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Hi Steve, Does this latest missive mean more adjustments to your original
discourse on painting? Being an amateur it would be nice to have the
complete and accurate version so I'm/we're not open to mis-interpretation.
I really like when you "experienced" guys give a full detailed account of
how to do things. I'm trying to keep some semblance of fix it history like
Wray Lemke did for us back at GT35. Regards, John
From: zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net
[mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Kirby
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 11:23 PM
To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Paint
ooooops, John is absolutely right. I should have looked at my "cans" of
junk before writing such a treatise. I now realize how I made that mistake.
I use to use PPG DP40 epoxy sealer, and an etching stuff prior to that (a
yellow/greenie looking product). Somewhere along there, the guy I work
with said you really didn't need to use the etching stuff anymore, as as the
DP40 would be fine without it.
Then, to make matters worse "in my mind", I started using SEM and UPol "self
etching primer" in spray cans, again on the advice of the same guy, when I
would occassionaly sand through, or whatever, the epoxy sealer. My "guy"
said that would be fine, and totally compatible with the DP40 type products
(I now use a similar type product,made by TCP (which I believe is made by
ValSpar, rather than the $$$$ PPG DP40, or even the PPG Omni line). Thus,
somehow in the back recesses of the remnants of my withering brain, the two
products somewhat merged and became "self-etching epoxy sealer". John is
100% correct, ain't no such animal.
What I will say, is that on the last 3 cars (well, 2 cars, one large truck)
I have skipped the etching stage completely, and gone completely with the
epoxy sealer, as the first step. Have not had one problem . . . again, on
the advice of a respected auto body supplier person. Guess that is
partially how I derived the "new (so new, it hasn't been invented yet!)
product: self-etching epoxy sealer! Throw in the self-etching spray cans
of primer, which was recommended to use on whatever bare metal areas might
occur, and that completed my erroneous mental route.
The next time I attempt such a discourse, I think I best mosey up to my
shop, and check the cans of stuff I'm talking about.
#2SteveK
----- Original Message -----
To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 6:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Paint
I've never heard of " self-etching, epoxy - catalytic sealer ". Always
thought it was one or the other... Either an etch primer, or a epoxy, not
both... What product is " self-etching, epoxy - catalytic sealer "? Google
gives me nothing.
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>Hi Steve, Does this latest missive mean more adjustments to your =
original discourse on painting? Being an amateur it would be nice to =
have the complete and accurate version so I’m/we’re not open =
to mis-interpretation. I really like when you =
“experienced” guys give a full detailed account of how to do =
things. I’m trying to keep some semblance of fix it history like =
Wray Lemke did for us back at GT35. Regards, =
John<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net =
[mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Steve =
Kirby<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, December 28, 2013 11:23 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
List for the Z Magnette Group - North America<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
[Zmagnette] Paint<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>ooooops, John is absolutely right. I should =
have looked at my "cans" of junk before writing such a =
treatise. I now realize how I made that mistake. I use to =
use PPG DP40 epoxy sealer, and an etching stuff prior to that (a =
yellow/greenie looking product). Somewhere along there, the =
guy I work with said you really didn't need to use the etching stuff =
anymore, as as the DP40 would be fine without =
it.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Then, to make matters worse "in my mind", I =
started using SEM and UPol "self etching primer" in spray =
cans, again on the advice of the same guy, when I would occassionaly =
sand through, or whatever, the epoxy sealer. My "guy" =
said that would be fine, and totally compatible with the DP40 type =
products (I now use a similar type product,made by TCP (which I believe =
is made by ValSpar, rather than the $$$$ PPG DP40, or even the PPG Omni =
line). Thus, somehow in the back recesses of the remnants of my =
withering brain, the two products somewhat merged and became =
"self-etching epoxy sealer". John is 100% correct, ain't =
no such animal. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>What I will say, is that on the last 3 cars (well, 2 =
cars, one large truck) I have skipped the etching stage completely, and =
gone completely with the epoxy sealer, as the first step. Have not =
had one problem . . . again, on the advice of a respected auto body =
supplier person. Guess that is partially how I derived the =
"new (so new, it hasn't been invented yet!) product: =
self-etching epoxy sealer! Throw in the self-etching spray cans of =
primer, which was recommended to use on whatever bare metal areas might =
occur, and that completed my erroneous mental =
route.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>The next time I attempt such a discourse, I think I =
best mosey up to my shop, and check the cans of stuff I'm talking =
about. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
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/b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a =
href=3D"mailto:mgmagnette@aol.com"; title=3D"mgmagnette@aol.com">John =
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". Always thought it was one or the other... Either an etch =
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