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SVRA has required a plumbed in onboard fire system since 2020 (with at =
least two nozzles). With the calendar year 2020 being a grace period, =
it then became mandatory in 2021. For 2024, they added additional FIA =
and SFI requirements to become consistent with NASA and SCCA.
=20
Having built a car to meet SCCA, NASA and BMW Club racing requirements, =
would not get in a race car without a fire system. Cheap insurance.
=20
Just for reference, the turnaround time for re-certifying/servicing fire =
bottles is actually pretty quick. I dropped my SPA Extreme Novec 1230 =
off at UPS on Dec 21 and had it back by Dec 30. My Lifeline Novec 1230 =
was sent to Lifeline on Jan 12 and had it back by Jan 18, also by UPS =
ground.=20
=20
Ever since Mark Petronis=E2=80=99 accident at NJMP in 2021, most =
sanctioning bodies are beefing up fire system requirements. SVRA was a =
little slow.
=20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DDUS5tYBLycc
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Mark Cook
=20
=20
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From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ken Knight =
via Fot
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2024 5:01 PM
To: Brad Eells
Cc: FOT Triumph
Subject: Re: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup
=20
I called my company, Safecraft, and my bottle is just beyond when they =
will recertify again. So $640 and the new bottle is on order. They =
were kind enough to direct me to Summit Racing where I got it cheaper =
than direct. All is in stock and they are just up the 101 from me in =
the bay area so I should have it in plenty of time. Systems at Pegasus =
were running $750-1200 if you needing the full kit with 2 pulls. Just =
FYI.
=20
It is not that I mind doing this, I witnessed a car fire during a race =
last year (fire suit saved the driver from injury). It is dropping this =
on us at the last minute that is the problem. I doubt they just thought =
up this rule last week, and possible folks within SVRA knew about this, =
but we did not.
=20
I hope this does not cause problems for anyone else trying to make the K =
Cup and facing a long tow.
=20
Ken
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Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986> for =
Windows
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Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2024 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup
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Interesting, as this may be an issue for the K-Cup this year. Running at =
Sonoma with SVRA 8 weeks from now.
=20
That said, when rebuilding the Spitfire, I chose an SPA aqueous foam =
system with 4 distribution nozzles and 3 actuators; one outside, one on =
the dash and the bottle handle itself.
=20
Brad Eells
Sent from my iPhone
=20
On Feb 20, 2024, at 3:31=E2=80=AFPM, Ken Knight via Fot =
<fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
=EF=BB=BF
So with a very short time get this done, this is the New rule? Had we =
known this, oh say last fall, it could have been a winter project. Some =
of this is not hard but sending your system off to get a recertification =
could very well be a major problem in these times. So what is the =
alternative, buy a new system? Some of us have already committed to =
race with our home clubs in mid March, then it is a short turn around =
until Sonoma. Pretty well leaves us in a major bind as far I can tell, =
not to mention a potential large expense.
=20
We were encouraged to sign up for the K Cup with SVRA, plus Laguna, =
under the assumption that if our cars were legal in our home clubs they =
would be allowed to run as is. Dropping this mandatory rule on us at =
the last minute does not sit well. No one wants to be unsafe, I =
don=E2=80=99t think the rule is that unreasonable, but the timing to get =
this done is unreasonable.
=20
Ken
=20
Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986> for =
Windows
=20
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2024 12:46 PM
Subject: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner Cup
=20
Advanced warning:
The SVRA rules on fire systems are much more strict than SCCA and some =
of the other sanctioning bodies such as VRG. Notably, plumbed in =
systems are required, and they must have two activation points, one =
accessible to the driver and the other accessible to a course worker =
without having to lean into the car. Furthermore, they must be =
re-certified every two years. Note that these are requirements, not =
recommendations, and new this year (2024)
=20
For more detail, please see Section L of Safety Requirements at =
https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/SVRA-General-Rules-1_24.pdf.
=20
Regards,
=20
Phil Gott
=20
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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoPlainText>SVRA has required a plumbed =
in onboard fire system since 2020 (with at least two nozzles).=C2=A0 =
With the calendar year 2020 being a grace period, it then became =
mandatory in 2021.=C2=A0 For 2024, they added additional FIA and SFI =
requirements to become consistent with NASA and SCCA.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>Having =
built a car to meet SCCA, NASA and BMW Club racing requirements, would =
not get in a race car without a fire system.=C2=A0 Cheap =
insurance.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>Just for reference, the turnaround time for =
re-certifying/servicing fire bottles is actually pretty quick.=C2=A0 I =
dropped my SPA Extreme Novec 1230 off at UPS on Dec 21 and had it back =
by Dec 30.=C2=A0 My Lifeline Novec 1230 was sent to Lifeline on Jan 12 =
and had it back by Jan 18, also by UPS ground. <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>Ever =
since Mark Petronis=E2=80=99 accident at NJMP in 2021, most sanctioning =
bodies are beefing up fire system requirements.=C2=A0 SVRA was a little =
slow.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><a =
href=3D"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DDUS5tYBLycc";>https://www.youtub=
e.com/watch?v=3DDUS5tYBLycc</a><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>Mark =
Cook<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ken Knight =
via Fot<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 20, 2024 5:01 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
Brad Eells<br><b>Cc:</b> FOT Triumph<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Heads =
Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner =
Cup<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I called my =
company, Safecraft, and my bottle is just beyond when they will =
recertify again. So $640 and the new bottle is on order. =
They were kind enough to direct me to Summit Racing where I got it =
cheaper than direct. All is in stock and they are just up the 101 =
from me in the bay area so I should have it in plenty of time. =
Systems at Pegasus were running $750-1200 if you needing the full kit =
with 2 pulls. Just FYI.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>It is not =
that I mind doing this, I witnessed a car fire during a race last year =
(fire suit saved the driver from injury). It is dropping this on =
us at the last minute that is the problem. I doubt they just =
thought up this rule last week, and possible folks within SVRA knew =
about this, but we did not.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I hope this =
does not cause problems for anyone else trying to make the K Cup and =
facing a long tow.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Ken<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Sent from <a =
href=3D"https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986";>Mail</a> for =
Windows<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From: </b><a =
href=3D"mailto:tr4abrad@gmail.com";>Brad Eells</a><br><b>Sent: =
</b>Tuesday, February 20, 2024 1:37 PM<br><b>To: </b><a =
href=3D"mailto:kknight@klaenv.com";>Ken Knight</a><br><b>Cc: </b><a =
href=3D"mailto:vfracing@aol.com";>vfracing@aol.com</a>; <a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>FOT Triumph</a><br><b>Subject: =
</b>Re: [Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner =
Cup<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Interesting, as this may be an issue for the K-Cup =
this year. Running at Sonoma with SVRA 8 weeks from =
now.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>That said, when rebuilding the Spitfire, I chose an =
SPA aqueous foam system with 4 distribution nozzles and 3 actuators; one =
outside, one on the dash and the bottle handle =
itself.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Brad =
Eells<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Sent from my =
iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On Feb 20, 2024, at 3:31=E2=80=AFPM, Ken =
Knight via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>=EF=BB=BF<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>So with a =
very short time get this done, this is the New rule? Had we known =
this, oh say last fall, it could have been a winter project. Some =
of this is not hard but sending your system off to get a recertification =
could very well be a major problem in these times. So what is the =
alternative, buy a new system? Some of us have already committed =
to race with our home clubs in mid March, then it is a short turn around =
until Sonoma. Pretty well leaves us in a major bind as far I can =
tell, not to mention a potential large expense.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>We were =
encouraged to sign up for the K Cup with SVRA, plus Laguna, under the =
assumption that if our cars were legal in our home clubs they would be =
allowed to run as is. Dropping this mandatory rule on us at the =
last minute does not sit well. No one wants to be unsafe, I =
don=E2=80=99t think the rule is that unreasonable, but the timing to get =
this done is unreasonable.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Ken<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Sent from <a =
href=3D"https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986";>Mail</a> for =
Windows<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From: </b><a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>vfracing--- via Fot</a><br><b>Sent: =
</b>Tuesday, February 20, 2024 12:46 PM<br><b>To: </b><a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>FOT Triumph</a><br><b>Subject: =
</b>[Fot] Heads Up! Fire System Requirements for Kastner =
Cup<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div =
id=3Dydpcd388636yiv1885551611><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Advanced =
warning:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>The SVRA =
rules on fire systems are much more strict than SCCA and some of the =
other sanctioning bodies such as VRG. Notably, plumbed in systems =
are required, and they must have two activation points, one accessible =
to the driver and the other accessible to a course worker without having =
to lean into the car. Furthermore, they must be re-certified every =
two years. Note that these are requirements, not recommendations, =
and new this year (2024)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span>=
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>For more =
detail, please see Section L of Safety Requirements at <a =
href=3D"https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/SVRA-General-Rules-1_=
24.pdf" =
target=3D"_blank">https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/SVRA-Genera=
l-Rules-1_24.pdf</a>.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span>=
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Regards,</spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span>=
<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Phil =
Gott</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
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