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Re: [TR] generator vs alternator

To: dave northrup <dave@ranteer.com>, triumph list list <triumphs@autox.team.net>, "auprichard uprichard.net" <auprichard@uprichard.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] generator vs alternator
From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com>
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2023 16:52:28 +0000 (UTC)
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That is probably due to the fact that the flasher unit requires a minimum c=
urrent to operate.=C2=A0 Since this is a three-terminal unit with the third=
 wire for the dash indicator switching over to a two-terminal electronic fl=
asher will not work.=C2=A0 And the electronic units may be Neg-Ground only.
Dave=20


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    On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 11:06:19 AM CDT, auprichard uprichard.net =
<auprichard@uprichard.net> wrote: =20
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All I can say is I just replaced all the bulbs in my latest TR3 with LEDs f=
rom LiteZupp but Mike said I=E2=80=99d have to stick with the original bulb=
s for the warning lamps.
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From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Ofdave northrup
Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2023 10:34 AM
To: triumph list list <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] generator vs alternator
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https://litezupp.com/ can replace every bulb in almost every car
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From: auprichard uprichard.net <auprichard@uprichard.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:18 AM
To: dave northrup <dave@ranteer.com>; triumph list list <triumphs@autox.tea=
m.net>
Subject: RE: generator vs alternator
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I would take it to a local shop and have them test it =E2=80=93 but that=E2=
=80=99s just me.
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An alternator is a significant upgrade (you can have lights and wipers on a=
t the same time), but it will require different pulleys if it is a narrow b=
elt.=C2=A0
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I thought most alternator conversions were negative ground, but I may be wr=
ong.=C2=A0 You can also stick with the generator and convert to negative gr=
ound for radios and other more modern electrical appliances.
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Not sure about the reference to LEDs:=C2=A0 my understanding is=C2=A0 that =
there really is no LED alternative for the dash warning lights.
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Andrew Uprichard
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Jackson, Michigan
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From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net>On Behalf Of dave northrup
Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:25 AM
To: triumph list list <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] generator vs alternator
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Recently picked up a 59 TR3 which has an alternator conversion.=C2=A0 Since=
 the engine was separate, I have no idea how well the generator works or if=
 at all.=C2=A0 It is still in the engine compartment, wires connected (unli=
ke the engine).=C2=A0 how can I test it?
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Given the current availability of LED lights, and since I have no interest =
in installing a radio, should I try to keep the current setup (little joke =
there) or go back to a generator?
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Are there wiring diagrams for this car with a generator?=C2=A0=20
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=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">That is probably due to the fact that the fl=
asher unit requires a minimum current to operate.&nbsp; Since this is a thr=
ee-terminal unit with the third wire for the dash indicator switching over =
to a two-terminal electronic flasher will not work.&nbsp; And the electroni=
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                    On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 11:06:19 AM CDT, auprichar=
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<p class=3D"ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:N=
ew serif;color:#1F497D;">All I can say is I just replaced all the bulbs in =
my latest TR3 with LEDs from LiteZupp but Mike said I=E2=80=99d have to sti=
ck with the original bulbs for the warning lamps.</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:N=
ew serif;color:#1F497D;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Triumphs &lt;tr=
iumphs-bounces@autox.team.net&gt; <b>On Behalf Of
</b>dave northrup<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 8, 2023 10:34 AM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> triumph list list &lt;triumphs@autox.team.net&gt;<br clear=3D"no=
ne">
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] generator vs alternator</p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768MsoNormal"><a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"ht=
tps://litezupp.com/" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">https://litezupp.co=
m/</a> can replace every bulb in almost every car</p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>=20
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0in 0in;">
<p class=3D"ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> auprichard upri=
chard.net &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:auprichard@uprichard.net"; re=
l=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">auprichard@uprichard.net</a>&gt;
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:18 AM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> dave northrup &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:dave@ranteer.=
com" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">dave@ranteer.com</a>&gt;; triumph l=
ist list &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; rel=
=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br clear=3D=
"none">
<b>Subject:</b> RE: generator vs alternator</p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:N=
ew serif;color:#1F497D;">I would take it to a local shop and have them test=
 it =E2=80=93 but that=E2=80=99s just me.</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:N=
ew serif;color:#1F497D;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:N=
ew serif;color:#1F497D;">An alternator is a significant upgrade (you can ha=
ve lights and wipers on at the same time), but it will require different pu=
lleys if it is a narrow belt.&nbsp;
</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:N=
ew serif;color:#1F497D;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:N=
ew serif;color:#1F497D;">I thought most alternator conversions were negativ=
e ground, but I may be wrong.&nbsp; You can also stick with the generator a=
nd convert to negative ground for radios and other more
 modern electrical appliances.</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:N=
ew serif;color:#1F497D;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:N=
ew serif;color:#1F497D;">Not sure about the reference to LEDs:&nbsp; my und=
erstanding is&nbsp; that there really is no LED alternative for the dash wa=
rning lights.</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:N=
ew serif;color:#1F497D;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:N=
ew serif;color:#1F497D;">Andrew Uprichard</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:N=
ew serif;color:#1F497D;">Jackson, Michigan</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:N=
ew serif;color:#1F497D;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Triumphs &lt;<a=
 shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"nofo=
llow" target=3D"_blank">triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>dave northrup<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:25 AM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> triumph list list &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:triumphs@=
autox.team.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">triumphs@autox.team.net<=
/a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Subject:</b> [TR] generator vs alternator</p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768MsoNormal">Recently picked up a 59 TR3 =
which has an alternator conversion.&nbsp; Since the engine was separate, I =
have no idea how well the generator works or if at all.&nbsp; It is still i=
n the engine compartment, wires connected (unlike the engine).&nbsp; how
 can I test it?</p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768MsoNormal">Given the current availabili=
ty of LED lights, and since I have no interest in installing a radio, shoul=
d I try to keep the current setup (little joke there) or go back to a gener=
ator?</p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768MsoNormal">Are there wiring diagrams fo=
r this car with a generator?&nbsp;=20
</p></div>=20
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