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If the carbs are tuned again to compensate for more air to the inlet, =
then more power should always be the result. If more power is =
=93Better=94, then the answer is yes. But you must adjust for more =
airflow to get a more better running motor..ie more air will need more =
fuel too if a result is to be more power. Maybe a new, slightly richer =
needle is the ticket to heaven. I know the K&N filter people caution =
that their filters flow so much more air than the usual paper ones, that =
a richer needle, or jet, or slight enrichment adjustment may be =
desirable for best running.
Of course all this extra air flow is also likely to create more inlet =
roar under acceleration. Is that =93Better=94 or not???
I personally run the MGA cleaner assemblies rather than the Magnette one =
for better access to the carb adjustment screws for keeping up with =
summer 100 degree days now swinging to winter 50 - 60 degree days and =
the resultant changes in idle speeds due to cooler, denser air, and the =
need to richen the mix by about 1/8th of a turn.
MG put on the big old ugly oil bath filter for better engine life in a =
variety of dirty dusty operating situations around the world, and for =
more civilized operation in a quieter manner. Their true race motors ran =
with velocity stacks and no filters usually.

Wombat

From: Allen Bachelder=20
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:21 PM
To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America=20
Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Stub stacks

I'm cautiously venturing beyond my paygrade here, but are we not talking =
about the Bernoulli Principle: stating that as air enters a conical tube =
the air pressure is maximized, but as the tube diameter conically =
diminishes, air pressure decreases as air speed increases inside the =
carb.  Without a conical stub stack, there is no acceleration in the air =
entering the carb inlet.  How much lift would we get from a =
cross-sectionally flat airplane wing-top with a squared-off leading =
edge?=20

That being said, how can the original Magnette intake plenum perform any =
of this function? Same question for the intake plenums on T-series cars. =
I would think they would be Bernoullian disasters.  Would a Magnette =
engine always run better with stub stacks rather than the original =
plenum?

Curious in Michigan.

(Allen)
****************************************************************=20
Allen & Florrie Bachelder       =3Diii=3D<
Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
'57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
North Street, MI 48049, USA
http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs=20
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On Nov 13, 2013, at 7:33 PM, John Park wrote:


  Depending on length it can produce a much smoother flow, some say a =
bit of a ram effect which increases power and torque . Longer stacks as =
in longer runners means more torque while shorter ones mean more power.  =
Not lots, but it all contributes to a freer flowing intake which helps =
your freer flowing exhaust to make a bit more power/torque and slightly =
better fuel economy.  You note vintage racers usually have anywhere =
from2.5 to 6 inch stacks. Some with a stocking for a coarse filter, most =
just hoping nothing of consequence enters the throat=85 I have a set of =
2.25 inch stacks in my 3.25 inch K&N=92s on my MGB and they seem to =
help. Just the ho hum stock setup on my Magnette.
  =20
  From: zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net =
[mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Richard Greenberg
  Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 12:34 PM
  To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
  Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Stub stacks
  =20
  What is a stub stack? Would it allow for a filter that lies closer to =
the engine than a regular pancake filter?
  =20
  On Nov 13, 2013, at 9:53 AM, Allen Bachelder wrote:



    I've always just used the item #54 from the Moss catalog: =
http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=3D28996#top=
  Are these from APT or Rimmer better?
    =20
    Always anxious to learn...
    Allen
    ****************************************************************
    Allen & Florrie Bachelder       =3Diii=3D<
    Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
    '57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
    North Street, MI 48049, USA
    http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs
    ****************************************************************
    =20
    On Nov 13, 2013, at 4:10 AM, monster@caverock.net.nz wrote:



      Hi everyone,

      I'd like to get a pair of 1.5" H4 stub stacks and I've tried =
emailing Steve Ash several times to see if he would make some more, but =
I haven't got an answer from him.

      So... from a light scour of the internet there appears to be two =
types available at a reasonable cost:
      $32.50 ea =
-http://www.aptfast.com/ShowItem/101221%20Billet%20Alloy%20Stub%20Stack%2=
0SU%20HS4.aspx
      $57 pair - http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/Item--i-RL1396ALT

      I've excluded the K&N ones as they are very rough, by all =
accounts.
      Are there any others that people would recommend?

      They're going to fit inside K&N filters that are 2 1/8" thick.

      regards,
      --=20
      Robert (in NZ)
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<DIV><FONT size=3D4>If the carbs are tuned again to compensate for more =
air to the=20
inlet, then more power should always be the result. If more power is =
=93Better=94,=20
then the answer is yes. But you must adjust for more airflow to get a =
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better running motor..ie more air will need more fuel too if a result is =
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more power. Maybe a new, slightly richer needle is the ticket to heaven. =
I know=20
the K&amp;N filter people caution that their filters flow so much more =
air than=20
the usual paper ones, that a richer needle, or jet, or slight enrichment =

adjustment may be desirable for best running.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4>Of course all this extra air flow is also likely to =
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more inlet roar under acceleration. Is that =93Better=94 or =
not???</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4>I personally run the MGA cleaner assemblies rather =
than the=20
Magnette one for better access to the carb adjustment screws for keeping =
up with=20
summer 100 degree days now swinging to winter 50 - 60 degree days and =
the=20
resultant changes in idle speeds due to cooler, denser air, and the need =
to=20
richen the mix by about 1/8th of a turn.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4>MG put on the big old ugly oil bath filter for =
better engine=20
life in a variety of dirty dusty operating situations around the world, =
and for=20
more civilized operation in a quieter manner. Their true race motors ran =
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velocity stacks and no filters usually.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D4>Wombat</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:21 PM</DIV>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Zmagnette] Stub stacks</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV>
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cautiously venturing beyond my paygrade here, but are we not talking =
about the=20
Bernoulli Principle: stating that as air enters a conical tube the air =
pressure=20
is maximized, but as the tube diameter conically diminishes, air =
pressure=20
decreases as air speed increases inside the carb.&nbsp; Without a =
conical stub=20
stack, there is no acceleration in the air entering the carb =
inlet.&nbsp; How=20
much lift would we get from a cross-sectionally flat airplane wing-top =
with a=20
squared-off leading edge?=20
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<DIV>That being said, how can the original Magnette intake plenum =
perform any of=20
this function? Same question for the intake plenums on T-series cars. I =
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<DIV>Curious in Michigan.</DIV>
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<DIV>On Nov 13, 2013, at 7:33 PM, John Park wrote:</DIV><BR=20
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MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: =
rgb(31,73,125)">Depending=20
  on length it can produce a much smoother flow, some say a bit of a ram =
effect=20
  which increases power and torque . Longer stacks as in longer runners =
means=20
  more torque while shorter ones mean more power.&nbsp; Not lots, but it =
all=20
  contributes to a freer flowing intake which helps your freer flowing =
exhaust=20
  to make a bit more power/torque and slightly better fuel =
economy.&nbsp; You=20
  note vintage racers usually have anywhere from2.5 to 6 inch stacks. =
Some with=20
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consequence enters=20
  the throat=85 I have a set of 2.25 inch stacks in my 3.25 inch =
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sans-serif">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN=20
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  class=3DApple-converted-space>&nbsp;</SPAN><A=20
  style=3D"COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline"=20
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href=3D"mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net";>zmagnette-bounces@autox.=
team.net</A><SPAN=20
  =
class=3DApple-converted-space>&nbsp;</SPAN>[mailto:zmagnette-bounces@auto=
x.team.net]<SPAN=20
  class=3DApple-converted-space>&nbsp;</SPAN><B>On Behalf Of<SPAN=20
  class=3DApple-converted-space>&nbsp;</SPAN></B>Richard=20
  Greenberg<BR><B>Sent:</B><SPAN=20
  class=3DApple-converted-space>&nbsp;</SPAN>Wednesday, November 13, =
2013 12:34=20
  PM<BR><B>To:</B><SPAN class=3DApple-converted-space>&nbsp;</SPAN>List =
for the Z=20
  Magnette Group - North America<BR><B>Subject:</B><SPAN=20
  class=3DApple-converted-space>&nbsp;</SPAN>Re: [Zmagnette] Stub=20
  stacks<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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