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Subject: Re: [Healeys] Today's Rant
From: Kees Oudesluijs <coudesluijs@chello.nl>
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 19:58:51 +0200
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Quite possible the car was made in Italy by Fiat? It least that is where 
(som of) the Jeeps in Europe are coming from I believe

Kees Oudesluijs



Op 24-4-2020 om 19:18 schreef Bob England:
>
> Ira â?¦ USofA is not immune to the creeping metric menace â?¦ I had a 1995 
> Jeep Cherokee bought new â?¦ went to change the water pump â?¦. 9 bolts â?¦ 
> 5 metric and 4 imperial  � worst yet, had to change one of the dash 
> light bulbs â?¦ took off the dash cover â?¦ â??LUCASâ?? â?¦. Iâ??m still in 
> therapy â?¦ BobE
>
> *From:*Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of 
> *i erbs
> *Sent:* April 24, 2020 10:05 AM
> *To:* simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com
> *Cc:* Healeys
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Today's Rant
>
> Yup,
>
> The US was going to convert, but busineses and manufacturers raised a 
> storm over the cost to convert, so it never officially happened.
>
> Ira Erbs
> Portland,OR
> 59 BN4
> 67MGB
> 65 AH Sprite
> phone makes it's own choices. Forgive typos
>
> On Fri, Apr 24, 2020, 2:15 AM <simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com 
>
>     â??Flirtedâ??? To tell the truth, Iâ??d never given it much thought but
>     had â??assumedâ?? that the US had resisted metrification. Donâ??t I
>     recall that all oil-producing kit is Imperial because of US
>     domination in that area? And planes��?
>
>     I do know that, when Ted â??The Grocerâ?? Heath dragged the UK into
>     the Common Market, we were supposed to go Metric. There were some
>     hiccups along the way. A pint of beer remains a pint. As did a
>     pint of milk whilst milk bottles still existed.
>
>     EU: â??You must cease drinking pints forthwith. You will obeyâ??.
>
>     UK: â??Wonâ??t. Canâ??t. Shanâ??tâ??.
>
>     Etcetc Finally:
>
>     EU: â??You will obeyâ??.
>
>     UK: â??OK. We will keep pint glasses (From which we will drink
>     proper beer unlike your pallid Europ*ss). We will refer to those
>     glasses as â??pintsâ?? whilst acknowledging that they contain
>
>     568.261ml litres each.
>
>     EU: â??Zut, alors. We surrender. Have some cheeseâ??.
>
>     Arenâ??t we all allowed the occasional rant?
>
>     Simon
>
>     *Sent:* 24 April 2020 02:55
>     *Cc:* simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com
>     *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Today's Rant
>
>     When the US flirted with metrifying and production when to canada
>     and mexico they made standard threaded bolts with metric heads so
>     factories there could use metric tools
>
>     Ira Erbs
>     Portland,OR
>     59 BN4
>     67MGB
>     65 AH Sprite
>     phone makes it's own choices. Forgive typos
>
>     On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 6:17 PM WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <ynotink@msn.com
>
>         I think you have it backwards. The original GM design would
>         have used the UNC thread pattern with a 9/16â?? bolt head. The
>         design predated metrification in the US by a few decades. When
>         Rover went metric, sometime in the 80s probably, they retained
>         the US standard thread pattern while changing to a metric
>         standard bolt head. It would probably have been more costly to
>         retool the engine castings to switch to a metric thread pattern.
>
>         Bill Lawrence
>
>         BN1 #554
>
>         
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>         *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 7:13 PM
>         *To:* WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <ynotink@msn.com
>         *Cc:* simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com
>         <simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com
>         Caroline Quinn <p_cquinn@tpg.com.au
>         *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Today's Rant
>
>         Gm did that to rationalize tools as you say, but save money on
>         not converting thread and pitch to metric. I had a 87 Olds
>         with that exact situation. But also standards bolts heads too
>         in some areas.
>
>         Ira Erbs
>         Portland,OR
>         59 BN4
>         67MGB
>         65 AH Sprite
>         phone makes it's own choices. Forgive typos
>
>         On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 11:39 AM WILLIAM B LAWRENCE
>
>             In the midst of my recent Rover V8 rebuild I was surprised
>             to discover that while all of the fasteners used metric
>             wrench sizes many in the short block used the UNC thread
>             type ie: a 3/8" coarse bolt with a 13 mm head. I assume
>             that Rover simply continued the UNC pattern of the
>             original GM castings and changed the head size to simplify
>             tool inventory.
>
>             Bill Lawrence
>
>             BN1 #554
>
>             
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>             *From:*Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net
>             simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com
>             <simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com
>             *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 12:20 AM
>             *To:* 'Patrick & Caroline Quinn' <p_cquinn@tpg.com.au
>             *Cc:* 'Healeys' <healeys@autox.team.net
>             *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Today's Rant
>
>             I have a vague memory of what we called â??Transitional
>             Roversâ?? ie a mix of Imperial and Metric. All ¾ tonner long
>             wheel-base. All UK based. They may have been peculiar to
>             the army.
>
>             Glad I wasnâ??t in REMEâ?¦..they had to maintain them.
>
>             Simon
>
>             *From:*Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net
>             *Patrick & Caroline Quinn
>             *Sent:* 23 April 2020 00:23
>             *To:* 'David Nock' <healeydoc@gmail.com
>             *Cc:* 'Healeys' <healeys@autox.team.net
>             *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Today's Rant
>
>             Gâ??day
>
>             Not long after I bought my first 100 back in 1972 I turned
>             21 and one of the birthday gifts I received was a set of
>             BSF spanners and sockets. I still have them.
>
>             Now I have three sets of tools. BSF for the Healey Saloon.
>             AF for the 100 BN3 and metric for the Hilux, Mercedes and
>             around the house. There are many variations of each for
>             specific purposes.
>
>             Hoo Roo
>
>             Patrick Quinn
>
>             Blue Mountains, Australia
>
>             *From:*Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] *On
>             Behalf Of *David Nock
>             *Sent:* Wednesday, 22 April 2020 11:59 PM
>             *To:* Michael MacLean
>             *Cc:* Healeys
>             *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Today's Rant
>
>             All the threads on the 100/4 engine are BSF not
>             Whitworth.  Whitworth is a coarse thread.
>
>             However the wrench sizes are interchangeable. They are one
>             size apart from each other.
>
>             The threads on the small plate are 1/4 bsf and the gen
>             bracket is 5/16 bsf. Also look close there are some of the
>             studs that go thru into the cooling system.
>
>             David Nock
>
>             Sent from my iPhone
>
>             On Apr 21, 2020, at 10:18 PM, Michael MacLean
>             wrote:
>
>                 
>
>                 So, I am getting ready to install the head on my 100
>                 short block.  Made sure all the intake valves have the
>                 new seals I bought from British Car Specialists plus
>                 the new set of springs I already had for the valves. 
>                 The two mating surfaces were cleaned with a white
>                 (finest grit) Roloc brush.  I have the correct head
>                 gasket (copper faced). Tonight was the night to torque
>                 the head down to the block.  My surprise, for some
>                 stupid reason I only ordered 8 new head nuts.  I
>                 managed to order the correct amount of washer for the
>                 head. No idea what my pea brain was thinking. Also
>                 found out the head nuts are Whitworth (3/8")  size.  I
>                 have a Whitworth socket set, so tragedy averted there.
>                 I seem to remember someone talking about the water
>                 jacket blanking plate earlier this week.  That made me
>                 look at the front of my block.  Three studs and an
>                 empty hole.  No cover.  I managed to find two blanking
>                 covers in my stash of parts and a gasket in my gasket
>                 set.  Woohoo, but no nuts or lock washers. Can someone
>                 tell me if these little nuts that I do not have are
>                 Whitworth nuts.  If so, what size?  I have a generator
>                 bracket, but there are no threaded studs for the block
>                 or nuts to mount it with. Once again, Whitworth? The
>                 closer I get to putting this together the more stuff I
>                 find out I don't have.
>
>                 Mike MacLean
>
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    <p>Quite possible the car was made in Italy by Fiat? It least that
      is where (som of) the Jeeps in Europe are coming from I believe<br>
    </p>
    <p>Kees Oudesluijs</p>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Op 24-4-2020 om 19:18 schreef Bob
      England:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Ira
            â?¦ USofA is not immune to the creeping metric menace â?¦ I had
            a 1995 Jeep Cherokee bought new â?¦ went to change the water
            pump �. 9 bolts � 5 metric and 4 imperial  � worst yet, had
            to change one of the dash light bulbs â?¦ took off the dash
            cover â?¦ â??LUCASâ?? â?¦. Iâ??m still in therapy â?¦ BobE 
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"
                lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"
              lang="EN-US"> Healeys
              [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" 
href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";>mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>]
 <b>On Behalf Of </b>i
              erbs<br>
              <b>Sent:</b> April 24, 2020 10:05 AM<br>
              <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" 
href="mailto:simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com";>simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com</a><br>
              <b>Cc:</b> Healeys<br>
              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Today's Rant<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Yup,<o:p></o:p></p>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">The US was
              going to convert, but busineses and manufacturers raised a
              storm over the cost to convert, so it never
              officially happened. <o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">Ira Erbs<br>
                Portland,OR<br>
                59 BN4<br>
                67MGB<br>
                65 AH Sprite<br>
                phone makes it's own choices. Forgive typos<o:p></o:p></p>
            </div>
          </div>
        </div>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Apr 24, 2020, 2:15 AM &lt;<a
                href="mailto:simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com";
                moz-do-not-send="true">simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com</a>&gt;
              wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                    lang="EN-GB">â??Flirtedâ??? To tell the truth, Iâ??d never
                    given it much thought but had â??assumedâ?? that the US
                    had resisted metrification. Donâ??t I recall that all
                    oil-producing kit is Imperial because of US
                    domination in that area? And 
planes��?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                    lang="EN-GB">I do know that, when Ted â??The Grocerâ??
                    Heath dragged the UK into the Common Market, we were
                    supposed to go Metric. There were some hiccups along
                    the way. A pint of beer remains a pint. As did a
                    pint of milk whilst milk bottles still existed. 
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                    lang="EN-GB">EU: â??You must cease drinking pints
                    forthwith. You will obeyâ??.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                    lang="EN-GB">UK: â??Wonâ??t. Canâ??t. 
Shanâ??tâ??.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                    lang="EN-GB">Etcetc Finally:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                    lang="EN-GB">EU: â??You will obeyâ??.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                    lang="EN-GB">UK: â??OK. We will keep pint glasses
                    (From which we will drink proper beer unlike your
                    pallid Europ*ss). We will refer to those glasses as
                    â??pintsâ?? whilst acknowledging that they 
contain<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                    lang="EN-GB">568.261ml litres each.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                    lang="EN-GB">EU: â??Zut, alors. We surrender. Have
                    some cheeseâ??.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                    lang="EN-GB">Arenâ??t we all allowed the occasional
                    rant?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                    lang="EN-GB">Simon<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    lang="EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
                        lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US">
                      i erbs &lt;<a href="mailto:eyera3000@gmail.com";
                        target="_blank" 
moz-do-not-send="true">eyera3000@gmail.com</a>&gt;
                      <br>
                      <b>Sent:</b> 24 April 2020 02:55<br>
                      <b>To:</b> WILLIAM B LAWRENCE &lt;<a
                        href="mailto:ynotink@msn.com"; target="_blank"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">ynotink@msn.com</a>&gt;<br>
                      <b>Cc:</b> <a
                        href="mailto:simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com";
                        target="_blank" 
moz-do-not-send="true">simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com</a>;
                      Patrick &amp; Caroline Quinn &lt;<a
                        href="mailto:p_cquinn@tpg.com.au";
                        target="_blank" 
moz-do-not-send="true">p_cquinn@tpg.com.au</a>&gt;;
                      Healeys &lt;<a
                        href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";
                        target="_blank" 
moz-do-not-send="true">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br>
                      <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Today's Rant</span><span
                      lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                    lang="EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                      lang="EN-GB">When the US flirted with metrifying
                      and production when to canada and mexico they made
                      standard threaded bolts with metric heads so
                      factories there could use metric 
tools<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                        lang="EN-GB">Ira Erbs<br>
                        Portland,OR<br>
                        59 BN4<br>
                        67MGB<br>
                        65 AH Sprite<br>
                        phone makes it's own choices. Forgive 
typos<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                    lang="EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                        lang="EN-GB">On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 6:17 PM
                        WILLIAM B LAWRENCE &lt;<a
                          href="mailto:ynotink@msn.com"; target="_blank"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">ynotink@msn.com</a>&gt;
                        wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                            lang="EN-GB">I think you have it backwards.
                            The original GM design would have used the
                            UNC thread pattern with a 9/16â?? bolt head.
                            The design predated metrification in the US
                            by a few decades. When Rover went metric,
                            sometime in the 80s probably, they retained
                            the US standard thread pattern while
                            changing to a metric standard bolt head. It
                            would probably have been more costly to
                            retool the engine castings to switch to a
                            metric thread pattern.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                            lang="EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                            lang="EN-GB">Bill Lawrence <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      </div>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                            lang="EN-GB">BN1 #554<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                        align="center"><span lang="EN-GB">
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
                              style="color:black" 
lang="EN-GB">From:</span></b><span
                            style="color:black" lang="EN-GB"> i erbs
                            &lt;<a href="mailto:eyera3000@gmail.com";
                              target="_blank" 
moz-do-not-send="true">eyera3000@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
                            <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 23, 2020 7:13
                            PM<br>
                            <b>To:</b> WILLIAM B LAWRENCE &lt;<a
                              href="mailto:ynotink@msn.com";
                              target="_blank" 
moz-do-not-send="true">ynotink@msn.com</a>&gt;<br>
                            <b>Cc:</b> <a
                              href="mailto:simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com";
                              target="_blank" 
moz-do-not-send="true">simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com</a>
                            &lt;<a
                              href="mailto:simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com";
                              target="_blank" 
moz-do-not-send="true">simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com</a>&gt;;
                            Patrick &amp; Caroline Quinn &lt;<a
                              href="mailto:p_cquinn@tpg.com.au";
                              target="_blank" 
moz-do-not-send="true">p_cquinn@tpg.com.au</a>&gt;;
                            Healeys &lt;<a
                              href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";
                              target="_blank" 
moz-do-not-send="true">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br>
                            <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Today's 
Rant</span><span
                            lang="EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                              lang="EN-GB">Gm did that to rationalize
                              tools as you say, but save money on not
                              converting thread and pitch to metric. I
                              had a 87 Olds with that exact situation.
                              But also standards bolts heads too in some
                              areas. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                lang="EN-GB">Ira Erbs<br>
                                Portland,OR<br>
                                59 BN4<br>
                                67MGB<br>
                                65 AH Sprite<br>
                                phone makes it's own choices. Forgive
                                typos<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                            lang="EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                        <div>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                lang="EN-GB">On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 11:39
                                AM WILLIAM B LAWRENCE &lt;<a
                                  href="mailto:ynotink@msn.com";
                                  target="_blank" 
moz-do-not-send="true">ynotink@msn.com</a>&gt;
                                wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                    style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">In
                                    the midst of my recent Rover V8
                                    rebuild I was surprised to discover
                                    that while all of the fasteners used
                                    metric wrench sizes many in the
                                    short block used the UNC thread type
                                    ie: a 3/8" coarse bolt with a 13 mm
                                    head. I assume that Rover simply
                                    continued the UNC pattern of the
                                    original GM castings and changed the
                                    head size to simplify tool
                                    inventory.</span><span 
lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                    style="color:black" 
lang="EN-GB"> </span><span
                                    lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                    style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">Bill
                                    Lawrence</span><span 
lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                    style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">BN1
                                    #554</span><span 
lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
                                      style="color:black" 
lang="EN-GB">From:</span></b><span
                                    style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">
                                    Healeys &lt;<a
                                      
href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";
                                      target="_blank"
                                      
moz-do-not-send="true">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&gt;
                                    on behalf of <a
                                      
href="mailto:simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com";
                                      target="_blank"
                                      
moz-do-not-send="true">simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com</a>
                                    &lt;<a
                                      
href="mailto:simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com";
                                      target="_blank"
                                      
moz-do-not-send="true">simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com</a>&gt;<br>
                                    <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 23,
                                    2020 12:20 AM<br>
                                    <b>To:</b> 'Patrick &amp; Caroline
                                    Quinn' &lt;<a
                                      href="mailto:p_cquinn@tpg.com.au";
                                      target="_blank"
                                      
moz-do-not-send="true">p_cquinn@tpg.com.au</a>&gt;<br>
                                    <b>Cc:</b> 'Healeys' &lt;<a
                                      href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";
                                      target="_blank"
                                      
moz-do-not-send="true">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br>
                                    <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys]
                                    Today's Rant</span><span
                                    lang="EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                <div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                      lang="EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                <div>
                                  <p><span lang="EN-GB">I have a vague
                                      memory of what we called
                                      â??Transitional Roversâ?? ie a mix of
                                      Imperial and Metric. All ¾ tonner
                                      long wheel-base. All UK based.
                                      They may have been peculiar to the
                                      army.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                  <p><span lang="EN-GB">Glad I wasnâ??t in
                                      REMEâ?¦..they had to maintain 
them.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                  <p><span 
lang="EN-GB">Simon<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                  <p><span lang="EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                      <p><b><span 
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                                          lang="EN-US"> Healeys &lt;<a
                                            
href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";
                                            target="_blank"
                                            
moz-do-not-send="true">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&gt;
                                          <b>On Behalf Of </b>Patrick
                                          &amp; Caroline Quinn<br>
                                          <b>Sent:</b> 23 April 2020
                                          00:23<br>
                                          <b>To:</b> 'David Nock' &lt;<a
href="mailto:healeydoc@gmail.com"; target="_blank" 
moz-do-not-send="true">healeydoc@gmail.com</a>&gt;;
                                          'Michael MacLean' &lt;<a
                                            
href="mailto:rrengineer.mike@att.net";
                                            target="_blank"
                                            
moz-do-not-send="true">rrengineer.mike@att.net</a>&gt;<br>
                                          <b>Cc:</b> 'Healeys' &lt;<a
                                            href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";
                                            target="_blank"
                                            
moz-do-not-send="true">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br>
                                          <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys]
                                          Today's Rant</span><span
                                          lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                    </div>
                                  </div>
                                  <p><span lang="EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                  <p><span lang="EN-AU">Gâ??day</span><span
                                      lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                  <p><span lang="EN-AU"> </span><span
                                      lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                  <p><span lang="EN-AU">Not long after I
                                      bought my first 100 back in 1972 I
                                      turned 21 and one of the birthday
                                      gifts I received was a set of BSF
                                      spanners and sockets. I still have
                                      them.</span><span 
lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                  <p><span lang="EN-AU"> </span><span
                                      lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                  <p><span lang="EN-AU">Now I have three
                                      sets of tools. BSF for the Healey
                                      Saloon. AF for the 100 BN3 and
                                      metric for the Hilux, Mercedes and
                                      around the house. There are many
                                      variations of each for specific
                                      purposes.</span><span 
lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                  <p><span lang="EN-AU"> </span><span
                                      lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                  <p><span lang="EN-AU">Hoo Roo</span><span
                                      lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                  <p><span lang="EN-AU"> </span><span
                                      lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                  <p><span lang="EN-AU">Patrick 
Quinn</span><span
                                      lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                  <p><span lang="EN-AU">Blue Mountains,
                                      Australia</span><span 
lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                  <p><span lang="EN-AU"> </span><span
                                      lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                  <div>
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                                      <p><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"
                                            lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"
                                          lang="EN-US"> Healeys [<a
                                            
href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";
                                            target="_blank"
                                            
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>]
                                          <b>On Behalf Of </b>David
                                          Nock<br>
                                          <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 22
                                          April 2020 11:59 PM<br>
                                          <b>To:</b> Michael MacLean<br>
                                          <b>Cc:</b> Healeys<br>
                                          <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys]
                                          Today's Rant</span><span
                                          lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                    </div>
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                                  <p><span lang="EN-AU"> </span><span
                                      lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                  <p><span lang="EN-AU">All the threads
                                      on the 100/4 engine are BSF not
                                      Whitworth.  Whitworth is a coarse
                                      thread. </span><span 
lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                  <div>
                                    <p><span lang="EN-AU">However the
                                        wrench sizes are
                                        interchangeable. They are one
                                        size apart from each 
other. </span><span
                                        lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p><span lang="EN-AU"> </span><span
                                        lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                                        lang="EN-AU">The threads on the
                                        small plate are 1/4 bsf and the
                                        gen bracket is 5/16 bsf. Also
                                        look close there are some of the
                                        studs that go thru into the
                                        cooling system. </span><span
                                        lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                    <div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p><span lang="EN-AU">David 
Nock</span><span
                                            lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p><span lang="EN-AU"> </span><span
                                            lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <p><span lang="EN-AU">Sent from my
                                          iPhone</span><span
                                          lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                      <p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                                          lang="EN-AU"> </span><span
                                          lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                                          lang="EN-AU">On Apr 21, 2020,
                                          at 10:18 PM, Michael MacLean
                                          &lt;<a
                                            
href="mailto:rrengineer.mike@att.net";
                                            target="_blank"
                                            
moz-do-not-send="true">rrengineer.mike@att.net</a>&gt;
                                          wrote:</span><span
                                          lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                        <p><span
                                            
style="font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"
                                            lang="EN-AU"></span><span
                                            lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                          <div>
                                            <p><span lang="EN-AU">So, I
                                                am getting ready to
                                                install the head on my
                                                100 short block.  Made
                                                sure all the intake
                                                valves have the new
                                                seals I bought from
                                                British Car Specialists
                                                plus the new set of
                                                springs I already had
                                                for the valves.  The two
                                                mating surfaces were
                                                cleaned with a white
                                                (finest grit) Roloc
                                                brush.  I have the
                                                correct head gasket
                                                (copper faced).  
                                                Tonight was the night to
                                                torque the head down to
                                                the block.  My surprise,
                                                for some stupid reason I
                                                only ordered 8 new head
                                                nuts.  I managed to
                                                order the correct amount
                                                of washer for the head. 
                                                No idea what my pea
                                                brain was thinking. 
                                                Also found out the head
                                                nuts are Whitworth
                                                (3/8")  size.  I have a
                                                Whitworth socket set, so
                                                tragedy averted there. 
                                                I seem to remember
                                                someone talking about
                                                the water jacket
                                                blanking plate earlier
                                                this week.  That made me
                                                look at the front of my
                                                block.  Three studs and
                                                an empty hole.  No
                                                cover.  I managed to
                                                find two blanking covers
                                                in my stash of parts and
                                                a gasket in my gasket
                                                set.  Woohoo, but no
                                                nuts or lock washers. 
                                                Can someone tell me if
                                                these little nuts that I
                                                do not have are
                                                Whitworth nuts.  If so,
                                                what size?  I have a
                                                generator bracket, but
                                                there are no threaded
                                                studs for the block or
                                                nuts to mount it with. 
                                                Once again, Whitworth? 
                                                The closer I get to
                                                putting this together
                                                the more stuff I find
                                                out I don't have.</span><span
                                                
lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                            <p><span lang="EN-AU">Mike
                                                MacLean</span><span
                                                
lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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