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You an always rewire that part of the car to be compatible with later model=
s.=C2=A0 But if you are looking for a drop-in replacement they may not be a=
vailable.
It all depends on how original you want to keep the car and for what purpos=
es.=C2=A0 I kept my TR3 bone-stock original for concours purposes but my TR=
6 and TR8 are significantly modified.=C2=A0 It's all part of the hobby, aft=
er all.
Dave=20
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<auprichard@uprichard.net> wrote: =20
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OK, I was getting muddled between my TR250 which has numerous warning lamps=
and the TR3 which obviously only has two.
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=C2=A0
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It is possible to get an LED for the flasher, as long as you get an LED-com=
patible flasher (which I did from LiteZupp).
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=C2=A0
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But there was no alternative for the ignition lamp.
=20
=C2=A0
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Andrew
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=C2=A0
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From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com>=20
Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2023 12:52 PM
To: dave northrup <dave@ranteer.com>; triumph list list <triumphs@autox.tea=
m.net>; auprichard uprichard.net <auprichard@uprichard.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] generator vs alternator
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=C2=A0
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That is probably due to the fact that the flasher unit requires a minimum c=
urrent to operate.=C2=A0 Since this is a three-terminal unit with the third=
wire for the dash indicator switching over to a two-terminal electronic fl=
asher will not work.=C2=A0 And the electronic units may be Neg-Ground only.
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=C2=A0
=20
Dave
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On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 11:06:19 AM CDT, auprichard uprichard.net <aup=
richard@uprichard.net> wrote:
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=C2=A0
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All I can say is I just replaced all the bulbs in my latest TR3 with LEDs f=
rom LiteZupp but Mike said I=E2=80=99d have to stick with the original bulb=
s for the warning lamps.
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=C2=A0
=20
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net>On Behalf Of dave northrup
Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2023 10:34 AM
To: triumph list list <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] generator vs alternator
=20
=C2=A0
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https://litezupp.com/ can replace every bulb in almost every car
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=C2=A0
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=C2=A0
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From: auprichard uprichard.net <auprichard@uprichard.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:18 AM
To: dave northrup <dave@ranteer.com>; triumph list list <triumphs@autox.tea=
m.net>
Subject: RE: generator vs alternator
=20
=C2=A0
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I would take it to a local shop and have them test it =E2=80=93 but that=E2=
=80=99s just me.
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=C2=A0
=20
An alternator is a significant upgrade (you can have lights and wipers on a=
t the same time), but it will require different pulleys if it is a narrow b=
elt.=C2=A0=20
=20
=C2=A0
=20
I thought most alternator conversions were negative ground, but I may be wr=
ong.=C2=A0 You can also stick with the generator and convert to negative gr=
ound for radios and other more modern electrical appliances.
=20
=C2=A0
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Not sure about the reference to LEDs:=C2=A0 my understanding is=C2=A0 that =
there really is no LED alternative for the dash warning lights.
=20
=C2=A0
=20
Andrew Uprichard
=20
Jackson, Michigan
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=C2=A0
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From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net>On Behalf Of dave northrup
Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:25 AM
To: triumph list list <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] generator vs alternator
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=C2=A0
=20
Recently picked up a 59 TR3 which has an alternator conversion.=C2=A0 Since=
the engine was separate, I have no idea how well the generator works or if=
at all.=C2=A0 It is still in the engine compartment, wires connected (unli=
ke the engine).=C2=A0 how can I test it?
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=C2=A0
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Given the current availability of LED lights, and since I have no interest =
in installing a radio, should I try to keep the current setup (little joke =
there) or go back to a generator?
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=C2=A0
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Are there wiring diagrams for this car with a generator?=C2=A0
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**triumphs@autox.team.net **
Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs=C2=A0http://www.team.net/ar=
chive
sey@cs.com
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=3D"font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div><div dir=
=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">You an always rewire that part of the car to=
be compatible with later models. But if you are looking for a drop-i=
n replacement they may not be available.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=
=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">It all depends =
on how original you want to keep the car and for what purposes. I kep=
t my TR3 bone-stock original for concours purposes but my TR6 and TR8 are s=
ignificantly modified. It's all part of the hobby, after all.<br></di=
v><div><br></div><div class=3D"ydpd10aa738signature"><div style=3D"color: b=
lack; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-s=
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nt-weight: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12pt; line-height: norm=
al; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size-adjust: none;"><di=
v><font size=3D"4">Dave <br></font></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;"><br></span></div><br></div></div></=
div></div>
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d uprichard.net <auprichard@uprichard.net> wrote:
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<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:N=
ew serif;color:#1F497D;">OK, I was getting muddled between my TR250 which h=
as numerous warning lamps and the TR3 which obviously only has two.</span><=
/p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:N=
ew serif;color:#1F497D;"> </span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:N=
ew serif;color:#1F497D;">It is possible to get an LED for the flasher, as l=
ong as you get an LED-compatible flasher (which I did from LiteZupp).</span=
></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:N=
ew serif;color:#1F497D;"> </span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:N=
ew serif;color:#1F497D;">But there was no alternative for the ignition lamp=
.</span></p>=20
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ew serif;color:#1F497D;"> </span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:N=
ew serif;color:#1F497D;">Andrew</span></p>=20
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ew serif;color:#1F497D;"> </span></p>=20
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548yqt5286032268"><div>
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order-style: solid none none; border-width: 1pt medium medium; padding: 3pt=
0in 0in;">
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> DAVID MASSEY &l=
t;dave1massey@cs.com> <br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 8, 2023 12:52 PM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> dave northrup <dave@ranteer.com>; triumph list list <tr=
iumphs@autox.team.net>; auprichard uprichard.net <auprichard@uprichar=
d.net><br clear=3D"none">
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] generator vs alternator</p>=20
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548MsoNormal"> </p>=20
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<div>
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.=
0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">That is probably due to the fact that the flas=
her unit requires a minimum current to operate. Since this is a three=
-terminal unit with the third wire for the dash indicator
switching over to a two-terminal electronic flasher will not work. A=
nd the electronic units may be Neg-Ground only.</span></p>=20
</div>
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0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"> </span></p>=20
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5pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">Dave
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></span></p>=20
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0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;"> </span></p>=20
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0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;"> </span></p>=20
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0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"> </span></p>=20
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0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"> </span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 11:=
06:19 AM CDT, auprichard uprichard.net <<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto=
:auprichard@uprichard.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">auprichard@up=
richard.net</a>> wrote:
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0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"> </span></p>=20
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<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:serif;color:#1F497D;">All I can say=
is I just replaced all the bulbs in my latest TR3 with LEDs from LiteZupp =
but Mike said I=E2=80=99d have to stick with the original
bulbs for the warning lamps.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:serif;color:#1F497D;"> </span>=
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></sp=
an></p>=20
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<div style=3D"border-color: rgb(225, 225, 225) currentcolor currentcolor; b=
order-style: solid none none; border-width: 1pt medium medium; padding: 3pt=
0in 0in;">
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><b><=
span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">From:=
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26=
282A;"> Triumphs <<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@auto=
x.team.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">triumphs-bounces@autox.team.=
net</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>dave northrup<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 8, 2023 10:34 AM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> triumph list list <<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:triumphs@=
autox.team.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">triumphs@autox.team.net<=
/a>><br clear=3D"none">
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] generator vs alternator</span></p>=20
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"> </=
span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"><a shape=
=3D"rect" href=3D"https://litezupp.com/"; rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank"=
>https://litezupp.com/</a> can replace every bulb in almost every car</span=
></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"> </=
span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"> </=
span></p>=20
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<div style=3D"border-color: rgb(225, 225, 225) currentcolor currentcolor; b=
order-style: solid none none; border-width: 1pt medium medium; padding: 3pt=
0in 0in;">
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><b><=
span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">From:=
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26=
282A;"> auprichard uprichard.net <<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:aupri=
chard@uprichard.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">auprichard@uprichar=
d.net</a>>
<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:18 AM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> dave northrup <<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:dave@ranteer.=
com" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">dave@ranteer.com</a>>; triumph l=
ist list <<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; rel=
=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>><br clear=3D=
"none">
<b>Subject:</b> RE: generator vs alternator</span></p>=20
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"> </=
span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:serif;color:#1F497D;">I would take =
it to a local shop and have them test it =E2=80=93 but that=E2=80=99s just =
me.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#262=
82A;"></span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:serif;color:#1F497D;"> </span>=
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></sp=
an></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:serif;color:#1F497D;">An alternator=
is a significant upgrade (you can have lights and wipers on at the same ti=
me), but it will require different pulleys if it
is a narrow belt. </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family=
:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:serif;color:#1F497D;"> </span>=
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></sp=
an></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:serif;color:#1F497D;">I thought mos=
t alternator conversions were negative ground, but I may be wrong. Yo=
u can also stick with the generator and convert to negative
ground for radios and other more modern electrical appliances.</span><span=
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></=
p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:serif;color:#1F497D;"> </span>=
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></sp=
an></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:serif;color:#1F497D;">Not sure abou=
t the reference to LEDs: my understanding is that there really =
is no LED alternative for the dash warning lights.</span><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:serif;color:#1F497D;"> </span>=
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></sp=
an></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:serif;color:#1F497D;">Andrew Uprich=
ard</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#262=
82A;"></span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:serif;color:#1F497D;">Jackson, Mich=
igan</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26=
282A;"></span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:serif;color:#1F497D;"> </span>=
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></sp=
an></p>=20
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<div style=3D"border-color: rgb(225, 225, 225) currentcolor currentcolor; b=
order-style: solid none none; border-width: 1pt medium medium; padding: 3pt=
0in 0in;">
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><b><=
span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">From:=
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26=
282A;"> Triumphs <<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@auto=
x.team.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">triumphs-bounces@autox.team.=
net</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>dave northrup<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:25 AM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> triumph list list <<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:triumphs@=
autox.team.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">triumphs@autox.team.net<=
/a>><br clear=3D"none">
<b>Subject:</b> [TR] generator vs alternator</span></p>=20
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"ydp6d15cf9cyiv9024073548ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"> </=
span></p>=20
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n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">Recently=
picked up a 59 TR3 which has an alternator conversion. Since the eng=
ine was separate, I have no idea how well the generator
works or if at all. It is still in the engine compartment, wires con=
nected (unlike the engine). how can I test it?</span></p>=20
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n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"> </=
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n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">Given th=
e current availability of LED lights, and since I have no interest in insta=
lling a radio, should I try to keep the current setup
(little joke there) or go back to a generator?</span></p>=20
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n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">Are ther=
e wiring diagrams for this car with a generator?
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