[Healeys] BJ8 Temps

Tue Sep 5 20:27:06 MDT 2017

Here is what it looks like....air flow over the float bowls is enough to prevent problems.

George McHarris

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Today's Topics:

   1. 6 cyl bonnet hige rattle (goldengt)
   2. Re: BJ8 Temps (ATIGHTPROD at aol.com)
   3. Re: BJ8 Temps (Bob Spidell)
   4. Free BJ8 Brake Rotors - SF Bay Area (Bob Spidell)
   5. Chassis ID Plate Location (Michael MacLean)
   6. Re: Bellows Thermostats (Harold Manifold)
   7. Re: Overdrive wiring question (BJ8Healeys)
   8. Re: BJ8 Temps (Keith Pennell)
   9. Re: BJ8 Temps (Keith Pennell)
  10. Shift lever issue (no Healey content) (Michael Oritt)
  11. Re: BJ8 Temps (Roger Grace)
  12. Re: Starter Solenoid Guidelines help required (Mark Donaldson)
  13. Re: Overdrive wiring question (Bob Spidell)
  14. engine trouble (Ed O'Neal)
  15. Re: 6 cyl bonnet hige rattle (Keith Pennell)
  16. Thermostat runs with blanking sleeve
      (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Steve=20B.=20Gerow?=)
  17. engine trouble (Ed O'Neal)

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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2017 11:41:43 -0700
From: goldengt <goldengt at cal.net>
To: healeys at autox.team.net
Subject: [Healeys] 6 cyl bonnet hige rattle
Message-ID: <20170904184149.D24201A0362 at mail.cal.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

The painter centered the bonnet in the hole so now the hinges rattle. Stuffing cardboard on each side of the hinge stops the rattle. Any better appearing suggestions? Root cause is bent bonnet remains bent for the time being so that the rubber buffers are not touching the bonnet.?Ken Freese?65 BJ8

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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2017 14:49:45 -0400
From: ATIGHTPROD at aol.com
To: roggrace at telus.net, healeys at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] BJ8 Temps
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I have a BN1, so things are a bit different, but temps under the bonnet get
 way up there and my front float bowl is directly over my exhaust without a
heat  shield. In the past, my car would vapor lock like crazy, the fuel in
the front  float bowl boiling away. I was a member of the SoCal Healey club
then and a few  of us were having the same problem. Nothing seemed to work.
And then George  McHarris came up with the solution. And I followed suit and
haven't had the  problem since.
    What we did was mount a marine bilge fan along  side the upper end of
our radiators. Being it's a DC motor, just wire it so the  air flows in the
correct direction and add some 4" flex to both ends. One end  goes to right
behind your grill to suck in the cooler air and the other end  off the fan
goes to right in front of your carbs. Mine is aimed directly at the  front
float bowl. Did this almost ten years ago now and have had zero problems  since
with vapor lock. I can sit in traffic and get to 212 and the car still
idles just fine.
    I put the fan in place with zip ties, so didn't  have to drill any
holes and everything can come out in a matter of minutes if  necessary. Got the
fan on eBay under thirty dollars and since it was white, I  painted it with
flat black paint. Works like a charm and don't see any reason  why this
couldn't be done in a BJ8 engine bay with some minor tweaking of  positions of
the fan.

First temporary  installation, wired in place. Blows air right on front
float  bowl.

Switch on shelf to  turn on and off when needed.

In a message dated 9/4/2017 10:09:46 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
roggrace at telus.net writes:

My BJ8 seems to perform better with the increased O2 of lower
ambient temps in the evenings and mornings. There even seem to be fewer
rattles squeaks and groans too !
I have an oil cooler, electric rad. fan oil temp gauge and standard  rad.
Whenever I spend more than say 20 mins in traffic after the engine oil  is
already up to temp, the idling is impacted due to what must be due to
increased engine compartment air temp, and the HD8 mixture becoming too
rich for that
ambient.
So I decided to do some crude testing, and installed a temp. pick up  near
the rear carb intake.

In an ambient of around 85F and sustained cruising at around 60 MPH ?  elec.
rad fan off
Water is 190F
Oil is 165- 170F
Engine compartment is around 130F

At same ambient and elec. fan now on and after 25 mins idling in  traffic
Water is 200F
Oil is 180 F
Engine compartment is over 155F and idling has to be nursed to  avoid
stalling. This must be a build up of exhaust heat with no exit  path.

Have tried to compromise with mixture settings but not yet found a sweet
spot.
So l was wondering if anyone has tried to improve engine compartment
venting
and how ?
Assume this why some cars have louvers on hood or side of car.
Ideas comments welcome.

On a similar thread has anyone used the cold vent air to bring cooler air
to
the carb intake area when cruising  ? Results ?

rg

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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2017 12:37:47 -0700
From: Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net>
To: healeys at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] BJ8 Temps
Message-ID: <eeae31dd-4f22-8e7d-0757-0d1adf9ce7cb at comcast.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"

FWIW, I just had the manifolds on my BJ8 Jet-Hot coated and haven't
noticed much, if any, difference in running temps or other effects (I
also wrapped my downpipes).? YMMV.

Bob

On 9/4/2017 10:05 AM, Al Fuller wrote:
>
> Roger:
>
> Have you considered coating the exhaust manifolds, so as to conduct
> the heat down the exhaust system, as opposed to allowing the manifolds
> to be their usual heat radiating selves?
>
> I?m still thinking a winter project will be getting mine coated
> [Jet-Hot, etc.].
>
> Al Fuller
>
> al at bighealey dot org
>
> '65 BJ-8
>
> '85 Rx-7
>
> *From:*Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of
> *Roger Grace
> *Sent:* Monday, September 4, 2017 10:14 AM
> *To:* Healey List <healeys at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [Healeys] BJ8 Temps
>
> My BJ8 seems to perform better with the increased O2 of lower
>
> ambient temps in the evenings and mornings. There even seem to be fewer
>
> rattles squeaks and groans too !
>
> I have an oil cooler, electric rad. fan oil temp gauge and standard rad.
>
> Whenever I spend more than say 20 mins in traffic after the engine oil is
>
> already up to temp, the idling is impacted due to what must be due to
>
> increased engine compartment air temp, and the HD8 mixture becoming
> too rich for that
>
> ambient.
>
> So I decided to do some crude testing, and installed a temp. pick up near
>
> the rear carb intake.
>
> In an ambient of around 85F and sustained cruising at around 60 MPH ?
> elec.
>
> rad fan off
>
> Water is 190F
>
> Oil is 165- 170F
>
> Engine compartment is around 130F
>
> At same ambient and elec. fan now on and after 25 mins idling in traffic
>
> Water is 200F
>
> Oil is 180 F
>
> Engine compartment is over 155F and idling has to be nursed to avoid
>
> stalling. This must be a build up of exhaust heat with no exit path.
>
> Have tried to compromise with mixture settings but not yet found a sweet
>
> spot.
>
> So l was wondering if anyone has tried to improve engine compartment
> venting
>
> and how ?
>
> Assume this why some cars have louvers on hood or side of car.
>
> Ideas comments welcome.
>
> On a similar thread has anyone used the cold vent air to bring cooler
> air to
>
> the carb intake area when cruising? ? Results ?
>
> rg
>
>

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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2017 13:19:44 -0700
From: Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net>
To: Healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Healeys] Free BJ8 Brake Rotors - SF Bay Area
Message-ID: <e55794f3-6ab4-51be-3091-b871599e61fe at comcast.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

I have a pair of used but pristine rotors for a (later) BJ8 free for the
taking.? They have surface rust inside the hat, which I neglected to
paint, but the braking surfaces are mirror-smooth and shouldn't need
turning.? The only reason I'm not reusing them is I bought new ones many
years ago and since I'm putting in new bearings and pads--which I also
bought years ago--I figured I'd use the new rotors while I'm at it.

Pick up only.? I'm in San Jose near 280 and Saratoga.

Bob

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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2017 20:44:46 +0000 (UTC)
From: Michael MacLean <rrengineer.mike at att.net>
To: Healey List <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Healeys] Chassis ID Plate Location
Message-ID: <587540249.2648095.1504557886348 at mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Can someone give me an approximate measurement to locate the two holes for the chassis ID Plate on my BN2? ?I guess they were filled in during the body work. ?I have to have a chassis plate on it to show the DMV.Mike MacLean

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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2017 14:36:44 -0700
From: "Harold Manifold" <manifold at telus.net>
To: "'Bob Spidell'" <bspidell at comcast.net>,     <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Bellows Thermostats
Message-ID: <39F9E2562CE345CB8BBAF1D65785A86C at AllInOne>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Thank-you all for the good suggestions. I am planning to try this Robertshaw
thermostat and will keep you apprised of developments.

FlowKooler 330-180 - FlowKooler Robertshaw Series High Performance
Thermostats

  _____

From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob
Spidell
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2017 10:22 AM
To: healeys at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Bellows Thermostats

Slightly OT, but I think we owe Moss--in particular, Michael Grant, who I
believe writes most of them--some gratitude for producing these tech tip
docs.  They have really helped me out several times; I just found one that
explains an ingenious--one of those techniques that has you slapping your
forehead because you didn't think of it--way to set the 'steady posts' in
drum brakes correctly.

If you make a phone order from Moss you might mention how helpful they are,
so they keep them coming.

Bob

On 9/3/2017 11:19 PM, Alan Seigrist wrote:

Hey Harold -

With the bellows type thermostat, your car will definitely heat up faster
and run cooler, but the bellows type isn't ideal because when it fails, it
fails in the closed position.

Here's a good article explaining which type you want.  Moss 434-155 is a
better unit, but only available in 160 deg (I think).  For six cylinder cars
160 deg thermostat is good enough for most climates south of the mason dixon
line.

http://www.mossmotors.com/graphics/products/PDF/434-155.pdf

Best,

Alan

On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 12:16 AM, Harold Manifold <manifold at telus.net> wrote:

Hello,

I am in the process of putting my AH 3000 engine back together and went
looking for a recommendation for the engine thermostat. I was expecting to
find a recommendation for the opening temperature but instead found
information that recommends a bellows type thermostat should be used and the
bellows is important or some of the coolant can bypass the radiator when the
thermostat opens. If a bellows type thermostat is recommended is the correct
type either the Smiths 85025 series or the AC Delco TF series? Is there a
modern replacement bellows type thermostat that fails in the open position?

Your comments and insight is welcomed.

Harold

1960 BT7

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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2017 18:15:54 -0400
From: "BJ8Healeys" <sbyers at ec.rr.com>
To: <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Overdrive wiring question
Message-ID: <00e901d325cb$624e3e00$26eaba00$@rr.com>
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The manual says:

"Connect a low-consumption test lamp (a 12 volt 2.2 watt fascia panel light bulb is suitable) [I made a test lamp out of a single filament turn signal bulb and a spare bulb holder I had lying around] between the top terminal "A" (Fig. G.13)[of the throttle switch] and a convenient earthing point.

  The bulb should light when the overdrive and the ignition are both switched on, and the gear lever is set in the third or top gear position.

  When the overdrive is switched off, the bulb should remain alight with the throttle still closed.

  Progressively open the throttle by means of the accelerator pedal until the light goes out.  Check the position of the throttle opening when this occurs:  it should be one-fifth open.  This position of the throttle has been reached when a 3/16 in. (5 mm.) diameter rod can be just passed between the throttle stop screw and the stop lever on the HD type of carburetter, or when a feeler gauge of 0.048 in. (1.22 mm.) thickness can be inserted between the throttle stop screw and the stop on the H4 type of carburetter used on earlier engines."

The manual procedure would account for any system slack, but it also requires two people:  one to operate the pedal and another to monitor the light and check the position of the throttle plates when it goes out.  It would also require access to the throttle plates, and an estimate of what is "one fifth open".  If that is related to the 3/16" rod, then why not just use the rod and adjust until the light goes out?

I have an "overdrive warning" light just above the dash switch that I installed back in the '80s when I didn't mind drilling a new hole in the dash.  When the switch is adjusted properly, the light stays on when the dash switch is turned off and then goes off with what seems to me a reasonable movement of the pedal.  I would say it isn't necessary to account for slack in the system when using the 3/16" rod.

Steve Byers

HBJ8L/36666

BJ8 Registry

AHCA Delegate at Large

Havelock, NC

From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Spidell
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2017 1:14 PM
To: healeys at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Overdrive wiring question

I'm working from memory--will check the manual later--but the way I interpreted the instructions were to adjust the switch with the throttles a spec distance--prob. the 3/16" as Steve mentions--opened.  For some reason, I thought this should be achieved by pressing on the accelerator pedal to achieve this setting which, of course, would pull up any slack in the Rube Goldberg throttle mechanism.  So, I set it this way but felt that it required too much pedal when disengaging the OD.  I just fiddled with the adjustment to where the OD disengaged with what I felt was appropriate pedal.  Maybe the 3/16" should be measured without allowing for linkage slack, maybe not; does anyone know for sure?

Bob

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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2017 19:04:52 -0400
From: Keith Pennell <llennep at verizon.net>
To: roggrace at telus.net, healeys at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] BJ8 Temps
Message-ID: <15e4f23b1a9-c09-3d4d4 at webjas-vac211.srv.aolmail.net>
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-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Grace <roggrace at telus.net>
To: Healey List <healeys at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Sep 4, 2017 2:39 pm
Subject: [Healeys] BJ8 Temps

My BJ8 seems to perform better with the increased O2 of lower
ambient temps in the evenings and mornings. There even seem to be fewer
rattles squeaks and groans too !
I have an oil cooler, electric rad. fan oil temp gauge and standard rad.
Whenever I spend more than say 20 mins in traffic after the engine oil is
already up to temp, the idling is impacted due to what must be due to
increased engine compartment air temp, and the HD8 mixture becoming too rich for that
ambient.
So I decided to do some crude testing, and installed a temp. pick up near
the rear carb intake.

In an ambient of around 85F and sustained cruising at around 60 MPH ? elec.
rad fan off
Water is 190F
Oil is 165- 170F
Engine compartment is around 130F

At same ambient and elec. fan now on and after 25 mins idling in traffic
Water is 200F
Oil is 180 F
Engine compartment is over 155F and idling has to be nursed to avoid
stalling. This must be a build up of exhaust heat with no exit path.

Have tried to compromise with mixture settings but not yet found a sweet
spot.
So l was wondering if anyone has tried to improve engine compartment venting
and how ?
Assume this why some cars have louvers on hood or side of car.
Ideas comments welcome.

On a similar thread has anyone used the cold vent air to bring cooler air to
the carb intake area when cruising  ? Results ?

rg

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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2017 19:07:18 -0400
From: Keith Pennell <llennep at verizon.net>
To: roggrace at telus.net, healeys at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] BJ8 Temps
Message-ID: <15e4f25eb2f-c0e-38a9d at webjas-vab201.srv.aolmail.net>
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Roger,

I seem to have similar effects of T on running of my BJ8.  Went out recently and car ran great for 10 miles then the rest of the trip not so much.  I woud be in interested in what you come up with.

Keith

-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Grace <roggrace at telus.net>
To: Healey List <healeys at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Sep 4, 2017 2:39 pm
Subject: [Healeys] BJ8 Temps

My BJ8 seems to perform better with the increased O2 of lower
ambient temps in the evenings and mornings. There even seem to be fewer
rattles squeaks and groans too !
I have an oil cooler, electric rad. fan oil temp gauge and standard rad.
Whenever I spend more than say 20 mins in traffic after the engine oil is
already up to temp, the idling is impacted due to what must be due to
increased engine compartment air temp, and the HD8 mixture becoming too rich for that
ambient.
So I decided to do some crude testing, and installed a temp. pick up near
the rear carb intake.

In an ambient of around 85F and sustained cruising at around 60 MPH ? elec.
rad fan off
Water is 190F
Oil is 165- 170F
Engine compartment is around 130F

At same ambient and elec. fan now on and after 25 mins idling in traffic
Water is 200F
Oil is 180 F
Engine compartment is over 155F and idling has to be nursed to avoid
stalling. This must be a build up of exhaust heat with no exit path.

Have tried to compromise with mixture settings but not yet found a sweet
spot.
So l was wondering if anyone has tried to improve engine compartment venting
and how ?
Assume this why some cars have louvers on hood or side of car.
Ideas comments welcome.

On a similar thread has anyone used the cold vent air to bring cooler air to
the carb intake area when cruising  ? Results ?

rg

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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2017 20:52:08 -0400
From: Michael Oritt <michael.oritt at gmail.com>
To: Austin Healey <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Healeys] Shift lever issue (no Healey content)
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During today's last session at the LRPHF the gear gear shift lever broke at
the point where the threading for the knob stops. The threads on the lever
accepted an MG shift knob which I believe to be 5/16"-24 UNF.  The lever is
about 1/2" in diameter and it is still long enough to use with a new knob.

>From the standpoint of strength would I be better off turning it down to
3/8" fine thread or through-drilling a small hole in it and attaching a
knob via a roll pin?

Best--Michael Oritt
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2017 17:54:54 -0700
From: "Roger Grace" <roggrace at telus.net>
To: "Al Fuller" <al at bighealey.org>,     "'Healey List'"
        <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] BJ8 Temps
Message-ID: <8FEAA310BE8845DF987C5D293C87E1AD at WINDOWST93OFP9>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

I have Maniflo headers from the UK that have had ceramic coated that is supposed to contain the heat ?

From: Al Fuller
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 10:05 AM
To: 'Healey List'
Subject: Re: [Healeys] BJ8 Temps

Roger:

Have you considered coating the exhaust manifolds, so as to conduct the heat down the exhaust system, as opposed to allowing the manifolds to be their usual heat radiating selves?

I?m still thinking a winter project will be getting mine coated [Jet-Hot, etc.].

Al Fuller

al at bighealey dot org

'65 BJ-8

'85 Rx-7

From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Roger Grace
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 10:14 AM
To: Healey List <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Healeys] BJ8 Temps

My BJ8 seems to perform better with the increased O2 of lower

ambient temps in the evenings and mornings. There even seem to be fewer

rattles squeaks and groans too !

I have an oil cooler, electric rad. fan oil temp gauge and standard rad.

Whenever I spend more than say 20 mins in traffic after the engine oil is

already up to temp, the idling is impacted due to what must be due to

increased engine compartment air temp, and the HD8 mixture becoming too rich for that

ambient.

So I decided to do some crude testing, and installed a temp. pick up near

the rear carb intake.

In an ambient of around 85F and sustained cruising at around 60 MPH ? elec.

rad fan off

Water is 190F

Oil is 165- 170F

Engine compartment is around 130F

At same ambient and elec. fan now on and after 25 mins idling in traffic

Water is 200F

Oil is 180 F

Engine compartment is over 155F and idling has to be nursed to avoid

stalling. This must be a build up of exhaust heat with no exit path.

Have tried to compromise with mixture settings but not yet found a sweet

spot.

So l was wondering if anyone has tried to improve engine compartment venting

and how ?

Assume this why some cars have louvers on hood or side of car.

Ideas comments welcome.

On a similar thread has anyone used the cold vent air to bring cooler air to

the carb intake area when cruising  ? Results ?

rg

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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 14:38:56 +1200
From: "Mark Donaldson" <ardmorebusiness at xtra.co.nz>
To: "'Earl Kagna'" <kags at shaw.ca>, "'Michael Salter'"
        <michael.salter at gmail.com>, "'Healey List'" <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Starter Solenoid Guidelines help required
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Nell's black tri-carb - HBT7L/17600 - January 1962 - has the later type solenoid (with the metal holding strap) also.  The car is very original.

Mark

Ardmore, NZ

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From: Earl Kagna [mailto:kags at shaw.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, 5 September 2017 6:32 a.m.
To: Michael Salter; Healey List
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Starter Solenoid Guidelines help required

Hmmm!

My 1962 tri-carb # 18617 ? May 1962 - has the later type solenoid.  I am virtually certain that it is the original ? I am the 2nd owner, bought the car with some 45,000 miles on it approx 24 years ago.  The entire car is very, very, original.

It could be that the later solenoid start point was at the BJ7 introduction, which was before this car was built.  Which would mean that all top shift tri?carbs (both BT and BN7?s) would have the late type solenoid.

Interesting stuff!

Earl Kagna
Victoria, B.C.
BJ8, BT7 tri-carb

From: Michael <mailto:michael.salter at gmail.com>  Salter

Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2017 9:14 AM

To: healeys at autox.team.net

Subject: Re: [Healeys] Starter Solenoid Guidelines help required

Thanks to all who responded to this question.

It seems likely that the early cast body solenoids were fitted until the end of "roadster" production.

If anyone has a pre '63 car that has an original pressed steel solenoid I would appreciate hearing from you.

Michael S

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From: Harold Manifold <manifold at telus.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 2, 2017 12:21:42 PM
To: 'Michael Salter'
Subject: RE: [Healeys] Starter Solenoid Guidelines help required

Michael,

I am sending a picture of the starter solenoid from my AH 3000. I have replaced the solenoid in the picture but I believe it to be the original solenoid. It has the cast aluminum body but I could not see any part numbers. This is the car it was removed from:

AH 3000 Mk 1 BT7

Chassis number 13154

Date of build Oct 28 - Nov 2 1960

I have a question. Are bellows type thermostats still available and can you suggest a source?

Regards,

Harold

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From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Michael Salter
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 12:31 PM
To: healeys at autox.team.net
Subject: [Healeys] Starter Solenoid Guidelines help required

?Oh wise ones!!!

I'm working on the revisions to the Concours Guidelines for 2018 and have a ?question that some of you may be able to help with.

Prior to about 1958 the starter solenoid used in Healeys was Lucas part number 76411. This type of solenoid can easily be identified by having a cast aluminum body as on the left on the pic attached.

Later cars and all subsequent Lucas replacements had a pressed steel body as illustrated on the right.

The change point is not noted in any of the parts books that I have.

If anyone has an original car with its original solenoid from around that date I would appreciate hearing from you with the serial number of your car and the solenoid type fitted.

Michael Salter

Concours Guidelines Editor.

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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2017 21:38:50 -0700
From: Bob Spidell <bspidell at comcast.net>
To: healeys at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Overdrive wiring question
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I used the ol' 2x4 braced against the pedal to get the nominal setting
(but I thought it required too much pedal and the OD didn't always
deactivate when I assumed it would).? I think it's a bit of personal
preference; I adjusted mine so just a quarter of a clutch pedal and a
quick blip--less than a downshift--would disengage the OD.? Done just
right, it's smoother than my best downshift, so I gotta believe it's OK
on the internals.? This OD has almost 200K miles and the only problems
(2) I've had with it were electrical.

Anyway, glad it's in the manual; I was beginning to wonder ...

On 9/4/2017 3:15 PM, BJ8Healeys wrote:
>
> The manual says:
>
> "Connect a low-consumption test lamp (a 12 volt 2.2 watt fascia panel
> light bulb is suitable) [I made a test lamp out of a single filament
> turn signal bulb and a spare bulb holder I had lying around] between
> the top terminal "A" (Fig. G.13)[of the throttle switch] and a
> convenient earthing point.
>
> ? The bulb should light when the overdrive and the ignition are both
> switched on, and the gear lever is set in the third or top gear position.
>
> ? When the overdrive is switched off, the bulb should remain alight
> with the throttle still closed.
>
> ? Progressively open the throttle by means of the accelerator pedal
> until the light goes out. Check the position of the throttle opening
> when this occurs:? it should be one-fifth open.? This position of the
> throttle has been reached when a 3/16 in. (5 mm.) diameter rod can be
> just passed between the throttle stop screw and the stop lever on the
> HD type of carburetter, or when a feeler gauge of 0.048 in. (1.22 mm.)
> thickness can be inserted between the throttle stop screw and the stop
> on the H4 type of carburetter used on earlier engines."
>
> The manual procedure would account for any system slack, but it also
> requires two people:? one to operate the pedal and another to monitor
> the light and check the position of the throttle plates when it goes
> out. It would also require access to the throttle plates, and an
> estimate of what is "one fifth open".? If that is related to the 3/16"
> rod, then why not just use the rod and adjust until the light goes out?
>
> I have an "overdrive warning" light just above the dash switch that I
> installed back in the '80s when I didn't mind drilling a new hole in
> the dash.? When the switch is adjusted properly, the light stays on
> when the dash switch is turned off and then goes off with what seems
> to me a reasonable movement of the pedal.? I would say it isn't
> necessary to account for slack in the system when using the 3/16" rod.
>
> Steve Byers
>
> HBJ8L/36666
>
> BJ8 Registry
>
> AHCA Delegate at Large
>
> Havelock, NC
>
> *From:*Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of
> *Bob Spidell
> *Sent:* Monday, September 04, 2017 1:14 PM
> *To:* healeys at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Overdrive wiring question
>
> I'm working from memory--will check the manual later--but the way I
> interpreted the instructions were to adjust the switch with the
> throttles a spec distance--prob. the 3/16" as Steve mentions--opened.?
> For some reason, I thought this should be achieved by pressing on the
> accelerator pedal to achieve this setting which, of course, would pull
> up any slack in the Rube Goldberg throttle mechanism.? So, I set it
> this way but felt that it required too much pedal when disengaging the
> OD.? I just fiddled with the adjustment to where the OD disengaged
> with what I felt was appropriate pedal.? Maybe the 3/16" should be
> measured without allowing for linkage slack, maybe not; does anyone
> know for sure?
>
> Bob
>
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 13:34:16 +0000
From: Ed O'Neal <Ed at wadsworthoneal.com>
To: "healeys at autox.team.net" <healeys at autox.team.net>
Cc: "Robert P. Manhart" <manhart8660 at comcast.net>, Al Jensen
        <a13seabee at aol.com>
Subject: [Healeys] engine trouble
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Gentlemen,

The BJ7 has been up on jack stands for about 2 months while I did transmission work. Upon completion, the engine was a little had to start, but finally started.  On the road test, the engine would not rev above 2,200 to 2,400 RPM - light bucking and missing.  I have checked ignition - dwell & timing and fuel seems OK.  Almost feels like the mechanical advance is stuck.  But I'm stalled.  Anyone had a similar problem ???

Ed O'Neal

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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 10:24:32 -0400
From: Keith Pennell <llennep at verizon.net>
To: goldengt at cal.net, healeys at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] 6 cyl bonnet hige rattle
Message-ID: <15e526da718-c0b-3fa55 at webjas-vad044.srv.aolmail.net>
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Ken,

I once had pix before the H drive crash but all I can do now is tell you about them.  Don't know how married you are to concourse but I put about 10" lengths of the boot seal for MGB at each corner of opening.  No rattle and looks fine.

Keith

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From: goldengt <goldengt at cal.net>
To: healeys <healeys at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Sep 4, 2017 8:39 pm
Subject: [Healeys] 6 cyl bonnet hige rattle

The painter centered the bonnet in the hole so now the hinges rattle. Stuffing cardboard on each side of the hinge stops the rattle. Any better appearing suggestions? Root cause is bent bonnet remains bent for the time being so that the rubber buffers are not touching the bonnet.
Ken Freese
65 BJ8

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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2017 07:09:17 -0800
From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Steve=20B.=20Gerow?=" <steveg at abrazosdata.com>
To: healeys at autox.team.net <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Healeys] Thermostat runs with blanking sleeve
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You can run the Moss blanking sleeve with a thermostat.

I had cut away the blanking sleeve except for the part necessary to cover the bypass port. I ran it with a 180 degree fail-open thermostat and 2 Moss rubber gaskets, one of which had the hole slightly enlarged to accommodate the increased thickness of the thermo plus blanking sleeve.

Separately I had bought the BCS 160 degree robertshaw with soldered ring blanking sleeve. I modified this by replacing the t-stat with a 180 degree robertshaw with their ring soldered on. I'm now using that because the robertshaw has a much larger opening than the Moss fail-open.

>><
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2017 14:19:19 +0000 (UTC)
From: Michael MacLean <rrengineer.mike at att.net>
To: "rchaskell at earthlink.net" <rchaskell at earthlink.net>,  Per
Schoerner <per at schoerner.se>, Healey list <healeys at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Bellows Thermostats
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The blanking sleeve has a small lip that sits in the same recess as the thermostat. ?Not sure both the blanking sleeve lip and a thermostat together will fit and seal the cover correctly.Mike MacLean

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

  On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 7:07 AM, Bob Haskell<rchaskell at earthlink.net> wrote:   Moss sells a thermostat bypass blanking sleeve.
http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=69821

I wonder if you could combine this with a "standard" thermostat to
approach the original with the sleeve?

Cheers,

Bob Haskell
AHCA 3000 MkI registrar
http://www.ciahc.org/registry_3000mk1.php

<<>

--
Steve Gerow
Altadena, CA
BN6 / 4whl discs
Maker of Most Complete Big Healey Rear Disc Kit

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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 17:53:10 +0000
From: Ed O'Neal <Ed at wadsworthoneal.com>
To: "healeys at autox.team.net" <healeys at autox.team.net>
Cc: "Robert P. Manhart" <manhart8660 at comcast.net>, Al Jensen
        <a13seabee at aol.com>
Subject: [Healeys] engine trouble
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OK.  Full tank of non-ethanol gas.  Replaced the fuel filter & fuel pump, cleaned the carb inlet screens and checked the float valves.  All new copper fuel lines about two years ago - SAME PROBLEM.

WHAT NOW ???

Gentlemen,

The BJ7 has been up on jack stands for about 2 months while I did transmission work. Upon completion, the engine was a little had to start, but finally started.  On the road test, the engine would not rev above 2,200 to 2,400 RPM - light bucking and missing.  I have checked ignition - dwell & timing and fuel seems OK.  Almost feels like the mechanical advance is stuck.  But I'm stalled.  Anyone had a similar problem ???

Ed O'Neal

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