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Re: [TR] generator vs alternator

To: stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org
Subject: Re: [TR] generator vs alternator
From: Greg Lemon <grglmn@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2023 19:50:56 -0500
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs@autox.team.net>
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Glenn, I had the same issue.  The turn signal light reverses polarity,
flows one way for left and the other for right.  An incandescent doesn't
care, but an LED does.  I had to add a little electric solid state
doohickey to the circuit to make it work both ways.  Randall (RIP) helped
me solve that mystery.  An electronics guru will be able to tell you what
you need.  CZT or something like that.

Greg Lemon TR250

On Sat, Jul 8, 2023, 7:29 PM <stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org> wrote:

> Andrew,
>
> Correct, an electronic three spade flasher works for having LED=E2=80=99s=
 for turn
> signals and also the turn indicator.
>
>
>
> A caveat though to people looking for dash LED=E2=80=99s: there are some =
German
> made LED-s that have an al-u-min-e-um heat sink between the screw base an=
d
> the lens.  It is the same height as the spring holding tabs on the metal
> socket, and when inserted into the insulated two wire style indicator lam=
p
> holder socket and pushed into the instrument socket (six of them), they
> short out one wire to ground.  Beware.  Always get the lower wattage
> non-heatsink style as they are plenty bright.  The only ones that does no=
t
> matter are the instrument lighting circuit (Red with white tracer) becaus=
e
> they use the instrument case as the ground path to the black wire screwed
> onto the instrument mounting post.
>
>
>
> A dimmable 12VDC LED works for the IGN indicator, have not found one of
> those in a screw in E-10 base yet so still using an incandescent for the
> IGN indicator.
>
>
>
> And if your instrument light plastic spring loaded socket is turning to
> cheese, we have some 3D printed solutions (see the Triumph Experience 3D
> printing forum) to easily repair the OE instrument sockets.
>
>
>
> So here is a challenge for the group I have not taken any time to look
> into as of yet:
>
>
>
> My TR250 dash green turn indicator flashes with the left turn but not the
> right turn.  All turn signals, LED front and rear signals function
> correctly.  The only issue is the green turn signal indicator in the gaug=
e
> does not flash for right turns.  The electronic flasher unit has a good
> audible synthesized =E2=80=9Cclicking=E2=80=9D when the turn signals are =
active both left
> and right turns.
>
>
>
> Not yet ruled out some issue from the PO/DPM, or a ground wire I missed
> inside the harness when repairing a burnt Brown w/White wire on the harne=
ss.
>
>
>
> Glenn aka StagByTriumph Garage
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *auprich=
ard
> uprichard.net
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 8, 2023 1:25 PM
> *To:* DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com>; dave northrup <dave@ranteer.com>=
;
> triumph list list <triumphs@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] generator vs alternator
>
>
>
> OK, I was getting muddled between my TR250 which has numerous warning
> lamps and the TR3 which obviously only has two.
>
>
>
> It is possible to get an LED for the flasher, as long as you get an
> LED-compatible flasher (which I did from LiteZupp).
>
>
>
> But there was no alternative for the ignition lamp.
>
>
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
> *From:* DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 8, 2023 12:52 PM
> *To:* dave northrup <dave@ranteer.com>; triumph list <
> triumphs@autox.team.net>; auprichard uprichard.net <
> auprichard@uprichard.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] generator vs alternator
>
>
>
> That is probably due to the fact that the flasher unit requires a minimum
> current to operate.  Since this is a three-terminal unit with the third
> wire for the dash indicator switching over to a two-terminal electronic
> flasher will not work.  And the electronic units may be Neg-Ground only.
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 11:06:19 AM CDT, auprichard uprichard.net <
> auprichard@uprichard.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> All I can say is I just replaced all the bulbs in my latest TR3 with LEDs
> from LiteZupp but Mike said I=E2=80=99d have to stick with the original b=
ulbs for
> the warning lamps.
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *dave
> northrup
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 8, 2023 10:34 AM
> *To:* triumph list list <triumphs@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] generator vs alternator
>
>
>
> https://litezupp.com/ can replace every bulb in almost every car
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* auprichard uprichard.net <auprichard@uprichard.net>
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:18 AM
> *To:* dave northrup <dave@ranteer.com>; triumph list list <
> triumphs@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* RE: generator vs alternator
>
>
>
> I would take it to a local shop and have them test it =E2=80=93 but that=
=E2=80=99s just me.
>
>
>
> An alternator is a significant upgrade (you can have lights and wipers on
> at the same time), but it will require different pulleys if it is a narro=
w
> belt.
>
>
>
> I thought most alternator conversions were negative ground, but I may be
> wrong.  You can also stick with the generator and convert to negative
> ground for radios and other more modern electrical appliances.
>
>
>
> Not sure about the reference to LEDs:  my understanding is  that there
> really is no LED alternative for the dash warning lights.
>
>
>
> Andrew Uprichard
>
> Jackson, Michigan
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *dave
> northrup
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:25 AM
> *To:* triumph list list <triumphs@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [TR] generator vs alternator
>
>
>
> Recently picked up a 59 TR3 which has an alternator conversion.  Since th=
e
> engine was separate, I have no idea how well the generator works or if at
> all.  It is still in the engine compartment, wires connected (unlike the
> engine).  how can I test it?
>
>
>
> Given the current availability of LED lights, and since I have no interes=
t
> in installing a radio, should I try to keep the current setup (little jok=
e
> there) or go back to a generator?
>
>
>
> Are there wiring diagrams for this car with a generator?
>
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<div dir=3D"auto">Glenn, I had the same issue.=C2=A0 The turn signal light =
reverses polarity, flows one way for left and the other for right.=C2=A0 An=
 incandescent doesn&#39;t care, but an LED does.=C2=A0 I had to add a littl=
e electric solid state doohickey to the circuit to make it work both ways.=
=C2=A0 Randall (RIP) helped me solve that mystery.=C2=A0 An electronics gur=
u will be able to tell you what you need.=C2=A0 CZT or something like that.=
<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Greg Lemon TR250</div></div><=
br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat,=
 Jul 8, 2023, 7:29 PM  &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.=
org">stagbytriumph@triumphstagclub.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid=
;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" style=
=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div class=3D"m_807274364286681843WordSection1"><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal">Andrew,<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Corre=
ct, an electronic three spade flasher works for having LED=E2=80=99s for tu=
rn signals and also the turn indicator.=C2=A0 <u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">A caveat though =
to people looking for dash LED=E2=80=99s: there are some German made LED-s =
that have an al-u-min-e-um heat sink between the screw base and the lens.=
=C2=A0 It is the same height as the spring holding tabs on the metal socket=
, and when inserted into the insulated two wire style indicator lamp holder=
 socket and pushed into the instrument socket (six of them), they short out=
 one wire to ground.=C2=A0 Beware.=C2=A0 Always get the lower wattage non-h=
eatsink style as they are plenty bright.=C2=A0 The only ones that does not =
matter are the instrument lighting circuit (Red with white tracer) because =
they use the instrument case as the ground path to the black wire screwed o=
nto the instrument mounting post.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">A dimmable 12VDC LED works fo=
r the IGN indicator, have not found one of those in a screw in E-10 base ye=
t so still using an incandescent for the IGN indicator.<u></u><u></u></p><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">And if =
your instrument light plastic spring loaded socket is turning to cheese, we=
 have some 3D printed solutions (see the Triumph Experience 3D printing for=
um) to easily repair the OE instrument sockets. <u></u><u></u></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">So here is a =
challenge for the group I have not taken any time to look into as of yet:=
=C2=A0 <u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">My TR250 dash green turn indicator flashes with the lef=
t turn but not the right turn.=C2=A0 All turn signals, LED front and rear s=
ignals function correctly.=C2=A0 The only issue is the green turn signal in=
dicator in the gauge does not flash for right turns.=C2=A0 The electronic f=
lasher unit has a good audible synthesized =E2=80=9Cclicking=E2=80=9D when =
the turn signals are active both left and right turns.<u></u><u></u></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Not yet =
ruled out some issue from the PO/DPM, or a ground wire I missed inside the =
harness when repairing a burnt Brown w/White wire on the harness.<u></u><u>=
</u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l">Glenn aka StagByTriumph Garage<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e=
1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Tr=
iumphs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_bl=
ank" rel=3D"noreferrer">triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&gt; <b>On Behal=
f Of </b>auprichard <a href=3D"http://uprichard.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=
=3D"noreferrer">uprichard.net</a><br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 8, 2023 1:=
25 PM<br><b>To:</b> DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dave1massey@cs.com"; =
target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">dave1massey@cs.com</a>&gt;; dave north=
rup &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dave@ranteer.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"norefe=
rrer">dave@ranteer.com</a>&gt;; triumph list list &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tri=
umphs@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">triumphs@autox.t=
eam.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] generator vs alternator<u></u><=
u></u></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,ser=
if;color:#1f497d">OK, I was getting muddled between my TR250 which has nume=
rous warning lamps and the TR3 which obviously only has two.<u></u><u></u><=
/span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New=
 Roman&quot;,serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif=
;color:#1f497d">It is possible to get an LED for the flasher, as long as yo=
u get an LED-compatible flasher (which I did from LiteZupp).<u></u><u></u><=
/span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New=
 Roman&quot;,serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif=
;color:#1f497d">But there was no alternative for the ignition lamp.<u></u><=
u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Ti=
mes New Roman&quot;,serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,=
serif;color:#1f497d">Andrew<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;color:#1f497d"=
><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:s=
olid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>Fro=
m:</b> DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dave1massey@cs.com"; target=3D"_bl=
ank" rel=3D"noreferrer">dave1massey@cs.com</a>&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturda=
y, July 8, 2023 12:52 PM<br><b>To:</b> dave northrup &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
dave@ranteer.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">dave@ranteer.com</a>=
&gt;; triumph list &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; target=3D=
"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>&gt;; auprichard <a =
href=3D"http://uprichard.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">uprichar=
d.net</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:auprichard@uprichard.net"; target=3D"_blank"=
 rel=3D"noreferrer">auprichard@uprichard.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re:=
 [TR] generator vs alternator<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">That is=
 probably due to the fact that the flasher unit requires a minimum current =
to operate.=C2=A0 Since this is a three-terminal unit with the third wire f=
or the dash indicator switching over to a two-terminal electronic flasher w=
ill not work.=C2=A0 And the electronic units may be Neg-Ground only.<u></u>=
<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></sp=
an></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font=
-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Dave </s=
pan><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-seri=
f;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;col=
or:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=
 style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:b=
lack"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot=
;,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-seri=
f"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div></div><div id=3D"m_8072743642866818=
43ydpb20e27b0yahoo_quoted_9772539360"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;co=
lor:#26282a">On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 11:06:19 AM CDT, auprichard <a hr=
ef=3D"http://uprichard.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">uprichard.=
net</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:auprichard@uprichard.net"; target=3D"_blank" r=
el=3D"noreferrer">auprichard@uprichard.net</a>&gt; wrote: <u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;f=
ont-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a"><u></u>=C2=A0<u>=
</u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
0.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><div id=3D"m_807274364286681843ydpb20e27=
b0yiv9419429768"><div><div><p class=3D"m_807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv94=
19429768msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;New se=
rif&quot;;color:#1f497d">All I can say is I just replaced all the bulbs in =
my latest TR3 with LEDs from LiteZupp but Mike said I=E2=80=99d have to sti=
ck with the original bulbs for the warning lamps.</span><span style=3D"font=
-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a"><u=
></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"m_807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv941942=
9768msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;New serif&=
quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fami=
ly:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a"><u></u><u></u></span></p=
><div id=3D"m_807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768yqt77354"><div><div=
 style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in =
0in"><p class=3D"m_807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><b>=
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-seri=
f;color:#26282a">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-famil=
y:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a"> Triumphs &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer=
">triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>dave northrup=
<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 8, 2023 10:34 AM<br><b>To:</b> triumph list=
 list &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=
=3D"noreferrer">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR]=
 generator vs alternator<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"m_=
807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a">=C2=
=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"m_807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9=
419429768msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helve=
tica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a"><a href=3D"https://litezupp.com/"; targ=
et=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">https://litezupp.com/</a> can replace ever=
y bulb in almost every car<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"m_8072743642=
86681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;=
font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a">=C2=A0<u></u><u=
></u></span></p><p class=3D"m_807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768mso=
normal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,s=
ans-serif;color:#26282a">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div style=3D"=
border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p cl=
ass=3D"m_807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><b><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#2=
6282a">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;He=
lvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a"> auprichard <a href=3D"http://upric=
hard.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">uprichard.net</a> &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:auprichard@uprichard.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">=
auprichard@uprichard.net</a>&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:=
18 AM<br><b>To:</b> dave northrup &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dave@ranteer.com"; t=
arget=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">dave@ranteer.com</a>&gt;; triumph list =
list &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=
=3D"noreferrer">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: gene=
rator vs alternator<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"m_80727=
4364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10=
.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a">=C2=A0<u><=
/u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"m_807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv94194297=
68msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;New serif&qu=
ot;;color:#1f497d">I would take it to a local shop and have them test it =
=E2=80=93 but that=E2=80=99s just me.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt=
;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a"><u></u><u></u>=
</span></p><p class=3D"m_807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonorma=
l"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;New serif&quot;;color:=
#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Hel=
vetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D=
"m_807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><span style=3D"font=
-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;New serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">An alternator=
 is a significant upgrade (you can have lights and wipers on at the same ti=
me), but it will require different pulleys if it is a narrow belt.=C2=A0 </=
span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans=
-serif;color:#26282a"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"m_80727436428668=
1843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font=
-family:&quot;New serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a">=
<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"m_807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419=
429768msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;New seri=
f&quot;;color:#1f497d">I thought most alternator conversions were negative =
ground, but I may be wrong.=C2=A0 You can also stick with the generator and=
 convert to negative ground for radios and other more modern electrical app=
liances.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&=
quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"m_8072=
74364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
0.0pt;font-family:&quot;New serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color=
:#26282a"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"m_807274364286681843ydpb20e2=
7b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quo=
t;New serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Not sure about the reference to LEDs:=C2=
=A0 my understanding is=C2=A0 that there really is no LED alternative for t=
he dash warning lights.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&=
quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p =
class=3D"m_807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;New serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=
=A0</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;=
,sans-serif;color:#26282a"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"m_807274364=
286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt=
;font-family:&quot;New serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Andrew Uprichard</span><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;=
color:#26282a"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"m_807274364286681843ydp=
b20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family=
:&quot;New serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Jackson, Michigan</span><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26=
282a"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"m_807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0y=
iv9419429768msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ne=
w serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;f=
ont-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a"><u></u><u></u></=
span></p><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padd=
ing:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"m_807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv941942=
9768msonormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helveti=
ca&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size=
:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a"> Triump=
hs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank"=
 rel=3D"noreferrer">triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of=
 </b>dave northrup<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:25 AM<br><b>To:=
</b> triumph list list &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; targe=
t=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Subje=
ct:</b> [TR] generator vs alternator<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p=
 class=3D"m_807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#2=
6282a">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"m_807274364286681843ydpb2=
0e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&=
quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a">Recently picked up a 59 TR3 =
which has an alternator conversion.=C2=A0 Since the engine was separate, I =
have no idea how well the generator works or if at all.=C2=A0 It is still i=
n the engine compartment, wires connected (unlike the engine).=C2=A0 how ca=
n I test it?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"m_807274364286681843ydpb20=
e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></=
p><p class=3D"m_807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;colo=
r:#26282a">Given the current availability of LED lights, and since I have n=
o interest in installing a radio, should I try to keep the current setup (l=
ittle joke there) or go back to a generator?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p cla=
ss=3D"m_807274364286681843ydpb20e27b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><span style=3D=
"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282=
a">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"m_807274364286681843ydpb20e27=
b0yiv9419429768msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a">Are there wiring diagrams for th=
is car with a generator?=C2=A0 <u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div><=
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