[TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 13, Issue 34

Sat Feb 8 16:22:31 MST 2020

I didn’t see it there, but the story is also on the Triumph Travelers Sports Car web site, http://www.triumphtravelers.org/ Look for it under quick links or go directly here: http://www.triumphtravelers.org/Triumph%20and%20Tragedy%20(3).pdf  for the PDF.

Bob

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John Black  There is an article by his son Nick that attempts to cover his life. He gives a good account called "John Black Triumph and Tragedy"                       www.triumphdvd.co.uk

Joe Mato

62 Wood Road

Redding, CT 06896

917 232 1555

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Today's Topics:

  1. clutch for pin (Sujit Roy)

  2. Re: clutch for pin (Irv Korey)

  3. Re: clutch for pin (John Innis)

  4. Re: Oil Pan Sealer? (Paul Tegler)

  5. Re: clutch for pin (Randall)

  6. Re: Triumphs Digest, Vol 13, Issue 33 (JOSEPH MATO)

  7. Re: Triumphs Digest, Vol 13, Issue 33 (Rye Livingston)

  8. Re: clutch for pin (Brian Kemp)

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Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 12:18:07 -0800

From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>

To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>

Subject: [TR] clutch for pin

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I've been deciding whether to fit a stronger clutch fork pin to my Triumph

than the original type.

Any recommendations USA side where I can get one.  I was not able to see

one on the Roadster factory. Only found across the pond Rimmers so far.

Sujit

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Sujit Roy

Cupertino, California

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Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 14:28:33 -0600

From: Irv Korey <emanteno at comcast.net>

To: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>

Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>

Subject: Re: [TR] clutch for pin

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On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 2:19 PM Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've been deciding whether to fit a stronger clutch fork pin to my Triumph

> than the original type.

> <http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/emanteno@gmail.com>

You are better off cross drilling the shaft and fork, and inserting a roll

pin or bolt in there as well as the fork pin.

If you do this, you will never have a broken fork pin ever again. There are

plenty of places on the Internet where you can

read/view this to see how it should be done. Easy peasy.

Irv Korey

74 TR6 CF22767U

Highland Park, IL

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Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 14:29:24 -0600

From: John Innis <jdinnis at gmail.com>

To: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>

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Subject: Re: [TR] clutch for pin

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Are you talking about the pivot pin, where the fork attaches to the

bellhousing, or the slave cyl push rod pivot?

For the pivot pin, I went to the local farm store and found a grade 8 bolt

that fit very nicely.  It has been in there a couple years now with no

issues.  I can't remember the exact diameter and length I bought but they

are pretty cheap.  Take the pin with you and get a couple different

diameters and various lengths.

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Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 15:31:51 -0500

From: Paul Tegler <ptegler at verizon.net>

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Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?

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...simple home brew....? stretch out wax paper on a very flat table and 

tape it down. Put a very small bead of silicone sealer dow nthe gasket 

surface and lay it silicone side down on the wax paper. Let it dry. you 

cna then repeat this on the other side.

Now when you install the gasket you have a solid gasket to keep it in 

line and the little bead of silicone takes care of any surface 

imperfections.

I've now reused the same pan gasket 6 times and still no leaks or need 

to over tighten

side line ...almost bought JW's business when he offered. ...just didn't 

have the time???? :-)

ptegler

On 2/5/2020 6:16 PM, tom boggiano wrote:

> I had on of Justin?s sump gaskets. ?There were a couple of challenges 

> You could not over tighten the bolts and therefore there was a safety 

> wire that had to be used to keep the bolts from backing out

> 

> The pan is a bit lower and the slave cylinder bracket was not quite right

> 

> But, the kit came with all the parts to install and it took care of 

> the non flat pan issues I had.

> 

> Tom

> 

> 

> 

>> On Feb 5, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Randall <

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Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 14:26:56 -0800

From: "Randall" <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>

To: "'Sujit Roy'" <triumphstag at gmail.com>

Cc: "'Triumphs'" <triumphs at autox.team.net>

Subject: Re: [TR] clutch for pin

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> You are better off cross drilling the shaft and fork, and 

> inserting a roll pin or bolt in there as well as the fork pin.

> If you do this, you will never have a broken fork pin ever 

> again.

That's what I did, using a grade 8 1/4-28 bolt and cutting off the threads

so the unthreaded shank went into the fork on both sides.  Also drilled the

hole a bit undersize, so it was a light press fit (tapped into place with

BFH).

But considering that the original taper pin lasted over 40 years, I doubt

I'll be around long enough to judge whether it's really any improvement or

not.

Don't forget to install a taper pin while drilling the fork and shaft; and

get the fork turned the right way.  My shaft has an extra hole for some

strange reason ...

-- Randall

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Message: 6

Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2020 06:54:00 +0000 (UTC)

From: JOSEPH MATO <joemato at sbcglobal.net>

To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>

Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 13, Issue 33

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Monday 2-10-2020 is National Drive your Triumph Day. Time to fire it up and shake the dust off!

Joe Mato62 Wood RoadRedding, CT 06896917 232 1555 

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? 2. Fwd: Carlisle Import & Performance (Paul Tegler)

? 3. Group 44 Spitfire on eBay (Don Hiscock)

? 4. Re: Oil Pan Sealer? (Darrell Walker)

? 5. Re: Oil Pan Sealer? (tom boggiano)

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Message: 1

Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2020 14:10:41 -0500

From: "Ron L'Herault" <lherault at verizon.net>

To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>

Subject: [TR] Craigslist

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Facebook Marketplace may be filling the need for a place to sell parts as

well as entire cars.

Ron L

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Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2020 23:19:15 -0500

From: Paul Tegler <ptegler at verizon.net>

To: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>

Subject: [TR] Fwd: Carlisle Import & Performance

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Hey all....? invites going out to any spit/GT6er's out there.... 

Carlisle Imports how in May

Even if you're only coming up for the main Saterday show field, list the 

NA Spit Squadron as

your club and come join us on the field! Any spits/GT6's are welcome to 

join our growing display!

v/r

ptegler

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Message: 3

Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 06:16:30 -0600

From: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>

To: Triumphs <Triumphs at autox.team.net>

Subject: [TR] Group 44 Spitfire on eBay

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For everyone's info.? This is a fun one.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/124069288168

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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 15:02:16 -0800

From: Darrell Walker <darrellw360 at mac.com>

To: Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>

Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net, bill beecher <bill_beecher at flash.net>,

??? DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>, aljlthomson at charter.net

Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?

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> On Feb 5, 2020, at 2:47 PM, Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:

> 

> I know Justin Wagner tried to do a silicone TR2-4 pan gasket, and it didn't work out. Not sure what the issue was. He did mention the need for steel inserts to keep the gasket from being crushed, which might mean a thicker gasket and problems with things that bolt to the bottom of the pan (like the clutch slave brace). But that's just a guess, I never heard the details.

> ? Randall

I actually have one of Justin?s gaskets on my car.? It came with some spring-loaded bolts (Thackary?) and safety wire.? It seems to work well.? Mine is on an alloy sump.? I don?t think he ever made/sold many.

-Darrell

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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 18:16:20 -0500

From: tom boggiano <tboggiano at gmail.com>

To: Randall <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>

Cc: Triumphs at autox.team.net, bill beecher <bill_beecher at flash.net>,

??? DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>, aljlthomson at charter.net

Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?

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I had on of Justin?s sump gaskets.? There were a couple of challenges You could not over tighten the bolts and therefore there was a safety wire that had to be used to keep the bolts from backing out 

The pan is a bit lower and the slave cylinder bracket was not quite right 

But, the kit came with all the parts to install and it took care of the non flat pan issues I had.? 

Tom

> On Feb 5, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Randall <TR3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:

> 

> ?I know Justin Wagner tried to do a silicone TR2-4 pan gasket, and it didn't work out. Not sure what the issue was. He did mention the need for steel inserts to keep the gasket from being crushed, which might mean a thicker gasket and problems with things that bolt to the bottom of the pan (like the clutch slave brace). But that's just a guess, I never heard the details.

> -- Randall

> 

>> On 5 February 2020 07:21:52 GMT-08:00, bill beecher <bill_beecher at flash.net> wrote:

>> Thanks Dave, I was thinking about Joe too.? Joe, how about it?

>> Bill

>>? 

>> From: DAVID MASSEY [mailto:dave1massey at cs.com] 

>> Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 7:26 AM

>> To: aljlthomson at charter.net; bill_beecher at flash.net; triumphs at autox.team.net

>> Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?

>>? 

>> A couple advisories about using RTV that I have picked up over the years. 

>>? 

>> Not all RTV sealants are the same.? Some are oil resistant and others are not.? "Automotive" RTV may not be oil resistant and are intended for sealing windshields and such.? Check the manufacturer's website.? Ultra Black, I believe, is oil resistant.? None, as far as I know, are gasoline resistant.

>>? 

>> When? using RTV sealants, apply an even bead and assemble the parts loosely and let the sealant partially set before tightening.? This will reduce the tendency for the sealant to ooze out strings and dingleberries which can clog the oil passages in the engine causing all manner of expensive problems.

>>? 

>> When using RTV in the absence of a gasket lay a piece of thread or string along the joint to prevent metal-to-metal contact ensuring that there is a layer of sealant at all points along the joint.

>>? 

>>? 

>> As for me, I prefer to use Formagasket #2 on one side to stick the gasket (more or less) permanently to one part and Hylomar non hardening to allow for easy removal/resintallation.? Until Joe Alexander produces a silicone sump gasket I will continue to do so.? ;-)

>>? 

>> Dave

>> 

>>? 

>>? 

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson at charter.net>

>> To: 'bill beecher' <bill_beecher at flash.net>; 'Triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net>

>> Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2020 7:18 pm

>> Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?

>> 

>> I have had good results with Permatex ?Ultra Black? gasket maker. Part # 82180. I seem to remember that years ago, there was only Permatex #1 which was hardening and #2 which remained slightly pliable. Now, it seems that there is a gasket goop for white cars travelling north with 6 cyl. engines, a different product for dark color cars travelling east with 4 cyl. engines,? etc., etc. The choices on the rack at the local NAPA store can be overwhelming, just like the varieties of Loctite that you can buy.

>>? 

>> I have found that many gaskets for tractor restoration are no longer available from anyone and that the gasket-in-a-tube is the only alternative. Sometimes, it is one casting being sealed against another casting ? in those cases, a very small bead is needed. When there is a pressed steel cover being assembled to a casting, you know that there will be much more of a chance for a warped or bent interface which will require a thicker bead. But we all know that many engine and other drivetrain problems are the result of excess gasket goop becoming entangled into suction screens, bearings, oil galleries and other places. Truthfully, I always get very nervous when I am repairing somebody?s tractor or whatever and I see ribbons of blue RTV sealer inside of a compartment. I?m sure that many leaks are the result of deformed oil pans, valve covers, tappet covers, etc. due to a previous ?mechanic? overtightening bolts. ?If 20 ft.-lbs. are good, then 40 must be better? Unless you have access 

to a granite or cast iron surface plate, it can be difficult to determine if an oil pan is warped. Years ago when I was teaching in the shop, I would use the surface of our big table saw (all cast iron) as a makeshift surface plate when checking small parts for flatness.

>>? 

>> Alex Thomson

>>? 

>> From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of bill beecher

>> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2020 7:32 PM

>> To: 'Triumphs'

>> Subject: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?

>>? 

>> Replacing the TR3 oil pan after a fresh powder coating and wondering about the best sealer.? My first thought is a bead of RTV on each side of the gasket, what is the collective wisdom of the List on this?? BTW, both surfaces are in excellent condition.

>>? 

>> Thanks,

>> Bill

>> TS30800L

>>? 

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Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2020 15:33:16 -0000

From: Rye Livingston <ryel at mac.com>

To: JOSEPH MATO <joemato at sbcglobal.net>

Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net

Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 13, Issue 33

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Go to this link to see photos from around the world from Drive Your Triumph Day 2019, 2018 & 2017. ?

https://driveyourtriumphday.shutterfly.com

Notice there are a number of photos of cars tucked in for the winter with the garage door open, or rolled out in the drive way for a quick photo, or in restoration. ?Have fun with it and participate even if you're in some nasty weather.

Regards,

Rye Livingston

Activities Chairman

Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club

1960 Triumph TR3A

PH: 530-FIND-RYE

On February 7, 2020 at 10:54 PM, JOSEPH MATO <joemato at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Monday 2-10-2020 is National Drive your Triumph Day. Time to fire it up and shake the dust off!

Joe Mato

62 Wood Road

Redding, CT 06896

917 232 1555

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? 3. Group 44 Spitfire on eBay (Don Hiscock)

? 4. Re: Oil Pan Sealer? (Darrell Walker)

? 5. Re: Oil Pan Sealer? (tom boggiano)

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Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2020 14:10:41 -0500

From: "Ron L'Herault" <lherault at verizon.net>

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Facebook Marketplace may be filling the need for a place to sell parts as

well as entire cars.

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Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2020 23:19:15 -0500

From: Paul Tegler <ptegler at verizon.net>

To: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>

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Hey all....? invites going out to any spit/GT6er's out there.... 

Carlisle Imports how in May

Even if you're only coming up for the main Saterday show field, list the 

NA Spit Squadron as

your club and come join us on the field! Any spits/GT6's are welcome to 

join our growing display!

v/r

ptegler

**

*January Club Leader Update*

*_Carlisle Import and Performance Nationals ? May 15-17 _*

Dear Club Leader,

Hopefully you are staying warm and enjoyed the holidays!? Before you 

know it we will once again be in car show season.? Here at Carlisle 

Events, we are getting ready for what will hopefully be another great 

event and we have some exciting stuff for you to share with your club.? 

We also have some new clubs to welcome since the last club leader update.

*_Carlisle Import and Performance Nationals Supports Driven to Cure in 

2020!_*

As you may have seen right before the holidays, we are working with 

Driven to Cure to organize a memorial show within our show for its 

founder, Andrew Lee. Driven to Cure will have a display in Building Y 

and a dedicated Showfield near the pavilion for their show within our 

own show.? Find out more in the following link: 

https://www.carlisleevents.com/events/events-detail/index?id=import+and+performance+nationals <https://www.carlisleevents.com/events/events-detail/index?id=import+and+performance+nationals&urlname=support-the-cause-in-2020%20> &urlname=support-the-cause-in-2020 

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*__*

*_2020 Displays Announced:_*

We will be hosting a number of displays, anniversaries, and reunions 

this year.? They are as follows:

? * 100 Years of Mazda in Building T

? * 50 Years of BBS in Building T

? * 50 Years of the Nissan Z / Datsun Z in Building T

? * The Annual Race Paddock in the Pavilion

? * Renault of Canada and Cars of Robert Opron (Citroens & Renaults) in

? ? Building R

Applications are now being accepted through Early March.? Those who wish 

to apply can do so on http://www.CarlisleFeatures.com  <http://www.CarlisleFeatures.com%20> 

<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.CarlisleFeatures.com <https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.CarlisleFeatures.com&data=02%7C01%7CKenA%40carlisleevents.com%7Cd9f21705a9b4411a7ec408d799089d3d%7C391f7f7ff8be4ad0bbacb0652487540b%7C0%7C1%7C637146134607692416&sdata=sPaLXZsMXkKhGWe%2BVzzHClCkbwp1n25aYTF%2BhSN7%2FI8%3D&reserved=0> &data=02%7C01%7CKenA%40carlisleevents.com%7Cd9f21705a9b4411a7ec408d799089d3d%7C391f7f7ff8be4ad0bbacb0652487540b%7C0%7C1%7C637146134607692416&sdata=sPaLXZsMXkKhGWe%2BVzzHClCkbwp1n25aYTF%2BhSN7%2FI8%3D&reserved=0>. 

*_2020 Club Planning Packets and Tent Forms Now Available Online!_*

To avoid club tent forms from ending up in Spam Folders, we have now 

released them to be downloaded from the following links:

For Clubs that Met the 25 Car Requirement for a Free Tent Last Year 

please use this form:

https://www.carlisleevents.com/docs/default-source/import-performance-nationals/carlisle-events-club-planning-kit-ipn-free.pdf  <https://www.carlisleevents.com/docs/default-source/import-performance-nationals/carlisle-events-club-planning-kit-ipn-free.pdf%20> 

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For Clubs that did not hit the 25 Car Requirement and new clubs, please 

use this form for the $180 Tent Rental:

https://www.carlisleeventscom/docs/default-source/import-performance-nationals/carlisle-events-club-planning-kit-ipn-180.pdf  <https://www.carlisleeventscom/docs/default-source/import-performance-nationals/carlisle-events-club-planning-kit-ipn-180.pdf%20> 

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If you?re unsure if your club hit 25 Cars in 2019, please feel free to 

reach out to me and we can look at your registrations.

*_2020 Import and Performance Nationals Flyers Available!_*

If you and/or your club would like a box of Carlisle Import and 

Performance Nationals flyers sent to you, please reply to this email 

with your mailing address and count needed.? These are not only great 

for keeping your members in the loop on your attendance at the show 

during club meetings but also for goody bag inserts for your club?s show 

or upcoming meet!? We have a couple thousand in stock right now so feel 

free to reach out.

*_New Track Activity Coming Soon!_*

Thanks to many survey responses over the off-season, 2020 will see new 

track activities and you don?t have to have a racecar to compete!? Keep 

an eye on our social media feeds and our website for the coming release!

*_We want to connect with your Club?s Facebook Pages and Events!_*

There is no denying Facebook has become a medium that many of you and 

your members use to communicate on daily basis.? We want to connect our 

page with your club and your club?s Event Page for the Import and 

Performance Nationals.? Our social media team is looking to connect so 

your club has the latest info and can answer questions quickly for you.? 

If you have a club Facebook Page or Group, please share it with 

Clubs at CarlisleEvents.com <mailto:Clubs at CarlisleEvents.com> so we can 

include you in this program.? This includes your Carlisle Import and 

Performance Nationals Facebook events that many of you have already setup!

In closing and as always, if you have any questions comments or 

concerns, my door is always open.? Feel free to reach out via email or 

phone as well as stop in if you are in the area.? We are here to make 

sure your club has the best time possible at our event!

Thank you and I look forward to seeing you in May!!

Ed

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Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 06:16:30 -0600

From: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>

To: Triumphs <Triumphs at autox.team.net>

Subject: [TR] Group 44 Spitfire on eBay

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For everyone's info.? This is a fun one.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/124069288168

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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 15:02:16 -0800

From: Darrell Walker <darrellw360 at mac.com>

To: Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>

Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net, bill beecher <bill_beecher at flash.net>,

??? DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>, aljlthomson at charter.net

Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?

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> On Feb 5, 2020, at 2:47 PM, Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:

> 

> I know Justin Wagner tried to do a silicone TR2-4 pan gasket, and it didn't work out. Not sure what the issue was. He did mention the need for steel inserts to keep the gasket from being crushed, which might mean a thicker gasket and problems with things that bolt to the bottom of the pan (like the clutch slave brace). But that's just a guess, I never heard the details.

> ? Randall

I actually have one of Justin?s gaskets on my car.? It came with some spring-loaded bolts (Thackary?) and safety wire.? It seems to work well.? Mine is on an alloy sump.? I don?t think he ever made/sold many.

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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 18:16:20 -0500

From: tom boggiano <tboggiano at gmail.com>

To: Randall <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>

Cc: Triumphs at autox.team.net, bill beecher <bill_beecher at flash.net>,

??? DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>, aljlthomson at charter.net

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I had on of Justin?s sump gaskets.? There were a couple of challenges You could not over tighten the bolts and therefore there was a safety wire that had to be used to keep the bolts from backing out 

The pan is a bit lower and the slave cylinder bracket was not quite right 

But, the kit came with all the parts to install and it took care of the non flat pan issues I had.? 

Tom

> On Feb 5, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Randall <TR3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:

> 

> ?I know Justin Wagner tried to do a silicone TR2-4 pan gasket, and it didn't work out. Not sure what the issue was. He did mention the need for steel inserts to keep the gasket from being crushed, which might mean a thicker gasket and problems with things that bolt to the bottom of the pan (like the clutch slave brace). But that's just a guess, I never heard the details.

> -- Randall

> 

>> On 5 February 2020 07:21:52 GMT-08:00, bill beecher <bill_beecher at flash.net> wrote:

>> Thanks Dave, I was thinking about Joe too.? Joe, how about it?

>> Bill

>>? 

>> From: DAVID MASSEY [mailto:dave1massey at cs.com] 

>> Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 7:26 AM

>> To: aljlthomson at charter.net; bill_beecher at flash.net; triumphs at autox.team.net

>> Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?

>>? 

>> A couple advisories about using RTV that I have picked up over the years. 

>>? 

>> Not all RTV sealants are the same.? Some are oil resistant and others are not.? "Automotive" RTV may not be oil resistant and are intended for sealing windshields and such.? Check the manufacturer's website.? Ultra Black, I believe, is oil resistant.? None, as far as I know, are gasoline resistant.

>>? 

>> When? using RTV sealants, apply an even bead and assemble the parts loosely and let the sealant partially set before tightening.? This will reduce the tendency for the sealant to ooze out strings and dingleberries which can clog the oil passages in the engine causing all manner of expensive problems.

>>? 

>> When using RTV in the absence of a gasket lay a piece of thread or string along the joint to prevent metal-to-metal contact ensuring that there is a layer of sealant at all points along the joint.

>>? 

>>? 

>> As for me, I prefer to use Formagasket #2 on one side to stick the gasket (more or less) permanently to one part and Hylomar non hardening to allow for easy removal/resintallation.? Until Joe Alexander produces a silicone sump gasket I will continue to do so.? ;-)

>>? 

>> Dave

>> 

>>? 

>>? 

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson at charter.net>

>> To: 'bill beecher' <bill_beecher at flash.net>; 'Triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net>

>> Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2020 7:18 pm

>> Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?

>> 

>> I have had good results with Permatex ?Ultra Black? gasket maker. Part # 82180. I seem to remember that years ago, there was only Permatex #1 which was hardening and #2 which remained slightly pliable. Now, it seems that there is a gasket goop for white cars travelling north with 6 cyl. engines, a different product for dark color cars travelling east with 4 cyl. engines,? etc., etc. The choices on the rack at the local NAPA store can be overwhelming, just like the varieties of Loctite that you can buy.

>>? 

>> I have found that many gaskets for tractor restoration are no longer available from anyone and that the gasket-in-a-tube is the only alternative. Sometimes, it is one casting being sealed against another casting ? in those cases, a very small bead is needed. When there is a pressed steel cover being assembled to a casting, you know that there will be much more of a chance for a warped or bent interface which will require a thicker bead. But we all know that many engine and other drivetrain problems are the result of excess gasket goop becoming entangled into suction screens, bearings, oil galleries and other places. Truthfully, I always get very nervous when I am repairing somebody?s tractor or whatever and I see ribbons of blue RTV sealer inside of a compartment. I?m sure that many leaks are the result of deformed oil pans, valve covers, tappet covers, etc. due to a previous ?mechanic? overtightening bolts. ?If 20 ft.-lbs. are good, then 40 must be better? Unless you have access 

to a granite or cast iron surface plate, it can be difficult to determine if an oil pan is warped. Years ago when I was teaching in the shop, I would use the surface of our big table saw (all cast iron) as a makeshift surface plate when checking small parts for flatness.

>>? 

>> Alex Thomson

>>? 

>> From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of bill beecher

>> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2020 7:32 PM

>> To: 'Triumphs'

>> Subject: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?

>>? 

>> Replacing the TR3 oil pan after a fresh powder coating and wondering about the best sealer.? My first thought is a bead of RTV on each side of the gasket, what is the collective wisdom of the List on this?? BTW, both surfaces are in excellent condition.

>>? 

>> Thanks,

>> Bill

>> TS30800L

>>? 

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