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Tesla have the jump on everyone with infrastructure...which makes owning
their products easier...
As for the cars.. The Koreans with the EV range from Hyundai and KIA seem
to have made big ground on Telsa and if the charging infrastructure becomes
more generic other brands will come along.
The Chinese cars have a huge diversity of products... Good and bad... How
many make it beyond their borders guven global tensions will be interesting=
.
On Tuesday, 4 October 2022, GARY WINBLAD <garywinblad@comcast.net> wrote:
> David,
> The Tesla supercharger network is pretty much what you want. Not every
> pole but...
> They are all over at least out in CA. It can add 200 miles in only 20
> minutes and they put them
> right by restaurants, shopping malls, coffee shops, hotels, etc. The big
> display on the dash tells you
> when you need a charge and directs you in. It gives options and it knows
> if there will be any
> wait or anything. Pretty impressive. The future is here.
> Unfortunately, that's why the only EV I would consider right now is a
> Tesla...
> Gary
>
> On 10/03/2022 1:11 PM David Sosna via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> Hey, Ron:
>
> I'll qualify my response by noting that I don't have an EV, so this is
> largely theoretical for me.
>
> I like the idea of a charger on each phone pole. Seriously. Travelling
> between cities it seems like I could stop at a handy phone pole, whip out
> my credit card, get information on what that particular electricity
> provider is selling a KWH for, go ahead with my transaction and get a
> receipt. Okay, SOMEbody has to make sure that the roll of receipt paper =
on
> each phone-pole charger is kept full. =F0=9F=98=89
>
> Given that my city is gradually undergrounding telephone and electric
> utilities, a lack of phone poles in a city doesn't seem like a big deal;
> conventional charging stations would be--in the same future of phone-pole
> chargers--as readily available there as gas stations are now.
>
> There's probably a lot of reasons why it wouldn't work and I'm guessing
> your suggestion was tongue-in-cheek, but I still like it--it's elegant. =
=F0=9F=98=81
>
> Best Regards
>
> David Sosna
>
>
> On 10/3/22 07:21, Ron Fraser wrote:
>
> I saw the All Girls Garage show and it seems to me the Borla rep stated
> that there were several different engine sounds in the controller includi=
ng
> Ferrari and more were being developed. Alright, a Prius with Ferrari
> engine sound.
>
>
> I think Borla found a niche for those who just can=E2=80=99t be without t=
he latest
> electronic gismo. Borla will make a profit until the craze evaporates o=
r
> a government body says NO more please.
>
>
> Seems to me California and New York have already banned the sale of petro=
l
> engine by 2035. My 1st question would be how many of those politicians
> own an EV now? My guess, few.
>
>
> IMO the politicians have jumped to step 20 without considering the
> consequences. The power grid is not ready, the charging stations are no=
t
> ready, battery technology is better but not totally ready for prime time
> and more important; until the EV range is specified for 20 degrees F, I=
=E2=80=99m
> not interested. Regional Transit here has some EV buses and if it get t=
oo
> cold they can=E2=80=99t use them, the range drops too far.
>
>
> I would only consider a Hybrid vehicle in snow country.
>
>
> EV vehicles are needed for major cities to clear the air but country folk=
s
> drive longer distances for everything including work. Some of those EV=
=E2=80=99s
> are going to leave people stranded in the winter unless they put a chargi=
ng
> station on every telephone pole.
>
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
>
> *From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net>
> <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *GARY WINBLAD
> *Sent:* Monday, October 03, 2022 8:18 AM
> *To:* Jim B <jbsyv@yahoo.com> <jbsyv@yahoo.com>; Jim B via Tigers
> <tigers@autox.team.net> <tigers@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] The answer to a question that no one asked...
>
>
> This same thing happened when horses became obsolete, some people just
> don't adapt
>
> to modern technology.
>
> Nothing wrong with electric cars except the price and fear that the power
> grid won't support
>
> all of them.
>
> Most of us Tiger guys won't live long enough (unfortunately) to worry
> about this one.
>
> Most of my miles now is our Prius Prime running on solar panel charged
> electricity. All
>
> our local trips can be done with the 30 mile ranged but it gets 70MPG on
> trips, great
>
> transportation device!
>
> 73,
>
> Gary
>
> Oh, I like that sound device, I have been thinking of how I could build
> one myself. The
>
> Prius has the worst worn out brake pad sound of scraping, screeching
> sounder to warm blind
>
> pedestrians.. where the heck did they come up with that, a V8 burble woul=
d
> be so much
>
> better.
>
> On 10/03/2022 1:00 AM Jim B via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> Okay, here is my take. My first impression is this is as stupid as stupid
> gets. I did hear somewhere that =E2=80=9Csome=E2=80=9D people are worried=
about deaf and/or
> blind folks not being able to hear an approaching EV. From experience, I
> can tell you that NO ONE even hears my F150. Many people step into traffi=
c
> around here without even looking. We will probably replace my wife=E2=80=
=99s
> compact SUV with an EV in the near future. We already have a solar
> array designed to make up for the juice required and I plan to install a
> level 2 charger in the garage. We almost never travel far enough in that
> car to have to look for a charging station. As for us California guys,
> speaking for myself, I think I=E2=80=99ll be long gone before there is ab=
solutely
> no petrol to be had. Somewhere down the line, it will probably get very
> expensive to buy (as if it is not bad already) but, I have to actually ma=
ke
> a point of driving the Tiger and my big block Ford just to keep em runnin=
g
> right. Car shows and Sunday drives are the norm.
>
> With all that said; I kinda like the George Jetson sound idea! I can see
> EV drivers gettin creative with sound effects. That could be a hoot. AND,=
I
> have to admit that I clothes pinned playing cards into the spokes of my
> bicycle as a kid!
>
> JMHO
>
> Cheers
>
> Jim B
>
>
>
> On Oct 2, 2022, at 8:14 PM, Jim Sencindiver <jd.sencindiver@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Just saw (this weekend) the Borla system get installed on a Mustang MachE
> on an episode of All Girls Garage (Motor Trend TV).
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 2, 2022, 9:39 PM Stu <sabre2tgr@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Just what every EV owner needs...
>
>
>
> Borla Active Performance Sound for Electric Vehicles
> <https://www.borla.com/products/active-performance-sound-for-electric-veh=
icles/>
>
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Tesla have the jump on everyone with infrastructure...which makes owning th=
eir products easier...<div><br></div><div>As for the cars.. The Koreans wit=
h the EV range from Hyundai and KIA seem to have made big ground on Telsa a=
nd if the charging infrastructure becomes more generic other brands will co=
me along.</div><div><br></div><div>The Chinese cars have a huge diversity o=
f products... Good and bad... How many make it beyond their borders guven g=
lobal tensions will be interesting.</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><br>O=
n Tuesday, 4 October 2022, GARY WINBLAD <<a href=3D"mailto:garywinblad@c=
omcast.net">garywinblad@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"=
gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-=
left:1ex"><u></u>
=20
=20
=20
<div>
<div>
David,
<br>
</div>
<div>
=C2=A0The Tesla supercharger network is pretty much what you want.=C2=A0=
Not every pole but...
<br>
</div>
<div>
They are all over at least out in CA.=C2=A0 It can add 200 miles in only=
20 minutes and they put them
<br>
</div>
<div>
right by restaurants, shopping malls, coffee shops, hotels, etc.=C2=A0 T=
he big display on the dash tells you
<br>
</div>
<div>
when you need a charge and directs you in.=C2=A0 It gives options and it=
knows if there will be any
<br>
</div>
<div>
wait or anything.=C2=A0 Pretty impressive.=C2=A0 The future is here.
<br>
</div>
<div>
Unfortunately, that's why the only EV I would consider right now is =
a Tesla...
<br>
</div>
<div>
Gary
<br>
</div>
<div>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>
On 10/03/2022 1:11 PM David Sosna via Tigers <<a href=3D"mailto:tige=
rs@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">tigers@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:
</div>
<div>
<br>
</div>
<div>
<br>
</div>
<p>Hey, Ron:</p>
<p>I'll qualify my response by noting that I don't have an EV, s=
o this is largely theoretical for me.</p>
<p>I like the idea of a charger on each phone pole.=C2=A0 Seriously.=C2=
=A0 Travelling between cities it seems like I could stop at a handy phone p=
ole, whip out my credit card, get information on what that particular elect=
ricity provider is selling a KWH for, go ahead with my transaction and get =
a receipt.=C2=A0 Okay, SOMEbody has to make sure that the roll of receipt p=
aper on each phone-pole charger is kept full. =F0=9F=98=89</p>
<p>Given that my city is gradually undergrounding telephone and electric=
utilities, a lack of phone poles in a city doesn't seem like a big dea=
l; conventional charging stations would be--in the same future of phone-pol=
e chargers--as readily available there as gas stations are now.<br></p>
<p>There's probably a lot of reasons why it wouldn't work and I&=
#39;m guessing your suggestion was tongue-in-cheek, but I still like it--it=
's elegant. =F0=9F=98=81</p>
<p>Best Regards</p>
<p>David Sosna</p>
<p><br></p>
<div>
On 10/3/22 07:21, Ron Fraser wrote:
<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I saw the All Girls Garage show and it seems to=
me the Borla rep stated that there were several different engine sounds in=
the controller including Ferrari and more were being developed.=C2=A0=C2=
=A0 Alright, a Prius with Ferrari engine sound.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I think Borla found a niche for those who just =
can=E2=80=99t be without the latest electronic gismo.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Borla wil=
l make a profit until the craze evaporates or a government body says NO mor=
e please.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Seems to me California and New York have alread=
y banned the sale of petrol engine by 2035.=C2=A0=C2=A0 My 1<sup>st</sup> q=
uestion would be how many of those politicians own an EV now?=C2=A0=C2=A0 M=
y guess, few.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">IMO the politicians have jumped to step 20 with=
out considering the consequences.=C2=A0=C2=A0 The power grid is not ready, =
the charging stations are not ready, battery technology is better but not t=
otally ready for prime time and more important; until the EV range is speci=
fied for 20 degrees F, I=E2=80=99m not interested.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Regional Tra=
nsit here has some EV buses and if it get too cold they can=E2=80=99t use t=
hem, the range drops too far. =C2=A0=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I would only consider a Hybrid vehicle in snow =
country.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">EV vehicles are needed for major cities to clea=
r the air but country folks drive longer distances for everything including=
work.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Some of those EV=E2=80=99s are going to leave people str=
anded in the winter unless they put a charging station on every telephone p=
ole.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ron Fraser</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0p=
t 0in 0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><strong>From:</strong> Tigers <a href=3D"mail=
to:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank"><tigers-bounces@auto=
x.team.<wbr>net></a> <strong>On Behalf Of </strong>GARY WINBLAD<br><stro=
ng>Sent:</strong> Monday, October 03, 2022 8:18 AM<br><strong>To:</strong> =
Jim B <a href=3D"mailto:jbsyv@yahoo.com"; target=3D"_blank"><jbsyv@yahoo.=
com></a>; Jim B via Tigers <a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; targ=
et=3D"_blank"><tigers@autox.team.net></a><br><strong>Subject:</strong=
> Re: [Tigers] The answer to a question that no one asked...</p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">This same thing happened when horses became ob=
solete, some people just don't adapt</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">to modern technology.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Nothing wrong with electric cars except the pr=
ice and fear that the power grid won't support</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">all of them.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Most of us Tiger guys won't live long enou=
gh (unfortunately) to worry about this one.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Most of my miles now is our Prius Prime runnin=
g on solar panel charged electricity.=C2=A0 All</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">our local trips can be done with the 30 mile r=
anged but it gets 70MPG on trips, great</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">transportation device!</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">73,</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Gary</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Oh, I like that sound device, I have been thin=
king of how I could build one myself.=C2=A0 The</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Prius has the worst worn out brake pad sound o=
f scraping, screeching sounder to warm blind</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">pedestrians.. where the heck did they come up =
with that, a V8 burble would be so much</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">better.</p>
</div>
<blockquote>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 10/03/2022 1:00 AM Jim B via Tigers <<a=
href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">tigers@autox.team.=
net</a>> wrote:</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt">Okay, here is=
my take. My first impression is this is as stupid as stupid gets. I did=C2=
=A0hear=C2=A0somewhere that=C2=A0=E2=80=9Csome=E2=80=9D people are worried =
about deaf and/or blind folks not being able to hear an approaching EV. Fro=
m experience, I can tell you that NO ONE even hears my F150. Many people st=
ep into traffic around here without even looking. We will probably replace =
my wife=E2=80=99s compact SUV with an EV in the near future. We already hav=
e a solar array=C2=A0designed to make up for the juice required and I plan =
to install a level 2 charger in the garage. We almost never travel far enou=
gh in that car to have to look for a charging station. As for us California=
guys, speaking for myself, I think I=E2=80=99ll be long gone=C2=A0before t=
here is absolutely no petrol to be had. Somewhere down the line, it will pr=
obably get very expensive to buy (as if it is not bad already) but, I have =
to actually make a point of driving the Tiger and my big block Ford just to=
keep em running right. Car shows and Sunday drives are the norm.=C2=A0</sp=
an></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt">With all tha=
t said; I=C2=A0kinda like the George Jetson sound idea! I can see EV driver=
s gettin creative with sound effects. That could be a hoot. AND, I have to =
admit that I=C2=A0clothes pinned=C2=A0playing cards into the spokes of my b=
icycle as a kid!=C2=A0</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt">JMHO</span><=
/p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt">Cheers</span=
></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt">Jim B</span>=
</p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br><br></p>
<blockquote>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Oct 2, 2022, at 8:14 PM, Jim Sencindive=
r <<a href=3D"mailto:jd.sencindiver@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">jd.senc=
indiver@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Just saw (this weekend) the Borla system =
get installed on a Mustang MachE on an episode of All Girls Garage (Motor T=
rend TV).</p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Sun, Oct 2, 2022, 9:39 PM Stu <<a =
href=3D"mailto:sabre2tgr@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">sabre2tgr@gmail.com</=
a>> wrote:</p>
</div>
<blockquote>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Just=
what every=C2=A0EV owner=C2=A0needs... </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">=C2=
=A0</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><a h=
ref=3D"https://www.borla.com/products/active-performance-sound-for-electric=
-vehicles/" rel=3D"noopener" target=3D"_blank">Borla Active Performance Sou=
nd for Electric Vehicles</a> </span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
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