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Re: [Healeys] Today's Rant

To: i erbs <eyera3000@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Today's Rant
From: "55healey@comcast.net" <55healey@comcast.net>
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 09:48:16 -0700
Cc: Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
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References: <740486833.739391.1587532668624@mail.yahoo.com> <A5494781-2977-49D6-BE30-3FCFA5B33A42@gmail.com> <004801d618fc$e7d1cd40$b77567c0$@tpg.com.au> <000501d61904$f86aa2f0$e93fe8d0$@alexarevel.plus.com> <CY4PR15MB1847C722F43EAFEBF7ECCCB4A5D30@CY4PR15MB1847.namprd15.prod.outlook.com> <CABXhz8927J9Exbobrbe2UFsEO5uAcf7TDR83WN0niWp5BuwFyw@mail.gmail.com> <CY4PR15MB184714B23D6DB104C981CE41A5D30@CY4PR15MB1847.namprd15.prod.outlook.com> <CABXhz88ttnP4Ry0HmZShe0iFOvcwGZcdx=nCfjhwXnTK9Op7pQ@mail.gmail.com> <001901d61a18$add086f0$097194d0$@alexarevel.plus.com> <CABXhz8_-9AgZf4QinjXXkp59OK5OMrUi=7ei9Gi8vtbSqj6XCA@mail.gmail.com>
I figured it was just an excuse for the wrench manufacturers so they could 
continue making 2 sets of wrenches.

> On Apr 24, 2020, at 9:04 AM, i erbs <eyera3000@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Yup,
> The US was going to convert, but busineses and manufacturers raised a storm 
> over the cost to convert, so it never officially happened. 
> 
> Ira Erbs
> Portland,OR
> 59 BN4
> 67MGB
> 65 AH Sprite
> phone makes it's own choices. Forgive typos
> 
> On Fri, Apr 24, 2020, 2:15 AM <simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com> wrote:
> â??Flirtedâ??? To tell the truth, Iâ??d never given it much thought but had 
> â??assumedâ?? that the US had resisted metrification. Donâ??t I recall that 
> all oil-producing kit is Imperial because of US domination in that area? And 
> planes��?
> 
> I do know that, when Ted â??The Grocerâ?? Heath dragged the UK into the 
> Common Market, we were supposed to go Metric. There were some hiccups along 
> the way. A pint of beer remains a pint. As did a pint of milk whilst milk 
> bottles still existed. 
> 
> EU: â??You must cease drinking pints forthwith. You will obeyâ??.
> 
> UK: â??Wonâ??t. Canâ??t. Shanâ??tâ??.
> 
> Etcetc Finally:
> 
> EU: â??You will obeyâ??.
> 
> UK: â??OK. We will keep pint glasses (From which we will drink proper beer 
> unlike your pallid Europ*ss). We will refer to those glasses as â??pintsâ?? 
> whilst acknowledging that they contain
> 
> 568.261ml litres each.
> 
> EU: â??Zut, alors. We surrender. Have some cheeseâ??.
> 
> Arenâ??t we all allowed the occasional rant?
> 
> Simon
> 
>  
> 
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> 
> From: i erbs <eyera3000@gmail.com> 
> Sent: 24 April 2020 02:55
> To: WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <ynotink@msn.com>
> Cc: simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com; Patrick & Caroline Quinn 
> <p_cquinn@tpg.com.au>; Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Today's Rant
> 
>  
> 
> When the US flirted with metrifying and production when to canada and mexico 
> they made standard threaded bolts with metric heads so factories there could 
> use metric tools
> 
> Ira Erbs
> Portland,OR
> 59 BN4
> 67MGB
> 65 AH Sprite
> phone makes it's own choices. Forgive typos
> 
>  
> 
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 6:17 PM WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <ynotink@msn.com> wrote:
> 
> I think you have it backwards. The original GM design would have used the UNC 
> thread pattern with a 9/16â?? bolt head. The design predated metrification in 
> the US by a few decades. When Rover went metric, sometime in the 80s 
> probably, they retained the US standard thread pattern while changing to a 
> metric standard bolt head. It would probably have been more costly to retool 
> the engine castings to switch to a metric thread pattern.
> 
>  
> 
> Bill Lawrence 
> 
> BN1 #554
> 
> From: i erbs <eyera3000@gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 7:13 PM
> To: WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <ynotink@msn.com>
> Cc: simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com <simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com>; 
> Patrick & Caroline Quinn <p_cquinn@tpg.com.au>; Healeys 
> <healeys@autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Today's Rant
> 
>  
> 
> Gm did that to rationalize tools as you say, but save money on not converting 
> thread and pitch to metric. I had a 87 Olds with that exact situation. But 
> also standards bolts heads too in some areas. 
> 
> Ira Erbs
> Portland,OR
> 59 BN4
> 67MGB
> 65 AH Sprite
> phone makes it's own choices. Forgive typos
> 
>  
> 
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 11:39 AM WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <ynotink@msn.com> wrote:
> 
> In the midst of my recent Rover V8 rebuild I was surprised to discover that 
> while all of the fasteners used metric wrench sizes many in the short block 
> used the UNC thread type ie: a 3/8" coarse bolt with a 13 mm head. I assume 
> that Rover simply continued the UNC pattern of the original GM castings and 
> changed the head size to simplify tool inventory.
> 
>  
> 
> Bill Lawrence
> 
> BN1 #554
> 
> From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of 
> simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com <simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 12:20 AM
> To: 'Patrick & Caroline Quinn' <p_cquinn@tpg.com.au>
> Cc: 'Healeys' <healeys@autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Today's Rant
> 
>  
> 
> I have a vague memory of what we called â??Transitional Roversâ?? ie a mix of 
> Imperial and Metric. All ¾ tonner long wheel-base. All UK based. They may 
> have been peculiar to the army.
> 
> Glad I wasnâ??t in REMEâ?¦..they had to maintain them.
> 
> Simon
> 
>  
> 
> From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Patrick & 
> Caroline Quinn
> Sent: 23 April 2020 00:23
> To: 'David Nock' <healeydoc@gmail.com>; 'Michael MacLean' 
> <rrengineer.mike@att.net>
> Cc: 'Healeys' <healeys@autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Today's Rant
> 
>  
> 
> Gâ??day
> 
>  
> 
> Not long after I bought my first 100 back in 1972 I turned 21 and one of the 
> birthday gifts I received was a set of BSF spanners and sockets. I still have 
> them.
> 
>  
> 
> Now I have three sets of tools. BSF for the Healey Saloon. AF for the 100 BN3 
> and metric for the Hilux, Mercedes and around the house. There are many 
> variations of each for specific purposes.
> 
>  
> 
> Hoo Roo
> 
>  
> 
> Patrick Quinn
> 
> Blue Mountains, Australia
> 
>  
> 
> From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David Nock
> Sent: Wednesday, 22 April 2020 11:59 PM
> To: Michael MacLean
> Cc: Healeys
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Today's Rant
> 
>  
> 
> All the threads on the 100/4 engine are BSF not Whitworth.  Whitworth is a 
> coarse thread. 
> 
> However the wrench sizes are interchangeable. They are one size apart from 
> each other. 
> 
>  
> 
> The threads on the small plate are 1/4 bsf and the gen bracket is 5/16 bsf. 
> Also look close there are some of the studs that go thru into the cooling 
> system. 
> 
> David Nock
> 
>  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>  
> 
> On Apr 21, 2020, at 10:18 PM, Michael MacLean <rrengineer.mike@att.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> So, I am getting ready to install the head on my 100 short block.  Made sure 
> all the intake valves have the new seals I bought from British Car 
> Specialists plus the new set of springs I already had for the valves.  The 
> two mating surfaces were cleaned with a white (finest grit) Roloc brush.  I 
> have the correct head gasket (copper faced).   Tonight was the night to 
> torque the head down to the block.  My surprise, for some stupid reason I 
> only ordered 8 new head nuts.  I managed to order the correct amount of 
> washer for the head.  No idea what my pea brain was thinking.  Also found out 
> the head nuts are Whitworth (3/8")  size.  I have a Whitworth socket set, so 
> tragedy averted there.  I seem to remember someone talking about the water 
> jacket blanking plate earlier this week.  That made me look at the front of 
> my block.  Three studs and an empty hole.  No cover.  I managed to find two 
> blanking covers in my stash of parts and a gasket in my gasket set.  Woohoo, 
> but no nuts or lock washers.  Can someone tell me if these little nuts that I 
> do not have are Whitworth nuts.  If so, what size?  I have a generator 
> bracket, but there are no threaded studs for the block or nuts to mount it 
> with.  Once again, Whitworth?  The closer I get to putting this together the 
> more stuff I find out I don't have.
> 
> Mike MacLean
> 
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