Didn't we go through all of this a couple of weeks back when I suggested
a
National Tour points system. RacerRay sounds like he's looking for an "I
class"
If you ask me. Maybe Ray should lobby for events without timers then
everyone could feel good about themselves.
Mike B.TLS#1
Jay Mitchell wrote:
> RacerRay52@aol.com wote:
>
> <snip a bunch of PAX examples>
>
> > If a street tire class is a sort of throwaway joke that
> isn't important
> >enough to organize in a stable, consistent way so that the
> outcome reflects
> >driving accomplishment and progress, then it doesn't matter.
>
> Then, I'd suggest you work to get your local region to come up
> with their own index.
>
> > If the class is intended to attract drivers who like to
> compete in at
> >least a semi-serious contest
>
> What the hell exactly is "semi-serious?" Is that like being
> "sorta pregnant?"
>
> >and who do not wish to invest in race tires then
> >it deserves a format that reflects a bit more attention to the
> formula that
> >decides the outcome.
>
> Such as? If you have constructive suggestions as opposed to
> gripes, I'm sure all sorts of folks would love to see 'em.
>
> > My suggestion has been to let the street tire cars compete
> in their
> >regular classes right along with the R tire cars but use a
> percentage
> >handicap to even the competition.
>
> That would STILL favor the guy who buys the best street tires and
> dedicates a set of rims to those tires. Or the R-tire competitors
> if the handicap isn't enough to pull street tires even. Somebody
> still wins, somebody else loses. I think that's inevitable.
>
> > This percentage idea will draw fire from the R tire
> contingent because
> >they will say that the money they have spent for tires will be
> wasted and
> >negated by giving street tire cars a handicap.
>
> There IS no "R tire contingent," only people who are skeptical of
> "solutions" such as the one you propose. If you give street tires
> a sufficient handicap, then serious local competitors will simply
> get a set of the best "street" tires and continue spanking the
> others in their class.
>
> > So I'm asking for some ideas, if anyone has any to offer,
> as to how the
> >street tire class could be organized in a way that makes sense,
> and is stable
> >and fair.
>
> ANY handicap system is intrinsically unfair, which is why you
> don't see trophies at the national level based on indexed
> performance (other than ProSolo, but that's another matter). To
> stand a chance, an index must be based on the maximum potential
> performance of a car when prepared to the limit of the rules, but
> you've just pointed out that you don't want to do that. Ergo,
> you'll always be at a disadvantage when running in indexed
> competition.
>
> Let me suggest that you simply find others in your local area who
> think like you do and engage in a direct comparison of heads-up
> times. If you insist on having your concept of "fairness"
> codified into the rules, you'll simply find that other
> competitors are more "serious" than you and won't hesitate to
> take maximum advantage of the NEW rules. Ergo, you'll still be at
> a disadvantage.
>
> Why not just have fun?
>
> Jay
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