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Re: Shotz's WS-6 Prep Level (was RE: Uh oh, M3s in ESP)

To: bob1 <bob1@sns-access.com>
Subject: Re: Shotz's WS-6 Prep Level (was RE: Uh oh, M3s in ESP)
From: "Jeff Winchell" <Jeff@Winchell.Com>
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 22:11:01 -0700
>I was just calling the question as to how a nationally compeitive car >can 
>have factory shocks, sway-bars and bushings in an SP class.
>Obviously poly bushings in the rear would help the "too-much torque" >problem 
>too.  

If the factory made the best ones. Or perhaps the difference still 
wouldn't be worth much or at least not 2 seconds. But again, you'd have 
to ask Dave.

> But your campaign to target that car seems unfair.

Why is it unfair? (BTW, many others don't believe it belongs in ESP, so 
I can't claim ownership to the idea or campaign).

> Why don't you be more positive and suggest something besides "put it in BSP"?

Marcus Meredith suggested in his letter to put it in BSP. I have not 
decided myself where it belongs other than to say it doesn't belong in 
ESP. I have suggested the idea of creating a new class between 
ASP/BSP/CSP performance levels and DSP/ESP/FSP performance 
levels.

> Why does it have to compete against two-seater sports cars ? BSP = 
>Corvette/Zcar,

It has been suggested that by taking the rear seat out of an M3 and it 
looks a lot like a Z car. The number of seats is a silly way to classify 
cars (Street Mod has this problem already).

> Looks like ESP is the one big-car SP class.  There's probably a couple more 
>in there that could
> give you trouble if prepared like Bob T's.

I don't know. I guess we'll have to deal with it as it occurs.

> Do you realize the S2000 is at least as much of a potential overdog in AS
> (stock M3 class), and the Type R, same thing in GS against 328i ?

I'm not knowledgeable about those classes enough to know. All I can 
tell is that in AS locally, we have Joe Goeke either in an M Coupe or 
Boxster, Ron Bauer in an S2000 and Bill Buetow in a 944 S2. All three 
are excellent drivers, yet I don't see any of the three walking away (the 
typical 2 second victory by the ESP classed M3) with the class.

> I thought team.net has a ban on this discussion since those old debates went 
>nowhere....

Well at least this debate isn't going nowhere. There are, and will be 
letters to the SEB, and part of that information is based on what comes 
from posting on Team.Net

> Maybe if we allow SFC in ESP it would make it more even ... :)

FWIW, any 94+ Mustangs can have SFC. Or you can suffer the weight 
penalty of doing a well-designed bolt-in rollcage (unless you were trying 
to reduce weight because the M3s were still in ESP<s>).


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