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From: John Vrugtman <javrugtman@htcnet.org>
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 17:32:16 -0400
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If you are talking about India, they drive on whatever side they want at 
the moment. Demolition derby.

John

On 4/24/2020 4:29 PM, Robert Begani wrote:
>
> Remember the largest countries by population are driving on the left 
> hand side of the road and are about to become the largest consumers of 
> automobiles thanks to the British Influence
>
> Also, Sweden successfully switched to drive on the right hand side of 
> the road in the 50â??s by careful planning and shutting down all roads 
> for several days, to change the traffic lights and signs and paint the 
> pavement.  Doubt that could be accomplished today in any modern country.
>
> Bob
>
> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Jean Caron
> *Sent:* Friday, April 24, 2020 3:01 PM
> *To:* Michael Oritt <michael.oritt@gmail.com>; i erbs 
> <eyera3000@gmail.com>
> *Cc:* Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Today's Rant
>
> There was a time after Canada had gone metric that a fringe political 
> party, called the Rhinoceros Party, during the provincial election in 
> Quebec, one of their promise if elected, was to switch driving from 
> the right  hand side to the left hand side of the road like in the UK, 
> Australia and Japan but like every good politician, they were going to 
> do it in stages starting with truck, semi-trailers for the first month 
> and cars the following month. Surprisingly they never got elected to 
> fulfill their promise.!!!!!!!!!
>
> Jean
>
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> *Sent: *April 24, 2020 1:52 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [Healeys] Today's Rant
>
> Metrification has been a success in the street drug trade:  Every 
> school kid knows that there are 28 grams in an ounce.
>
> Best--Michael Oritt
>
> On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 12:12 PM i erbs <eyera3000@gmail.com 
>
>     Yup,
>
>     The US was going to convert, but busineses and manufacturers
>     raised a storm over the cost to convert, so it never
>     officially happened.
>
>     Ira Erbs
>     Portland,OR
>     59 BN4
>     67MGB
>     65 AH Sprite
>     phone makes it's own choices. Forgive typos
>
>     On Fri, Apr 24, 2020, 2:15 AM <simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com
>
>         â??Flirtedâ??? To tell the truth, Iâ??d never given it much thought
>         but had â??assumedâ?? that the US had resisted metrification.
>         Donâ??t I recall that all oil-producing kit is Imperial because
>         of US domination in that area? And planes��?
>
>         I do know that, when Ted â??The Grocerâ?? Heath dragged the UK
>         into the Common Market, we were supposed to go Metric. There
>         were some hiccups along the way. A pint of beer remains a
>         pint. As did a pint of milk whilst milk bottles still existed.
>
>         EU: â??You must cease drinking pints forthwith. You will obeyâ??.
>
>         UK: â??Wonâ??t. Canâ??t. Shanâ??tâ??.
>
>         Etcetc Finally:
>
>         EU: â??You will obeyâ??.
>
>         UK: â??OK. We will keep pint glasses (From which we will drink
>         proper beer unlike your pallid Europ*ss). We will refer to
>         those glasses as â??pintsâ?? whilst acknowledging that they contain
>
>         568.261ml litres each.
>
>         EU: â??Zut, alors. We surrender. Have some cheeseâ??.
>
>         Arenâ??t we all allowed the occasional rant?
>
>         Simon
>
>         *Sent:* 24 April 2020 02:55
>         *To:* WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <ynotink@msn.com
>         *Cc:* simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com
>         *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Today's Rant
>
>         When the US flirted with metrifying and production when to
>         canada and mexico they made standard threaded bolts with
>         metric heads so factories there could use metric tools
>
>         Ira Erbs
>         Portland,OR
>         59 BN4
>         67MGB
>         65 AH Sprite
>         phone makes it's own choices. Forgive typos
>
>         On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 6:17 PM WILLIAM B LAWRENCE
>
>             I think you have it backwards. The original GM design
>             would have used the UNC thread pattern with a 9/16â?? bolt
>             head. The design predated metrification in the US by a few
>             decades. When Rover went metric, sometime in the 80s
>             probably, they retained the US standard thread pattern
>             while changing to a metric standard bolt head. It would
>             probably have been more costly to retool the engine
>             castings to switch to a metric thread pattern.
>
>             Bill Lawrence
>
>             BN1 #554
>
>             *From:*i erbs <eyera3000@gmail.com
>             *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 7:13 PM
>             *To:* WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <ynotink@msn.com
>             *Cc:* simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com
>             <simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com
>             Caroline Quinn <p_cquinn@tpg.com.au
>             *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Today's Rant
>
>             Gm did that to rationalize tools as you say, but save
>             money on not converting thread and pitch to metric. I had
>             a 87 Olds with that exact situation. But also standards
>             bolts heads too in some areas.
>
>             Ira Erbs
>             Portland,OR
>             59 BN4
>             67MGB
>             65 AH Sprite
>             phone makes it's own choices. Forgive typos
>
>             On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 11:39 AM WILLIAM B LAWRENCE
>
>                 In the midst of my recent Rover V8 rebuild I was
>                 surprised to discover that while all of the fasteners
>                 used metric wrench sizes many in the short block used
>                 the UNC thread type ie: a 3/8" coarse bolt with a 13
>                 mm head. I assume that Rover simply continued the UNC
>                 pattern of the original GM castings and changed the
>                 head size to simplify tool inventory.
>
>                 Bill Lawrence
>
>                 BN1 #554
>
>                 *From:*Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net
>                 simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com
>                 <simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com
>                 *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 12:20 AM
>                 *To:* 'Patrick & Caroline Quinn' <p_cquinn@tpg.com.au
>                 *Cc:* 'Healeys' <healeys@autox.team.net
>                 *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Today's Rant
>
>                 I have a vague memory of what we called â??Transitional
>                 Roversâ?? ie a mix of Imperial and Metric. All ¾ tonner
>                 long wheel-base. All UK based. They may have been
>                 peculiar to the army.
>
>                 Glad I wasnâ??t in REMEâ?¦..they had to maintain them.
>
>                 Simon
>
>                 *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net
>                 *Patrick & Caroline Quinn
>                 *Sent:* 23 April 2020 00:23
>                 *To:* 'David Nock' <healeydoc@gmail.com
>                 *Cc:* 'Healeys' <healeys@autox.team.net
>                 *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Today's Rant
>
>                 Gâ??day
>
>                 Not long after I bought my first 100 back in 1972 I
>                 turned 21 and one of the birthday gifts I received was
>                 a set of BSF spanners and sockets. I still have them.
>
>                 Now I have three sets of tools. BSF for the Healey
>                 Saloon. AF for the 100 BN3 and metric for the Hilux,
>                 Mercedes and around the house. There are many
>                 variations of each for specific purposes.
>
>                 Hoo Roo
>
>                 Patrick Quinn
>
>                 Blue Mountains, Australia
>
>                 *From:*Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net]
>                 *On Behalf Of *David Nock
>                 *Sent:* Wednesday, 22 April 2020 11:59 PM
>                 *To:* Michael MacLean
>                 *Cc:* Healeys
>                 *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Today's Rant
>
>                 All the threads on the 100/4 engine are BSF not
>                 Whitworth. Whitworth is a coarse thread.
>
>                 However the wrench sizes are interchangeable. They are
>                 one size apart from each other.
>
>                 The threads on the small plate are 1/4 bsf and the gen
>                 bracket is 5/16 bsf. Also look close there are some of
>                 the studs that go thru into the cooling system.
>
>                 David Nock
>
>                 Sent from my iPhone
>
>                 On Apr 21, 2020, at 10:18 PM, Michael MacLean
>                 <rrengineer.mike@att.net
>
>                     
>
>                     So, I am getting ready to install the head on my
>                     100 short block.  Made sure all the intake valves
>                     have the new seals I bought from British Car
>                     Specialists plus the new set of springs I already
>                     had for the valves.  The two mating surfaces were
>                     cleaned with a white (finest grit) Roloc brush.  I
>                     have the correct head gasket (copper faced).
>                     Tonight was the night to torque the head down to
>                     the block.  My surprise, for some stupid reason I
>                     only ordered 8 new head nuts.  I managed to order
>                     the correct amount of washer for the head.  No
>                     idea what my pea brain was thinking.  Also found
>                     out the head nuts are Whitworth (3/8")  size.  I
>                     have a Whitworth socket set, so tragedy averted
>                     there.  I seem to remember someone talking about
>                     the water jacket blanking plate earlier this week.
>                     That made me look at the front of my block.  Three
>                     studs and an empty hole. No cover.  I managed to
>                     find two blanking covers in my stash of parts and
>                     a gasket in my gasket set.  Woohoo, but no nuts or
>                     lock washers.  Can someone tell me if these little
>                     nuts that I do not have are Whitworth nuts. If so,
>                     what size?  I have a generator bracket, but there
>                     are no threaded studs for the block or nuts to
>                     mount it with.  Once again, Whitworth?  The closer
>                     I get to putting this together the more stuff I
>                     find out I don't have.
>
>                     Mike MacLean
>
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    If you are talking about India, they drive on whatever side they
    want at the moment. Demolition derby.<br>
    <br>
    John<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/24/2020 4:29 PM, Robert Begani
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            the largest countries by population are driving on the left
            hand side of the road and are about to become the largest
            consumers of automobiles thanks to the British 
Influence<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Also,
            Sweden successfully switched to drive on the right hand side
            of the road in the 50â??s by careful planning and shutting
            down all roads for several days, to change the traffic
            lights and signs and paint the pavement.  Doubt that could
            be accomplished today in any modern country.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Healeys
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" 
href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";>&lt;healeys-bounces@autox.team.net&gt;</a>
 <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jean
              Caron<br>
              <b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 24, 2020 3:01 PM<br>
              <b>To:</b> Michael Oritt <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" 
href="mailto:michael.oritt@gmail.com";>&lt;michael.oritt@gmail.com&gt;</a>;
              i erbs <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" 
href="mailto:eyera3000@gmail.com";>&lt;eyera3000@gmail.com&gt;</a><br>
              <b>Cc:</b> Healeys <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" 
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>&lt;healeys@autox.team.net&gt;</a><br>
              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Today's Rant<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
        </div>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">There was a time after
            Canada had gone metric that a fringe political party, called
            the Rhinoceros Party, during the provincial election in
            Quebec, one of their promise if elected, was to switch
            driving from the right  hand side to the left hand side of
            the road like in the UK, Australia and Japan but like every
            good politician, they were going to do it in stages starting
            with truck, semi-trailers for the first month and cars the
            following month. Surprisingly they never got elected to
            fulfill their promise.!!!!!!!!!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Jean<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Sent from <a
              href="https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986";
              moz-do-not-send="true">Mail</a> for Windows 
10<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
          1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-CA">From: </span></b><span
              lang="EN-CA"><a href="mailto:michael.oritt@gmail.com";
                moz-do-not-send="true">Michael Oritt</a><br>
              <b>Sent: </b>April 24, 2020 1:52 PM<br>
              <b>To: </b><a href="mailto:eyera3000@gmail.com";
                moz-do-not-send="true">i erbs</a><br>
              <b>Cc: </b><a href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";
                moz-do-not-send="true">Healeys</a><br>
              <b>Subject: </b>Re: [Healeys] Today's Rant<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        </div>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#3333FF"
                lang="EN-CA">Metrification has been a success in the
                street drug trade:  Every school kid knows that there
                are 28 grams in an ounce.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#3333FF"
                lang="EN-CA"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#3333FF"
                lang="EN-CA">Best--Michael Oritt <o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
        </div>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">On Fri, Apr 24, 2020
                at 12:12 PM i erbs &lt;<a
                  href="mailto:eyera3000@gmail.com";
                  moz-do-not-send="true">eyera3000@gmail.com</a>&gt;
                wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC
            1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in
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            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Yup, 
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                    lang="EN-CA">The US was going to convert, but
                    busineses and manufacturers raised a storm over the
                    cost to convert, so it never 
officially happened. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Ira Erbs<br>
                      Portland,OR<br>
                      59 BN4<br>
                      67MGB<br>
                      65 AH Sprite<br>
                      phone makes it's own choices. Forgive 
typos<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                </div>
              </div>
            </div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
            <div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">On Fri, Apr 24,
                    2020, 2:15 AM &lt;<a
                      href="mailto:simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com";
                      target="_blank" 
moz-do-not-send="true">simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com</a>&gt;
                    wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              </div>
              <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC
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                <div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                        lang="EN-GB">â??Flirtedâ??? To tell the truth, Iâ??d
                        never given it much thought but had â??assumedâ??
                        that the US had resisted metrification. Donâ??t I
                        recall that all oil-producing kit is Imperial
                        because of US domination in that area? And
                        planes��?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                        lang="EN-GB">I do know that, when Ted â??The
                        Grocerâ?? Heath dragged the UK into the Common
                        Market, we were supposed to go Metric. There
                        were some hiccups along the way. A pint of beer
                        remains a pint. As did a pint of milk whilst
                        milk bottles still existed. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                        lang="EN-GB">EU: â??You must cease drinking pints
                        forthwith. You will obeyâ??.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                        lang="EN-GB">UK: â??Wonâ??t. Canâ??t. 
Shanâ??tâ??.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                        lang="EN-GB">Etcetc Finally:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                        lang="EN-GB">EU: â??You will 
obeyâ??.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                        lang="EN-GB">UK: â??OK. We will keep pint glasses
                        (From which we will drink proper beer unlike
                        your pallid Europ*ss). We will refer to those
                        glasses as â??pintsâ?? whilst acknowledging that
                        they contain<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                        lang="EN-GB">568.261ml litres 
each.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                        lang="EN-GB">EU: â??Zut, alors. We surrender. Have
                        some cheeseâ??.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                        lang="EN-GB">Arenâ??t we all allowed the
                        occasional rant?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                        lang="EN-GB">Simon<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                        lang="EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                        lang="EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                    <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
                      1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>From:</b>
                        i erbs &lt;<a href="mailto:eyera3000@gmail.com";
                          target="_blank" 
moz-do-not-send="true">eyera3000@gmail.com</a>&gt;
                        <br>
                        <b>Sent:</b> 24 April 2020 02:55<br>
                        <b>To:</b> WILLIAM B LAWRENCE &lt;<a
                          href="mailto:ynotink@msn.com"; target="_blank"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">ynotink@msn.com</a>&gt;<br>
                        <b>Cc:</b> <a
                          href="mailto:simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com";
                          target="_blank" 
moz-do-not-send="true">simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com</a>;
                        Patrick &amp; Caroline Quinn &lt;<a
                          href="mailto:p_cquinn@tpg.com.au";
                          target="_blank" 
moz-do-not-send="true">p_cquinn@tpg.com.au</a>&gt;;
                        Healeys &lt;<a
                          href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";
                          target="_blank" 
moz-do-not-send="true">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br>
                        <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Today's Rant<span
                          lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                    </div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                        lang="EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                          lang="EN-GB">When the US flirted with
                          metrifying and production when to canada and
                          mexico they made standard threaded bolts with
                          metric heads so factories there could use
                          metric tools<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                            lang="EN-GB">Ira Erbs<br>
                            Portland,OR<br>
                            59 BN4<br>
                            67MGB<br>
                            65 AH Sprite<br>
                            phone makes it's own choices. Forgive 
typos<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                        lang="EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                    <div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                            lang="EN-GB">On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 6:17 PM
                            WILLIAM B LAWRENCE &lt;<a
                              href="mailto:ynotink@msn.com";
                              target="_blank" 
moz-do-not-send="true">ynotink@msn.com</a>&gt;
                            wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      </div>
                      <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid
                        #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                        <div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                lang="EN-GB">I think you have it
                                backwards. The original GM design would
                                have used the UNC thread pattern with a
                                9/16â?? bolt head. The design predated
                                metrification in the US by a few
                                decades. When Rover went metric,
                                sometime in the 80s probably, they
                                retained the US standard thread pattern
                                while changing to a metric standard bolt
                                head. It would probably have been more
                                costly to retool the engine castings to
                                switch to a metric thread 
pattern.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                lang="EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                lang="EN-GB">Bill 
Lawrence <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                lang="EN-GB">BN1 #554<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center"
                            align="center"><span lang="EN-GB"><img
                                style="width:7.0416in;height:.0208in"
                                id="Horizontal_x0020_Line_x0020_1"
                                src="cid:part13.B2B36870.0EF19033@htcnet.org"
                                class="" width="676" height="2"
                                border="0"></span><span 
lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          <div
id="gmail-m_8352228232194750169m_1653997730557240969m_6037447791772944075divRplyFwdMsg">
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
                                  style="color:black" 
lang="EN-GB">From:</span></b><span
                                style="color:black" lang="EN-GB"> i erbs
                                &lt;<a href="mailto:eyera3000@gmail.com";
                                  target="_blank" 
moz-do-not-send="true">eyera3000@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
                                <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 23, 2020
                                7:13 PM<br>
                                <b>To:</b> WILLIAM B LAWRENCE &lt;<a
                                  href="mailto:ynotink@msn.com";
                                  target="_blank" 
moz-do-not-send="true">ynotink@msn.com</a>&gt;<br>
                                <b>Cc:</b> <a
                                  
href="mailto:simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com";
                                  target="_blank" 
moz-do-not-send="true">simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com</a>
                                &lt;<a
                                  
href="mailto:simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com";
                                  target="_blank" 
moz-do-not-send="true">simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com</a>&gt;;
                                Patrick &amp; Caroline Quinn &lt;<a
                                  href="mailto:p_cquinn@tpg.com.au";
                                  target="_blank" 
moz-do-not-send="true">p_cquinn@tpg.com.au</a>&gt;;
                                Healeys &lt;<a
                                  href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";
                                  target="_blank" 
moz-do-not-send="true">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br>
                                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Today's
                                Rant</span><span lang="EN-GB"> 
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                  lang="EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                                  lang="EN-GB">Gm did that to
                                  rationalize tools as you say, but save
                                  money on not converting thread and
                                  pitch to metric. I had a 87 Olds with
                                  that exact situation. But also
                                  standards bolts heads too in some
                                  areas. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                    lang="EN-GB">Ira Erbs<br>
                                    Portland,OR<br>
                                    59 BN4<br>
                                    67MGB<br>
                                    65 AH Sprite<br>
                                    phone makes it's own choices.
                                    Forgive typos<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                              </div>
                            </div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                lang="EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            <div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                    lang="EN-GB">On Thu, Apr 23, 2020,
                                    11:39 AM WILLIAM B LAWRENCE &lt;<a
                                      href="mailto:ynotink@msn.com";
                                      target="_blank"
                                      
moz-do-not-send="true">ynotink@msn.com</a>&gt;
                                    wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                              </div>
                              <blockquote
                                style="border:none;border-left:solid
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                                <div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-GB">In the midst of my
                                        recent Rover V8 rebuild I was
                                        surprised to discover that while
                                        all of the fasteners used metric
                                        wrench sizes many in the short
                                        block used the UNC thread type
                                        ie: a 3/8" coarse bolt with a 13
                                        mm head. I assume that Rover
                                        simply continued the UNC pattern
                                        of the original GM castings and
                                        changed the head size to
                                        simplify tool inventory.</span><span
                                        lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-GB"> </span><span
                                        lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-GB">Bill Lawrence</span><span
                                        lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-GB">BN1 #554</span><span
                                        lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="text-align:center"
                                    align="center"><span lang="EN-GB"><img
style="width:6.9791in;height:.0208in" id="Horizontal_x0020_Line_x0020_2"
src="cid:part21.AB39B936.095F6468@htcnet.org" class="" width="670"
                                        height="2" border="0"></span><span
                                      lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                  <div
id="gmail-m_8352228232194750169m_1653997730557240969m_6037447791772944075x_m_2173325284267159273divRplyFwdMsg">
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
                                          style="color:black"
                                          lang="EN-GB">From:</span></b><span
                                        style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">
                                        Healeys &lt;<a
                                          
href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";
                                          target="_blank"
                                          
moz-do-not-send="true">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&gt;
                                        on behalf of <a
                                          
href="mailto:simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com";
                                          target="_blank"
                                          
moz-do-not-send="true">simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com</a>
                                        &lt;<a
                                          
href="mailto:simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com";
                                          target="_blank"
                                          
moz-do-not-send="true">simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com</a>&gt;<br>
                                        <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 23,
                                        2020 12:20 AM<br>
                                        <b>To:</b> 'Patrick &amp;
                                        Caroline Quinn' &lt;<a
                                          href="mailto:p_cquinn@tpg.com.au";
                                          target="_blank"
                                          
moz-do-not-send="true">p_cquinn@tpg.com.au</a>&gt;<br>
                                        <b>Cc:</b> 'Healeys' &lt;<a
                                          href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";
                                          target="_blank"
                                          
moz-do-not-send="true">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br>
                                        <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys]
                                        Today's Rant</span><span
                                        lang="EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                          lang="EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                    </div>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p><span lang="EN-GB">I have a
                                          vague memory of what we called
                                          â??Transitional Roversâ?? ie a mix
                                          of Imperial and Metric. All ¾
                                          tonner long wheel-base. All UK
                                          based. They may have been
                                          peculiar to the 
army.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span lang="EN-GB">Glad I
                                          wasnâ??t in REMEâ?¦..they had to
                                          maintain them.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span 
lang="EN-GB">Simon<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span 
lang="EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <div>
                                        <div
                                          style="border:none;border-top:solid
                                          #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt
                                          0in 0in 0in">
                                          <p><b>From:</b> Healeys &lt;<a
href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; target="_blank"
                                              
moz-do-not-send="true">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&gt;
                                            <b>On Behalf Of </b>Patrick
                                            &amp; Caroline Quinn<br>
                                            <b>Sent:</b> 23 April 2020
                                            00:23<br>
                                            <b>To:</b> 'David Nock' &lt;<a
href="mailto:healeydoc@gmail.com"; target="_blank" 
moz-do-not-send="true">healeydoc@gmail.com</a>&gt;;
                                            'Michael MacLean' &lt;<a
                                              
href="mailto:rrengineer.mike@att.net";
                                              target="_blank"
                                              
moz-do-not-send="true">rrengineer.mike@att.net</a>&gt;<br>
                                            <b>Cc:</b> 'Healeys' &lt;<a
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target="_blank"
                                              
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                                            <b>Subject:</b> Re:
                                            [Healeys] Today's Rant<span
                                              
lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                      <p><span 
lang="EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span lang="EN-AU">Gâ??day</span><span
                                          lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span lang="EN-AU"> </span><span
                                          lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span lang="EN-AU">Not long
                                          after I bought my first 100
                                          back in 1972 I turned 21 and
                                          one of the birthday gifts I
                                          received was a set of BSF
                                          spanners and sockets. I still
                                          have them.</span><span
                                          lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span lang="EN-AU"> </span><span
                                          lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span lang="EN-AU">Now I have
                                          three sets of tools. BSF for
                                          the Healey Saloon. AF for the
                                          100 BN3 and metric for the
                                          Hilux, Mercedes and around the
                                          house. There are many
                                          variations of each for
                                          specific purposes.</span><span
                                          lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span lang="EN-AU"> </span><span
                                          lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span lang="EN-AU">Hoo Roo</span><span
                                          lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span lang="EN-AU"> </span><span
                                          lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span lang="EN-AU">Patrick
                                          Quinn</span><span 
lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span lang="EN-AU">Blue
                                          Mountains, Australia</span><span
                                          lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span lang="EN-AU"> </span><span
                                          lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                              Healeys [<a
                                                
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                                              <b>On Behalf Of </b>David
                                              Nock<br>
                                              <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 22
                                              April 2020 11:59 PM<br>
                                              <b>To:</b> Michael MacLean<br>
                                              <b>Cc:</b> Healeys<br>
                                              <b>Subject:</b> Re:
                                              [Healeys] Today's Rant</span><span
                                              
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                                      <p><span lang="EN-AU"> </span><span
                                          lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span lang="EN-AU">All the
                                          threads on the 100/4 engine
                                          are BSF not Whitworth. 
                                          Whitworth is a coarse 
thread. </span><span
                                          lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                        <p><span lang="EN-AU">However
                                            the wrench sizes are
                                            interchangeable. They are
                                            one size apart from each
                                            other. </span><span
                                            lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                        <p><span lang="EN-AU"> </span><span
                                            lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                        <p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                                            lang="EN-AU">The threads on
                                            the small plate are 1/4 bsf
                                            and the gen bracket is 5/16
                                            bsf. Also look close there
                                            are some of the studs that
                                            go thru into the cooling
                                            system. </span><span
                                            lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                            <p><span lang="EN-AU">David
                                                Nock</span><span
                                                
lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                            <p><span lang="EN-AU"> </span><span
                                                
lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <p><span lang="EN-AU">Sent
                                              from my iPhone</span><span
                                              
lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                              lang="EN-AU"> </span><span
                                              
lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                          <p
                                            style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                                              lang="EN-AU">On Apr 21,
                                              2020, at 10:18 PM, Michael
                                              MacLean &lt;<a
                                                
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                                                <p><span lang="EN-AU">So,
                                                    I am getting ready
                                                    to install the head
                                                    on my 100 short
                                                    block.  Made sure
                                                    all the intake
                                                    valves have the new
                                                    seals I bought from
                                                    British Car
                                                    Specialists plus the
                                                    new set of springs I
                                                    already had for the
                                                    valves.  The two
                                                    mating surfaces were
                                                    cleaned with a white
                                                    (finest grit) Roloc
                                                    brush.  I have the
                                                    correct head gasket
                                                    (copper faced).  
                                                    Tonight was the
                                                    night to torque the
                                                    head down to the
                                                    block.  My surprise,
                                                    for some stupid
                                                    reason I only
                                                    ordered 8 new head
                                                    nuts.  I managed to
                                                    order the correct
                                                    amount of washer for
                                                    the head.  No idea
                                                    what my pea brain
                                                    was thinking.  Also
                                                    found out the head
                                                    nuts are Whitworth
                                                    (3/8")  size.  I
                                                    have a Whitworth
                                                    socket set, so
                                                    tragedy averted
                                                    there.  I seem to
                                                    remember someone
                                                    talking about the
                                                    water jacket
                                                    blanking plate
                                                    earlier this week. 
                                                    That made me look at
                                                    the front of my
                                                    block.  Three studs
                                                    and an empty hole. 
                                                    No cover.  I managed
                                                    to find two blanking
                                                    covers in my stash
                                                    of parts and a
                                                    gasket in my gasket
                                                    set.  Woohoo, but no
                                                    nuts or lock
                                                    washers.  Can
                                                    someone tell me if
                                                    these little nuts
                                                    that I do not have
                                                    are Whitworth nuts. 
                                                    If so, what size?  I
                                                    have a generator
                                                    bracket, but there
                                                    are no threaded
                                                    studs for the block
                                                    or nuts to mount it
                                                    with.  Once again,
                                                    Whitworth?  The
                                                    closer I get to
                                                    putting this
                                                    together the more
                                                    stuff I find out I
                                                    don't have.</span><span
                                                    
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