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well gosh, I think so, BUT . . . . I hope I haven't made any other =
bonehead mistakes like the one John caught. The thing w/painting is, =
there are many products and many choices. Starting with basic decisions =
like "single stage" or "clear coat". Marinara or Alfredo? Then, I =
realize I live in Calif. where things that others or you might have are =
not allowed here. For instance, if you clear coat, then you elimiante =
the color sanding and buff/polish stage. Spaghetti or Linguini? I =
already stated my preference when doing a vintage car: single stage, =
color sanded and buffed. Others will vehemently disagree, and that's =
fine.
I do distinctly your fantastic car at Delavan . . . beating out like =
what? +/- 32 cars??? You, or someone!, obviously knows what the heck =
they are doing. Your car is drop dead gorgeous, and a model to which =
the rest of us can aspire.
#2SteveK
----- Original Message -----=20
From: John Park=20
To: 'List for the Z Magnette Group - North America'=20
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Paint
Hi Steve, Does this latest missive mean more adjustments to your =
original discourse on painting? Being an amateur it would be nice to =
have the complete and accurate version so I'm/we're not open to =
mis-interpretation. I really like when you "experienced" guys give a =
full detailed account of how to do things. I'm trying to keep some =
semblance of fix it history like Wray Lemke did for us back at GT35. =
Regards, John
=20
From: zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net =
[mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Kirby
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 11:23 PM
To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Paint
=20
ooooops, John is absolutely right. I should have looked at my "cans" =
of junk before writing such a treatise. I now realize how I made that =
mistake. I use to use PPG DP40 epoxy sealer, and an etching stuff prior =
to that (a yellow/greenie looking product). Somewhere along there, the =
guy I work with said you really didn't need to use the etching stuff =
anymore, as as the DP40 would be fine without it.
=20
Then, to make matters worse "in my mind", I started using SEM and UPol =
"self etching primer" in spray cans, again on the advice of the same =
guy, when I would occassionaly sand through, or whatever, the epoxy =
sealer. My "guy" said that would be fine, and totally compatible with =
the DP40 type products (I now use a similar type product,made by TCP =
(which I believe is made by ValSpar, rather than the $$$$ PPG DP40, or =
even the PPG Omni line). Thus, somehow in the back recesses of the =
remnants of my withering brain, the two products somewhat merged and =
became "self-etching epoxy sealer". John is 100% correct, ain't no such =
animal. =20
=20
What I will say, is that on the last 3 cars (well, 2 cars, one large =
truck) I have skipped the etching stage completely, and gone completely =
with the epoxy sealer, as the first step. Have not had one problem . . =
. again, on the advice of a respected auto body supplier person. Guess =
that is partially how I derived the "new (so new, it hasn't been =
invented yet!) product: self-etching epoxy sealer! Throw in the =
self-etching spray cans of primer, which was recommended to use on =
whatever bare metal areas might occur, and that completed my erroneous =
mental route.
=20
The next time I attempt such a discourse, I think I best mosey up to =
my shop, and check the cans of stuff I'm talking about. =20
=20
#2SteveK
----- Original Message -----=20
From: John Elwood=20
To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America=20
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 6:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Paint
=20
I've never heard of " self-etching, epoxy - catalytic sealer ". =
Always thought it was one or the other... Either an etch primer, or a =
epoxy, not both... What product is " self-etching, epoxy - catalytic =
sealer "? Google gives me nothing.
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<DIV>well gosh, I think so, BUT . . . . I hope I haven't made any other =
bonehead=20
mistakes like the one John caught. The thing w/painting is, there =
are many=20
products and many choices. Starting with basic decisions like =
"single=20
stage" or "clear coat". Marinara or Alfredo? Then, I realize =
I live=20
in Calif. where things that others or you might have are not allowed =
here. =20
For instance, if you clear coat, then you elimiante the color sanding =
and=20
buff/polish stage. Spaghetti or Linguini? I already stated =
my=20
preference when doing a vintage car: single stage, color sanded =
and=20
buffed. Others will vehemently disagree, and that's fine.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I do distinctly your fantastic car at Delavan . . . beating out =
like=20
what? +/- 32 cars??? You, or someone!, obviously knows what =
the heck=20
they are doing. Your car is drop dead gorgeous, and a model to =
which the=20
rest of us can aspire.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>#2SteveK</DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Djpark@bmts.com href=3D"mailto:jpark@bmts.com";>John Park</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dzmagnette@autox.team.net=20
href=3D"mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net";>'List for the Z Magnette =
Group - North=20
America'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, December 29, 2013 =
10:44=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Zmagnette] =
Paint</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: =
11pt">Hi=20
Steve, Does this latest missive mean more adjustments to your original =
discourse on painting? Being an amateur it would be nice to have the =
complete=20
and accurate version so I=92m/we=92re not open to =
mis-interpretation. I=20
really like when you =93experienced=94 guys give a full detailed =
account of how to=20
do things. I=92m trying to keep some semblance of fix it history like =
Wray Lemke=20
did for us back at GT35. Regards, John<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">=20
zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net =
[mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net]=20
<B>On Behalf Of </B>Steve Kirby<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, December 28, =
2013=20
11:23 PM<BR><B>To:</B> List for the Z Magnette Group - North=20
America<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Zmagnette]=20
Paint<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>ooooops, John is absolutely right. I =
should have=20
looked at my "cans" of junk before writing such a treatise. I =
now=20
realize how I made that mistake. I use to use PPG DP40 epoxy =
sealer, and=20
an etching stuff prior to that (a yellow/greenie =
looking product). =20
Somewhere along there, the guy I work with said you really didn't need =
to use=20
the etching stuff anymore, as as the DP40 would be fine without=20
it.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>Then, to make matters worse "in my mind", I =
started using=20
SEM and UPol "self etching primer" in spray cans, again on the advice =
of the=20
same guy, when I would occassionaly sand through, or whatever, the =
epoxy=20
sealer. My "guy" said that would be fine, and =
totally compatible=20
with the DP40 type products (I now use a similar type product,made by =
TCP=20
(which I believe is made by ValSpar, rather than the $$$$ PPG DP40, or =
even=20
the PPG Omni line). Thus, somehow in the back recesses of the =
remnants=20
of my withering brain, the two products somewhat merged and became=20
"self-etching epoxy sealer". John is 100% correct, ain't no such =
animal. <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>What I will say, is that on the last 3 cars =
(well, 2 cars,=20
one large truck) I have skipped the etching stage completely, and gone =
completely with the epoxy sealer, as the first step. Have not =
had one=20
problem . . . again, on the advice of a respected auto body supplier=20
person. Guess that is partially how I derived the "new (so new, =
it=20
hasn't been invented yet!) product: self-etching epoxy =
sealer! =20
Throw in the self-etching spray cans of primer, which was recommended =
to use=20
on whatever bare metal areas might occur, and that completed my =
erroneous=20
mental route.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>The next time I attempt such a discourse, I think =
I best=20
mosey up to my shop, and check the cans of stuff I'm talking =
about. =20
<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
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<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>#2SteveK<o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
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style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A=20
title=3Dmgmagnette@aol.com href=3D"mailto:mgmagnette@aol.com";>John =
Elwood</A>=20
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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href=3D"mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net";>List=20
for the Z Magnette Group - North America</A> =
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[Zmagnette]=20
Paint<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal>I've never heard of " self-etching, epoxy - =
catalytic=20
sealer ". Always thought it was one or the other... Either an =
etch=20
primer, or a epoxy, not both... What product is " =
self-etching, epoxy=20
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