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To: zmagnette@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Stub stacks <zmagnette@autox.team.net> <zmagnette.autox.team.net>
From: LannM@aol.com
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 09:56:23 -0500 (EST)
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Allen:
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I'm sure someone will give a more technical answer.  But.
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The Bernoulli Principle takes place inside the carb, at the bridge where =
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the jet comes through and works as you describe.
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decreases the amount of air that can get in.  The stub stack (velocity  hor=
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trumpet, etc) smoothes out the air flow and allows more air to  enter.
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bachldrs@comcast.net writes:

I'm  cautiously venturing beyond my paygrade here, but are we not talking=
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air  pressure is maximized, but as the tube diameter conically diminishes,=
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air  pressure decreases as air speed increases inside the carb.  Without a =
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conical stub stack, there is no acceleration in the air entering the carb =
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inlet.  How much lift would we get from a cross-sectionally flat airplane =
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That being said, how can the original Magnette intake plenum perform any =
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of this function? Same question for the intake plenums on T-series cars. I =
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would think they would be Bernoullian disasters.  Would a Magnette engine =
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always run better with stub stacks rather than the original plenum?


Curious in Michigan.


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On Nov 13, 2013, at 7:33 PM, John Park wrote:



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Depending  on length it can produce a much smoother flow, some say a bit of=
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a ram  effect which increases power and torque . Longer stacks as in longer=
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runners  means more torque while shorter ones mean more power.  Not lots,=
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but it  all contributes to a freer flowing intake which helps your freer=20
flowing  exhaust to make a bit more power/torque and slightly better fuel =
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economy.  You note vintage racers usually have anywhere from2.5 to 6  inch=
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stacks. Some with a stocking for a coarse filter, most just hoping  nothing=
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consequence enters the throat=E2=80=A6 I have a set of 2.25 inch stacks  in=
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inch K&N=E2=80=99s on my MGB and they seem to help. Just the ho hum  stock =
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(mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net)  [mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.=
team.net] On Behalf Of Richard =20
Greenberg
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 12:34  PM
To: List for the  Z Magnette Group - North America
Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Stub  stacks


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What  is a stub stack? Would it allow for a filter that lies closer to the=
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On  Nov 13, 2013, at 9:53 AM, Allen Bachelder wrote:






I've  always just used the item #54 from the Moss catalog:=20
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On  Nov 13, 2013, at 4:10 AM, _monster@caverock.net.nz_=20
(mailto:monster@caverock.net.nz)  wrote:






Hi everyone,

I'd like to get a pair of 1.5" H4  stub stacks and I've tried emailing=20
Steve Ash several times to see if he  would make some more, but I haven't g=
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available at a reasonable cost:
$32.50 ea=20
-http://www.aptfast.com/ShowItem/101221%20Billet%20Alloy%20Stub%20Stack%20S=
U%20HS4.aspx
$57  pair - http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/Item--i-RL1396ALT

I've  excluded the K&N ones as they are very rough, by all  accounts.
Are there any others that people would  recommend?

They're going to fit inside K&N filters that are 2  1/8" thick.

regards,
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<DIV>Allen:</DIV>
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<DIV>I'm sure someone will give a more technical answer.&nbsp; But.</DIV>
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<DIV>The Bernoulli Principle takes place inside the carb, at the bridge whe=
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the jet comes through and works as you describe.</DIV>
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<DIV>The sharp edge at the entrance to the carb causes turbulence which=20
decreases the amount of air that can get in.&nbsp; The stub stack (velocity=
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horn, trumpet, etc) smoothes out the air flow and allows more air to=20
enter.</DIV>
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<DIV>Lann</DIV>
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NT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN=20
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SIZE: 11pt">Depending=20
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=20
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nners=20
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ut it=20
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g=20
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    economy.&nbsp; You note vintage racers usually have anywhere from2.5 to=
 6=20
    inch stacks. Some with a stocking for a coarse filter, most just hoping=
=20
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inch stacks=20
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 the ho hum=20
    stock setup on my Magnette.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
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TYLE: none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-LEFT-STYLE: none;=
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    style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">From:</SPAN=
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    class=3DApple-converted-space>&nbsp;</SPAN><A=20
    style=3D"COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline"=20
    title=3Dmailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net=20
    href=3D"mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net";>zmagnette-bounces@auto=
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    class=3DApple-converted-space>&nbsp;</SPAN>[mailto:zmagnette-bounces@au=
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    class=3DApple-converted-space>&nbsp;</SPAN><B>On Behalf Of<SPAN=20
    class=3DApple-converted-space>&nbsp;</SPAN></B>Richard=20
    Greenberg<BR><B>Sent:</B><SPAN=20
    class=3DApple-converted-space>&nbsp;</SPAN>Wednesday, November 13, 2013=
 12:34=20
    PM<BR><B>To:</B><SPAN class=3DApple-converted-space>&nbsp;</SPAN>List f=
or the=20
    Z Magnette Group - North America<BR><B>Subject:</B><SPAN=20
    class=3DApple-converted-space>&nbsp;</SPAN>Re: [Zmagnette] Stub=20
    stacks<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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NT-SIZE: 12pt">What=20
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gine=20
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