger it is only being sent power.  There is no drain imposed on the 
battery.  The problem that arises is what's called 'gassing off' of the 
fluids in the battery.  When the balance of power entering the battery is 
greater than that of what is leaving, the water molecules break down into 
hydrogen and oxygen.  After a while you are left with an exposed core and an 
explosive situation (long story, maybe I'll put an example on my page). 
Never the less, there are solutions.  There are a few companies that make 
chargers for storage purposes.  They maintain constant voltage, while 
lowering the amp flow.  These have shown to reduce the 'gasing off' result 
of regular chargers.  The best option is to install 'Optima' batteries.
They use a suspended electolyte and can not 'gas off'.
     
Hope this helps.
     
Alan Stiebing
'77 Spit
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/3476/
     
>     From time to time, a discussion comes up about how not to overcharge a 
>     battery that's in storage. This got me wondering: why don't they
>     overcharge while they're in use in the car? 
>
>     Which leads to: Why not build a battery charger that replicates the
>     car's charging system? One could just use a transformer and rectifier 
>     (this would be like the alternator and rectifier), followed by a
>     voltage regulator from a car. It seems to me that it would look the 
>     same to the battery.
>
>     Why not? Any (constructive) comments? 
>
>     Please respond in terms of electrons rather than molecules if
>     possible, as I'm chemically-challenged but electronically-oriented. 
>
>     Thanks,
>     Jim Wallace
>
>

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     From time to time, a discussion comes up about how not to overcharge a 
     battery that's in storage. This got me wondering: why don't they 
     overcharge while they're in use in the car?
     
     Which leads to: Why not build a battery charger that replicates the 
     car's charging system? One could just use a transformer and rectifier 
     (this would be like the alternator and rectifier), followed by a 
     voltage regulator from a car. It seems to me that it would look the 
     same to the battery.
      
     Why not? Any (constructive) comments? 
     
     Please respond in terms of electrons rather than molecules if 
     possible, as I'm chemically-challenged but electronically-oriented.
     
     Thanks,
     Jim Wallace


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