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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Mark;<div>To clarify, SCCA only recommends =
FIA and/or SFI certification. As the SFI recertification process is largely a=
joke (send a photo of your bottle and gage along with check for $35 t=
o the manufacturer and you get a new certification sticker by return mail) t=
hey only recommend it. They do require that the manufacturers=E2=80=99 servi=
ce procedures be performed on the valve and actuation system, but these are n=
either part of the recertification process nor verifiable other than the own=
er=E2=80=99s word.</div><div>SVRA is requiring that the SFI or FIA rec=
ertification process be followed.</div><div>Phil </div><div><br></div><=
div><br></div><div><br id=3D"lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir=3D"lt=
r">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">O=
n Feb 21, 2024, at 2:47=E2=80=AFAM, Mark Cook via Fot <fot@autox.team.net=
> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"=
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--><div class=3D"WordSection1"><p class=3D"Ms=
oPlainText">SVRA has required a plumbed in onboard fire system since 2020 (w=
ith at least two nozzles). With the calendar year 2020 being a grace p=
eriod, it then became mandatory in 2021. For 2024, they added addition=
al FIA and SFI requirements to become consistent with NASA and SCCA.<o:p></o=
:p></p><p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoPlainTe=
xt">Having built a car to meet SCCA, NASA and BMW Club racing requirements, w=
ould not get in a race car without a fire system. Cheap insurance.<o:p=
></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoPla=
inText">Just for reference, the turnaround time for re-certifying/servicing f=
ire bottles is actually pretty quick. I dropped my SPA Extreme Novec 1=
230 off at UPS on Dec 21 and had it back by Dec 30. My Lifeline Novec 1=
230 was sent to Lifeline on Jan 12 and had it back by Jan 18, also by UPS gr=
ound. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=
=3D"MsoPlainText">Ever since Mark Petronis=E2=80=99 accident at NJMP in 2021=
, most sanctioning bodies are beefing up fire system requirements. SVR=
A was a little slow.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:=
p></p><p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><a href=3D"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D=
DUS5tYBLycc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DDUS5tYBLycc</a><o:p></o:p></p=
><p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Ma=
rk Cook<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><=
o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F49=
7D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:=
#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-t=
op:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>=
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-se=
rif"">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"=
;Tahoma","sans-serif""> Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.ne=
t] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ken Knight via Fot<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 2=
0, 2024 5:01 PM<br><b>To:</b> Brad Eells<br><b>Cc:</b> FOT Triumph<br><b>Sub=
ject:</b> Re: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal">I called my company, Safecraft, and my bottle is just bey=
ond when they will recertify again. So $640 and the new bottle is on o=
rder. They were kind enough to direct me to Summit Racing where I got i=
t cheaper than direct. All is in stock and they are just up the 101 fr=
om me in the bay area so I should have it in plenty of time. Systems a=
t Pegasus were running $750-1200 if you needing the full kit with 2 pulls.&n=
bsp; Just FYI.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal">It is not that I mind doing this, I witnessed a car fire d=
uring a race last year (fire suit saved the driver from injury). It is=
dropping this on us at the last minute that is the problem. I doubt t=
hey just thought up this rule last week, and possible folks within SVRA knew=
about this, but we did not.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> =
;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I hope this does not cause problems for an=
yone else trying to make the K Cup and facing a long tow.<o:p></o:p></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ken<o:p></o:p=
></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent=
from <a href=3D"https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986";>Mail</a> f=
or Windows<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div st=
yle=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From: </b><a href=3D"mailto:tr4abrad@gmail.com";>B=
rad Eells</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, February 20, 2024 1:37 PM<br><b>To: <=
/b><a href=3D"mailto:kknight@klaenv.com";>Ken Knight</a><br><b>Cc: </b><a hre=
f=3D"mailto:vfracing@aol.com";>vfracing@aol.com</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:fot@au=
tox.team.net">FOT Triumph</a><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire Sy=
stem Requirements for Kastner Cup<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Interesting, as this may be an i=
ssue for the K-Cup this year. Running at Sonoma with SVRA 8 weeks from now.<=
o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p=
class=3D"MsoNormal">That said, when rebuilding the Spitfire, I chose an SPA=
aqueous foam system with 4 distribution nozzles and 3 actuators; one outsid=
e, one on the dash and the bottle handle itself.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p=
class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Brad E=
ells<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p=
></p></div></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">=
<o:p> </o:p></p><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0=
pt"><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">On Feb 20, 2024, a=
t 3:31=E2=80=AFPM, Ken Knight via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:<o:p>=
</o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bo=
ttom:5.0pt"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=EF=BB=BF<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal">So with a very short time get this done, this is the New rule?&nb=
sp; Had we known this, oh say last fall, it could have been a winter project=
. Some of this is not hard but sending your system off to get a recert=
ification could very well be a major problem in these times. So what i=
s the alternative, buy a new system? Some of us have already committed=
to race with our home clubs in mid March, then it is a short turn around un=
til Sonoma. Pretty well leaves us in a major bind as far I can tell, n=
ot to mention a potential large expense.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">We were encouraged to sign up f=
or the K Cup with SVRA, plus Laguna, under the assumption that if our cars w=
ere legal in our home clubs they would be allowed to run as is. Droppi=
ng this mandatory rule on us at the last minute does not sit well. No o=
ne wants to be unsafe, I don=E2=80=99t think the rule is that unreasonable, b=
ut the timing to get this done is unreasonable.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ken<o:p></o:p></p><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent from <a h=
ref=3D"https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986";>Mail</a> for Window=
s<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p><div style=3D"bo=
rder:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From: </b><a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>vfracing--=
- via Fot</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, February 20, 2024 12:46 PM<br><b>To: <=
/b><a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>FOT Triumph</a><br><b>Subject: </b>=
[Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup<o:p></o:p></p></div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div id=3D"ydpcd388636yiv1=
885551611"><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12=
.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Advanced warning:=
</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-=
size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">The SVRA r=
ules on fire systems are much more strict than SCCA and some of the other sa=
nctioning bodies such as VRG. Notably, plumbed in systems are required=
, and they must have two activation points, one accessible to the driver and=
the other accessible to a course worker without having to lean into the car=
. Furthermore, they must be re-certified every two years. Note t=
hat these are requirements, not recommendations, and new this year (2024)</s=
pan><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> </span>=
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12=
.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">For more detail, p=
lease see Section L of Safety Requirements at <a href=3D"https://svra.c=
om/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/SVRA-General-Rules-1_24.pdf" target=3D"_blank"=
>https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/SVRA-General-Rules-1_24.pdf</a>=
.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font=
-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> </s=
pan><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Regards,</spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:=
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