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Subject: pouring a new concrete garage floor
From: Mark Andy <mark@sccaprepared.com>
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:48:46 -0400 (EDT)
Howdy,

I need to pour a new garage floor over the top of my current garage floor.  
I'd love to talk to someone that actually knew something about this 
stuff... I'm a rank novice.

Details:

I have an existing 22'x22' garage that has a cement floor. That floor is 
unlevel, cracked, and on the order of 4" or so lower than the driveway 
leading up to it. Consequently, when it rains enough, the water leaks 
into the garage, to the tune of about 5" or 6" deep. As the garage is 
attached, the water then proceeds down into the basement. It also isn't 
so hot for tools and such in the garage...

What I want to do is pour a new floor on top of the existing floor, 
raising it up around 4" to 6" or so. That'll require raising the two 
garage doors and one of the man doors, but that's all stuff I know how to 
do.

I'm not sure of a bunch of things, including...

* Can I just pour concrete over the existing concrete? No point should be 
thinner than 4"...

* 6" is, as I understand it, pretty darned thick for a regular garage 
floor. If I need areas to be this deep, should I put down sand first?  
After talking with the concrete folks, looks like 9.5 yards (22'x22'x6") 
would be around $712 at $75/yard.  6.5 yards (4" thick) would be $487.  
How much is it likely to cost to get 3 yards of sand/gravel or whatever?  
How much of a pain is prepping the sand/gravel?

* How should I go about "screeding" (I think that's what its called) the 
cement, since I'm pouring the floor inside a building? In case I'm using 
the wrong word, I mean "how do I level the concrete out so that I have a 
flat/smooth floor?"

* I'm not sure what to do about drainage, but am leaning toward sloping 
the floor slightly toward the garage doors. If I do this, how much slope 
is enough? I don't know if I can install a floor drain, since I don't 
really have anywhere to take the water from the drain... If I do slope 
the floor toward the doors, should I just build up the 'non-door' area at 
the front of the garage? I.e. I don't want water pooling up against the 
wall in between the two garage doors, etc...

* One of the concrete places mentioned it'd be another $5/yard for 
fiber... Apparently you can have the fiber inserted into the mix rather 
than using rebar or mesh?  Is one method better than the other from a 
strength standpoint?  How about from a finishing standpoint?

* Apparently this is all standard garage concrete...  One place called it 
"six bag" concrete and said it was about 4000 psi concrete... Is this 
anything to worry about or will whatever type of concrete they show up 
with be what I need?

And, there are probably about a billion other things I don't know enough 
to ask yet... :-)

Thanks for any pointers!

Mark






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