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Re[2]: 1600 vs 2000 (was: I'm sold!)

To: sandhoff@csus.edu, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net,
Subject: Re[2]: 1600 vs 2000 (was: I'm sold!)
From: Fred_Katz@ci.sf.ca.us
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 13:26:14 -0700
Richard,
You are very lucky. I have also had my 2000 for 30 years, but had two chain 
failures (and a 5-speed failure). Once I left my 2000 at a shop to have new 
tires mounted. With explicit instructions not to race the engine or abuse 
the car. When I came back they said my engine wouldn't start. Popped the 
hood only to find holes in the valve cover and the timing chain cover - 
they were obviously playing with the roadster, drag-racing it around the 
shop. Cost me a bundle to get it fixed, and the tire store refused my 
claims for reimbursement. I was young and couldn't afford a lawyer. After 
that experience I bring in rims/mags for new tires and mount them on the 
car myself.

Maybe you can baby your car, but don't think anyone else will! And if a 
2000 busts it costs so much more than a 1600.

I've got both 1600's and 2000's. I feel confident in using my 1600 in any 
rough situation, knowing that it will take abuse and keep on ticking. I've 
used the 1600 as a daily driver, and put many thousands of miles on it. Not 
so with the 2000, it's a weekend driver only.

Fred - So.SF

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Subject: Re: 1600 vs 2000 (was: I'm sold!)
Author:  "Richard Rudden" <sequoia12@hotmail.com>
Date:    4/13/2001 12:28 PM


Ouch John...
     
I've had my 2000 for 31 years, 146,000 miles and the only reason it's down 
now is due to really poor machine work causing a valve seat to part company 
with the head... Maybe I've been lucky, I've not had a catastrophic chain 
failure.
     
Actually you do make some very good points, pretty much sums up the 
different character of the 2 cars. Both do require TLC, both are a whole lot 
o' fun! I suppose it gets down to what you want out of the car and which 
pleases the seat of your pants most.
     
Richard R
'69 2000
     
----Original Message Follows----
From: "John F Sandhoff" <sandhoff@csus.edu> 
Reply-To: "John F Sandhoff" <sandhoff@csus.edu> 
To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net
Subject: 1600 vs 2000 (was: I'm sold!) 
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 11:36:17 -0700
     
It was written:
 > My sentiments exactly! Both great cars, but the 2000's got it all!!
     
Including an engine that throws NLA timing chains thru the valve 
cover :-)
     
Sorry, cheap shop..
     
Actually, I have both a 1600 and a 2000. I like them both. They each 
have their niches. The 2000 with its 5 speed is a GREAT freeway 
cruiser. It purrs a little above 3000 revs while the 1600 is churning 
at 4000 to keep up. (yes, I drive conservatively). I don't like the 
physical shifting on the 5 speed though.
     
The 1600 is great for in-town stop and go. I prefer its gearing for city 
streets, and it zips around very nicely if you don't need the top end. 
The engine, IMHO, is a more robust design. Hopefully I won't detonate
either, but finding parts to put a U20 back together is definitely getting 
to be worrisome.
     
Of course, that 4-speed has the weak countershaft bearings. BTDT,
blew the cluster gear, awaiting a rebuild... OTOH, the 5-speed has the 
press-fit 5th gear waiting to let go...
     
Bottom line: They're BOTH fine little automobiles! Either model  performs 
well within legal and safe driving limits.
     
(Flames off-list, please)
     
-- John
      John F Sandhoff   sandhoff@csus.edu   Sacramento, CA
     
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