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Subject:	Re: [Zmagnette] Stub stacks <zmagnette@autox.team.net> <zmagnette.autox.team.net>
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Gene, I'm talking about the "stub" stacks - so designed as to fit inside =
the filters. =20

Kelvin, Do your comments apply to the "adaptor plates" (illustration #54 =
in the Moss catalogue  =
http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=3D28996#top)=
?

Allen
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On Nov 15, 2013, at 10:26 AM, Gene deRuelle wrote:

> If you run the little stacks, aren't you subjecting the fuel/air =
mixture to whatever is IN the air?  In other words, you can't run the =
stacks and an air cleaner, can you?
> =20
> Gene D
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Anderson
> To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
> Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 6:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Stub stacks
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> I respectfully disagree that more air =3D more noise by default. =
"Noise" to a mechanical engineer (or most any engineer) is an =
undesireable by-product of inefficiency, i.e. whatever is causing the =
noise is sapping energy from whatever the machine is supposed to do =
(unless it's job is to make noise). Having said that, stub stacks should =
reduce noise -all else being the same - because the efficiency of the =
system is increased.
>=20
> To that end, Allen opens up the issue of Bernoulli. In our carbs =
Bernoulli is working hard for us at the piston/bridge, not the inlet =
throat. Without some kind of "stack" Bernoulli is screwing with us at =
the carb inlet as the "apparent" inlet diameter gets smaller due to the =
air having to make a hard 90-degreee turn... turbulence is also =
introduced before the piston/bridge which is not a happy thing for nice =
even fuel induction.
>=20
> Those two reasons are what makes the mixture "change" when you put a =
stack on. Not more air, per se, but quality of air flow.=20
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> Mike!
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> Michael Anderson
> One of a Kind Stuff/AEU
> 775 772-2056
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> From: Wayne & Isabel Hardy <gwhardy@suddenlink.net>
> To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America =
<zmagnette@autox.team.net>=20
> Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 1:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Stub stacks
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> If the carbs are tuned again to compensate for more air to the inlet, =
then more power should always be the result. If more power is =93Better=94=
, then the answer is yes. But you must adjust for more airflow to get a =
more better running motor..ie more air will need more fuel too if a =
result is to be more power. Maybe a new, slightly richer needle is the =
ticket to heaven. I know the K&N filter people caution that their =
filters flow so much more air than the usual paper ones, that a richer =
needle, or jet, or slight enrichment adjustment may be desirable for =
best running.
> Of course all this extra air flow is also likely to create more inlet =
roar under acceleration. Is that =93Better=94 or not???
> I personally run the MGA cleaner assemblies rather than the Magnette =
one for better access to the carb adjustment screws for keeping up with =
summer 100 degree days now swinging to winter 50 - 60 degree days and =
the resultant changes in idle speeds due to cooler, denser air, and the =
need to richen the mix by about 1/8th of a turn.
> MG put on the big old ugly oil bath filter for better engine life in a =
variety of dirty dusty operating situations around the world, and for =
more civilized operation in a quieter manner. Their true race motors ran =
with velocity stacks and no filters usually.
> =20
> Wombat
> =20
> From: Allen Bachelder
> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:21 PM
> To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
> Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Stub stacks
> =20
> I'm cautiously venturing beyond my paygrade here, but are we not =
talking about the Bernoulli Principle: stating that as air enters a =
conical tube the air pressure is maximized, but as the tube diameter =
conically diminishes, air pressure decreases as air speed increases =
inside the carb.  Without a conical stub stack, there is no acceleration =
in the air entering the carb inlet.  How much lift would we get from a =
cross-sectionally flat airplane wing-top with a squared-off leading =
edge?
> =20
> That being said, how can the original Magnette intake plenum perform =
any of this function? Same question for the intake plenums on T-series =
cars. I would think they would be Bernoullian disasters.  Would a =
Magnette engine always run better with stub stacks rather than the =
original plenum?
> =20
> Curious in Michigan.
> =20
> (Allen)
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> Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
> '57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
> North Street, MI 48049, USA
> http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs
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> =20
> On Nov 13, 2013, at 7:33 PM, John Park wrote:
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>> Depending on length it can produce a much smoother flow, some say a =
bit of a ram effect which increases power and torque . Longer stacks as =
in longer runners means more torque while shorter ones mean more power.  =
Not lots, but it all contributes to a freer flowing intake which helps =
your freer flowing exhaust to make a bit more power/torque and slightly =
better fuel economy.  You note vintage racers usually have anywhere =
from2.5 to 6 inch stacks. Some with a stocking for a coarse filter, most =
just hoping nothing of consequence enters the throat=85 I have a set of =
2.25 inch stacks in my 3.25 inch K&N=92s on my MGB and they seem to =
help. Just the ho hum stock setup on my Magnette.
>> =20
>> From: zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net =
[mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Richard Greenberg
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 12:34 PM
>> To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
>> Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Stub stacks
>> =20
>> What is a stub stack? Would it allow for a filter that lies closer to =
the engine than a regular pancake filter?
>> =20
>> On Nov 13, 2013, at 9:53 AM, Allen Bachelder wrote:
>>=20
>>=20
>> I've always just used the item #54 from the Moss catalog: =
http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=3D28996#top =
 Are these from APT or Rimmer better?
>> =20
>> Always anxious to learn...
>> Allen
>> ****************************************************************
>> Allen & Florrie Bachelder       =3Diii=3D<
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>> '57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
>> North Street, MI 48049, USA
>> http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs
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>> =20
>> On Nov 13, 2013, at 4:10 AM, monster@caverock.net.nz wrote:
>>=20
>>=20
>> Hi everyone,
>>=20
>> I'd like to get a pair of 1.5" H4 stub stacks and I've tried emailing =
Steve Ash several times to see if he would make some more, but I haven't =
got an answer from him.
>>=20
>> So... from a light scour of the internet there appears to be two =
types available at a reasonable cost:
>> $32.50 ea =
-http://www.aptfast.com/ShowItem/101221%20Billet%20Alloy%20Stub%20Stack%20=
SU%20HS4.aspx
>> $57 pair - http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/Item--i-RL1396ALT
>>=20
>> I've excluded the K&N ones as they are very rough, by all accounts.
>> Are there any others that people would recommend?
>>=20
>> They're going to fit inside K&N filters that are 2 1/8" thick.
>>=20
>> regards,
>> --=20
>> Robert (in NZ)
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<br><div><div>On Nov 15, 2013, at 10:26 AM, Gene deRuelle =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: =
separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: =
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auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div =
bgcolor=3D"#ffffff"><div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">If you run the =
little stacks, aren't you subjecting the fuel/air mixture to whatever is =
IN the air?&nbsp; In other words, you can't run the stacks and an air =
cleaner, can you?</font></div><div><font size=3D"2" =
face=3D"Arial"></font>&nbsp;</div><div><font size=3D"2" =
face=3D"Arial">Gene D</font></div><blockquote style=3D"border-left-color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; =
padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 0px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: =
0px; "><div style=3D"font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; =
">----- Original Message -----</div><div style=3D"font: normal normal =
normal 10pt/normal arial; background-image: initial; =
background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; =
background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); =
background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial =
initial; "><b>From:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
title=3D"mjamgb@sbcglobal.net" =
href=3D"mailto:mjamgb@sbcglobal.net";>Michael Anderson</a></div><div =
style=3D"font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
title=3D"zmagnette@autox.team.net" =
href=3D"mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net";>List for the Z Magnette Group - =
North America</a></div><div style=3D"font: normal normal normal =
10pt/normal arial; "><b>Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Friday, November 15, 2013 =
6:58 AM</div><div style=3D"font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; =
"><b>Subject:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: =
[Zmagnette] Stub stacks</div><div><br></div><div =
style=3D"background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: 'times new =
roman', 'new york', times, serif; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12pt; =
">I respectfully disagree that more air =3D more noise by default. =
"Noise" to a mechanical engineer (or most any engineer) is an =
undesireable by-product of inefficiency, i.e. whatever is causing the =
noise is sapping energy from whatever the machine is supposed to do =
(unless it's job is to make noise). Having said that, stub stacks should =
reduce noise -all else being the same - because the efficiency of the =
system is increased.<br><div><span><br></span></div><div>To that end, =
Allen opens up the issue of Bernoulli. In our carbs Bernoulli is working =
hard for us at the piston/bridge, not the inlet throat. Without some =
kind of "stack" Bernoulli is screwing with us at the carb inlet as the =
"apparent" inlet diameter gets smaller due to the air having to make a =
hard 90-degreee turn... turbulence is also introduced before the =
piston/bridge which is not a happy thing for nice even fuel =
induction.<br><br>Those two reasons are what makes the mixture "change" =
when you put a stack on. Not more air, per se, but quality of air =
flow.<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br></div><div><br>Mike!</div=
><div><br><br></div><div>Michael Anderson<br>One of a Kind =
Stuff/AEU<br>775 772-2056</div><br><div style=3D"font-family: 'times new =
roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><div =
style=3D"font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; =
font-size: 12pt; "><div dir=3D"ltr"><hr size=3D"1"><font size=3D"2" =
face=3D"Arial"><b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold; =
">From:</span></b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Wayne=
 &amp; Isabel Hardy &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:gwhardy@suddenlink.net";>gwhardy@suddenlink.net</a>&gt;<br><=
b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold; ">To:</span></b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>List for the Z Magnette =
Group - North America &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net";>zmagnette@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<=
span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br><b><span =
style=3D"font-weight: bold; ">Sent:</span></b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Friday, November 15, 2013 =
1:19 AM<br><b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold; =
">Subject:</span></b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [Zmagnette] Stub =
stacks<br></font></div><div class=3D"y_msg_container"><br><div =
id=3D"yiv1013556227"><base><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div =
style=3D"font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 14pt; =
"><div><font size=3D"4">If the carbs are tuned again to compensate for =
more air to the inlet, then more power should always be the result. If =
more power is =93Better=94, then the answer is yes. But you must adjust =
for more airflow to get a more better running motor..ie more air will =
need more fuel too if a result is to be more power. Maybe a new, =
slightly richer needle is the ticket to heaven. I know the K&amp;N =
filter people caution that their filters flow so much more air than the =
usual paper ones, that a richer needle, or jet, or slight enrichment =
adjustment may be desirable for best running.</font></div><div><font =
size=3D"4">Of course all this extra air flow is also likely to create =
more inlet roar under acceleration. Is that =93Better=94 or =
not???</font></div><div><font size=3D"4">I personally run the MGA =
cleaner assemblies rather than the Magnette one for better access to the =
carb adjustment screws for keeping up with summer 100 degree days now =
swinging to winter 50 - 60 degree days and the resultant changes in idle =
speeds due to cooler, denser air, and the need to richen the mix by =
about 1/8th of a turn.</font></div><div><font size=3D"4">MG put on the =
big old ugly oil bath filter for better engine life in a variety of =
dirty dusty operating situations around the world, and for more =
civilized operation in a quieter manner. Their true race motors ran with =
velocity stacks and no filters usually.</font></div><div><font =
size=3D"4"></font>&nbsp;</div><div><font =
size=3D"4">Wombat</font></div><div style=3D"font-style: normal; display: =
inline; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: small; =
font-weight: normal; text-decoration: none; "><div style=3D"font: normal =
normal normal 10pt/normal tahoma; "><div>&nbsp;</div><div =
style=3D"background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; =
background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: =
rgb(245, 245, 245); background-position: initial initial; =
background-repeat: initial initial; "><div><b>From:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
title=3D"bachldrs@comcast.net" href=3D"mailto:bachldrs@comcast.net"; =
rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" =
ymailto=3D"mailto:bachldrs@comcast.net";>Allen =
Bachelder</a></div><div><b>Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Thursday, November 14, 2013 =
10:21 PM</div><div><b>To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
title=3D"zmagnette@autox.team.net" =
href=3D"mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"nofollow" =
target=3D"_blank" ymailto=3D"mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net";>List for =
the Z Magnette Group - North America</a></div><div><b>Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [Zmagnette] Stub =
stacks</div></div></div><div>&nbsp;</div></div><div style=3D"font-style: =
normal; display: inline; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
font-size: small; font-weight: normal; text-decoration: none; ">I'm =
cautiously venturing beyond my paygrade here, but are we not talking =
about the Bernoulli Principle: stating that as air enters a conical tube =
the air pressure is maximized, but as the tube diameter conically =
diminishes, air pressure decreases as air speed increases inside the =
carb.&nbsp; Without a conical stub stack, there is no acceleration in =
the air entering the carb inlet.&nbsp; How much lift would we get from a =
cross-sectionally flat airplane wing-top with a squared-off leading =
edge?<div>&nbsp;</div><div>That being said, how can the original =
Magnette intake plenum perform any of this function? Same question for =
the intake plenums on T-series cars. I would think they would be =
Bernoullian disasters.&nbsp; Would a Magnette engine always run better =
with stub stacks rather than the original =
plenum?</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Curious in =
Michigan.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>(Allen)</div><div><div><span =
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font-weight: normal; "><b><i>Allen &amp; Florrie =
Bachelder&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =3Diii=3D&lt;<br>Spring =
Creek Home for Wayward MGs</i></b></div><div style=3D"font-style: =
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pan></div></span></span></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div><div>On Nov 13, =
2013, at 7:33 PM, John Park wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"yiv1013556227Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><span class=3D"yiv1013556227Apple-style-span" =
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">Depending on length it can produce a much smoother flow, some say a =
bit of a ram effect which increases power and torque . Longer stacks as =
in longer runners means more torque while shorter ones mean more =
power.&nbsp; Not lots, but it all contributes to a freer flowing intake =
which helps your freer flowing exhaust to make a bit more power/torque =
and slightly better fuel economy.&nbsp; You note vintage racers usually =
have anywhere from2.5 to 6 inch stacks. Some with a stocking for a =
coarse filter, most just hoping nothing of consequence enters the =
throat=85 I have a set of 2.25 inch stacks in my 3.25 inch K&amp;N=92s =
on my MGB and they seem to help. Just the ho hum stock setup on my =
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target=3D"_blank" ymailto=3D"mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net"; =
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">zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net</a><span =
class=3D"yiv1013556227Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>[mailto:zmagnett=
e-bounces@autox.team.net]<span =
class=3D"yiv1013556227Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><b>On Behalf =
Of<span =
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Greenberg<br><b>Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"yiv1013556227Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Wednesday, =
November 13, 2013 12:34 PM<br><b>To:</b><span =
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Magnette Group - North America<br><b>Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"yiv1013556227Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: =
[Zmagnette] Stub stacks</span></div></div></div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
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font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; =
">&nbsp;</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; font-size: 12pt; ">What is a stub stack? Would it allow for a =
filter that lies closer to the engine than a regular pancake =
filter?</div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; font-size: 12pt; ">&nbsp;</div><div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; ">On Nov 13, =
2013, at 9:53 AM, Allen Bachelder wrote:</div></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; =
margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: =
12pt; "><br><br></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top: 5pt; =
margin-bottom: 5pt; "><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: =
0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; ">I've always just used the item #54 =
from the Moss catalog:<span =
class=3D"yiv1013556227Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=3D28=
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">http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=3D28996#to=
p</a><span class=3D"yiv1013556227Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><span=
 class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Are these from APT or =
Rimmer better?</div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: =
0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; ">&nbsp;</div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; =
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12pt; ">Always anxious to learn...</div></div><div><div =
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an class=3D"yiv1013556227apple-style-span"><span style=3D"font-size: =
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serif; font-size: 12pt; ">&nbsp;</div><div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
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font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; ">On Nov 13, =
2013, at 4:10 AM,<span =
class=3D"yiv1013556227Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:monster@caverock.net.nz"; rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank"=
 ymailto=3D"mailto:monster@caverock.net.nz"; style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline; ">monster@caverock.net.nz</a><span =
class=3D"yiv1013556227Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>wrote:</div></di=
v><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; =
margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: =
12pt; "><br><br></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top: 5pt; =
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style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; =
margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: =
12pt; ">Hi everyone,<br><br>I'd like to get a pair of 1.5" H4 stub =
stacks and I've tried emailing Steve Ash several times to see if he =
would make some more, but I haven't got an answer from him.<br><br>So... =
from a light scour of the internet there appears to be two types =
available at a reasonable cost:<br>$32.50 ea -<a =
href=3D"http://www.aptfast.com/ShowItem/101221%20Billet%20Alloy%20Stub%20S=
tack%20SU%20HS4.aspx" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"color: =
blue; text-decoration: underline; =
">http://www.aptfast.com/ShowItem/101221%20Billet%20Alloy%20Stub%20Stack%2=
0SU%20HS4.aspx</a><br>$57 pair -<span =
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href=3D"http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/Item--i-RL1396ALT"; rel=3D"nofollow" =
target=3D"_blank" style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline; =
">http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/Item--i-RL1396ALT</a><br><br>I've excluded =
the K&amp;N ones as they are very rough, by all accounts.<br>Are there =
any others that people would recommend?<br><br>They're going to fit =
inside K&amp;N filters that are 2 1/8" thick.<br><br>regards,<br>--<span =
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