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Re: [Shop-talk] Engine swaps; 350 SBC donor cars.

To: "Ben Zwissler" <bjzwissler@gmail.com>, "'Paul Mele'"
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Engine swaps; 350 SBC donor cars.
From: "FRED E THOMAS" <frede.thomas2@verizon.net>
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 20:50:24 -0500
Now if you should register as a =Antique or  Historical"= you will by-pass 
these regulations !!!!   "FT"
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ben Zwissler" <bjzwissler@gmail.com>
To: "'Paul Mele'" <paul.mele@usermail.com>; "'John Miller'" 
<jem@milleredp.com>; <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Engine swaps; 350 SBC donor cars.


> Paul,
>
> Not sure where you are, but if in California or states with similar rules,
> you must swap an engine in that is the same or newer model year of your
> vehicle (so you've got the right idea there) and it must have "all" the
> required emissions equipment swapped with it and/or hooked up to your
> existing emissions equipment.  You have to get an inspection and approval
> letter from the appropriate agency for the swap and show that at your
> annual/biannual inspection.  You must pass the tailpipe test, but that 
> alone
> is not sufficient to comply.  Before you finalize your choice, you may 
> want
> to talk with the inspection folks to see what all they'll require.
>
>
> Ben Zwissler
> bjzwissler@gmail.com
> Columbus, IN
> 1966 TR-4A IRS
> 1973 MG Midget
> 1980 TR-8
> 2003 Honda ST1300
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net
> [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul Mele
> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 6:43 AM
> To: 'John Miller'; shop-talk@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Engine swaps; 350 SBC donor cars.
>
>
> Thanks for the thoughts.  I'm not married to the SBC, but the cost of the
> LS1 may be too much. again, my plan is to buy a (crashed/ugly) donor
> car...if it only comes in a 'vette, I don't think it will be 
> cost-effective.
>
> what cars would have the suitable engine(s).
>
> re: smog
>
> we do have testing; the 86 body would only require minimum specs. the 
> newer
> donor car would easily meet them, I suspect.
>
> PM
>
>
>> I've acquired an 87 V12 jag coupe.  I know that the V12 isn't a good
> engine;
>> it has a GM TH350 behind it.
>
> Gonna venture a few opinions though I'm no expert on the subject...I
> thought the Jag V12s got the Turbo 400.
>
>> I'm looking for any ideas on the swap, but particularly a good idea
>> for donor cars 5-10 yrs old that I could use to source the engine,
>> trans and wiring harness (...no warm beer for me).
>
> The best choice engine-wise, of course, would be a fairly recent
> LS1/LS2, but I'm not sure how far the kit guys have gotten with the
> LSn-series motors.
>
>> the Jag's V12 is about 285 HP/ 295 ft-lbs, and also weighs around 4000
>> lbs with the V12.  I don't see any weight listed for the V12 engine,
>> but I'd guess it 100-200 lbs heavier than the SBC.
>
> No, the Jag V12 is a 60-degree aluminum motor and not all that heavy.
> About as heavy as an iron SBC, I think.  A bit heavier than the LS1/LS2.
>
>> So, who has some ideas on 350 SBC-equipped production cars with
>> ratings similar to above, and a 4-speed auto/ OD trans?
>
> Any LS1/LS2 you can find will beat those numbers by quite a lot.
>
> Do you live anywhere that smog legality matters?
>
> John.
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