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I was actually more interested in the hydrogen/fuel cell concept. We =
actually live near a filling station. I pulled in one day to chat with =
owners there to see how ownership really was. Wow, they were a sorry =
marketing team. Sure convinced me that it=E2=80=99s not a good way to =
go. The bad things you read online or watch on YouTube were what they =
all moaned about. Few stations. Broken and unreliable stations. =
Having to regularly use another car. But they were a hardy crowd who =
seemed to be in for the long haul - even if not with their car.
> On Oct 4, 2022, at 8:06 AM, Theo Smit <tsmit@shaw.ca> wrote:
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> (for non-EV-interested people, feel free to ignore)
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> I've had a Polestar 2 as my daily driver since April. Polestar is a =
joint venture between Volvo and Geely (the chinese car maker that is =
behind a bunch of upcoming EV technology).
> The spec range for it is 250 miles (400 km) from a 78 kWh battery. 400 =
hp and all wheel drive make it a pretty quick ride but it's heavier than =
a Tesla model 3. The Polestar uses a standard SAE J1772 charge plug and =
it's actually delivered with an charge cord that has both a 14-50P =
(250V, 50A) plug and a 110V 16A plug adapter. In a pinch, you can plug =
it in at any place that could also accommodate an RV.
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> A couple of weeks ago we drove it to Edmonton. 200 miles at 75 mph =
used up about 70 percent of the battery, and we did that in one shot. As =
it happened, the car dealer across from our hotel had a public 24 kW DC =
charger. That's in the 'fast' category but not nearly as fast as most =
other public chargers, which range from 50 to 350 kW. So we charged it =
for about an hour that afternoon while we were getting set up at the =
hotel, and again for about an hour the next morning while we were having =
breakfast. That put us back at about 75% battery.
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> When we started driving back to Calgary, the nav system predicted we'd =
be four percent short and suggested we put in a charging stop. We set =
off without doing that, but (unlike the previous day) our range =
prediction got more gloomy over the first half hour or so, so we decided =
to hit a 50 kW charger in Red Deer. A 35 minute stop there (with a =
coffee break) got us 30% more charge and we actually finished the trip =
with about 35% left in the battery. Our net 'extra time' over what we =
would otherwise do was maybe ten minutes max, since we normally already =
do make a stop halfway back for a coffee or whatever.
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> I think in general, EV technology is at a bit of an inflection point =
right now. There are a bunch of new cars coming to market, some from =
well established makers and some from people you've never heard of. For =
all of us that can accommodate a level 2 charger in the garage or =
carport, the cost of electricity makes the operating cost a no brainer. =
Depending on your transportation needs, you might never need a public =
charger for regular commuting.
> There are at least half a dozen charger infrastructure tracking apps =
that will tell you where the public chargers are and whether they are =
currently in use. It's maybe not as slick as the Tesla network but it is =
coming along pretty quickly. Probably the biggest issue is that =
sometimes chargers show up on a map but they are not functional - the =
crowdsourced reviews can help you there. Secondary issue is that a =
charger might be occupied when you get there. Probably not a huge deal =
if it's another EV (although that might delay your trip by half an hour) =
but it sucks when it's someone that's parked their car there just to =
block the charger from being used.
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> Since this is kind of off-topic for the Tiger mailing list, feel free =
to reply direct and not through the list if you think that's more =
appropriate.
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> Cheers,
> Theo
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> From: "michael king via Tigers" <tigers@autox.team.net =
> Cc: "David Sosna" <sosnaenergyconsulting@gmail.com =
> Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2022 6:45:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] The answer to a question that no one asked...
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> Tesla have the jump on everyone with infrastructure...which makes =
owning their products easier...
> As for the cars.. The Koreans with the EV range from Hyundai and KIA =
seem to have made big ground on Telsa and if the charging infrastructure =
becomes more generic other brands will come along.
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> The Chinese cars have a huge diversity of products... Good and bad... =
How many make it beyond their borders guven global tensions will be =
interesting.
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> On Tuesday, 4 October 2022, GARY WINBLAD <garywinblad@comcast.net =
> David,=20
> The Tesla supercharger network is pretty much what you want. Not =
every pole but...=20
> They are all over at least out in CA. It can add 200 miles in only 20 =
minutes and they put them=20
> right by restaurants, shopping malls, coffee shops, hotels, etc. The =
big display on the dash tells you=20
> when you need a charge and directs you in. It gives options and it =
knows if there will be any=20
> wait or anything. Pretty impressive. The future is here.=20
> Unfortunately, that's why the only EV I would consider right now is a =
Tesla...=20
> Gary=20
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> On 10/03/2022 1:11 PM David Sosna via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net =
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> Hey, Ron:
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> I'll qualify my response by noting that I don't have an EV, so this is =
largely theoretical for me.
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> I like the idea of a charger on each phone pole. Seriously. =
Travelling between cities it seems like I could stop at a handy phone =
pole, whip out my credit card, get information on what that particular =
electricity provider is selling a KWH for, go ahead with my transaction =
and get a receipt. Okay, SOMEbody has to make sure that the roll of =
receipt paper on each phone-pole charger is kept full. =F0=9F=98=89
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> Given that my city is gradually undergrounding telephone and electric =
utilities, a lack of phone poles in a city doesn't seem like a big deal; =
conventional charging stations would be--in the same future of =
phone-pole chargers--as readily available there as gas stations are now.
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> There's probably a lot of reasons why it wouldn't work and I'm =
guessing your suggestion was tongue-in-cheek, but I still like it--it's =
elegant. =F0=9F=98=81
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> Best Regards
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> David Sosna
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> On 10/3/22 07:21, Ron Fraser wrote:=20
> I saw the All Girls Garage show and it seems to me the Borla rep =
stated that there were several different engine sounds in the controller =
including Ferrari and more were being developed. Alright, a Prius with =
Ferrari engine sound.
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> I think Borla found a niche for those who just can=E2=80=99t be =
without the latest electronic gismo. Borla will make a profit until =
the craze evaporates or a government body says NO more please.
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> Seems to me California and New York have already banned the sale of =
petrol engine by 2035. My 1st question would be how many of those =
politicians own an EV now? My guess, few.
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> IMO the politicians have jumped to step 20 without considering the =
consequences. The power grid is not ready, the charging stations are =
not ready, battery technology is better but not totally ready for prime =
time and more important; until the EV range is specified for 20 degrees =
F, I=E2=80=99m not interested. Regional Transit here has some EV buses =
and if it get too cold they can=E2=80=99t use them, the range drops too =
far. =20
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> I would only consider a Hybrid vehicle in snow country.
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> EV vehicles are needed for major cities to clear the air but country =
folks drive longer distances for everything including work. Some of =
those EV=E2=80=99s are going to leave people stranded in the winter =
unless they put a charging station on every telephone pole.
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> Ron Fraser
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> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> =
> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2022 8:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] The answer to a question that no one asked...
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> This same thing happened when horses became obsolete, some people just =
don't adapt
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> to modern technology.
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> Nothing wrong with electric cars except the price and fear that the =
power grid won't support
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> all of them.
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> Most of us Tiger guys won't live long enough (unfortunately) to worry =
about this one.
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> Most of my miles now is our Prius Prime running on solar panel charged =
electricity. All
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> our local trips can be done with the 30 mile ranged but it gets 70MPG =
on trips, great
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> transportation device!
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> 73,
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> Gary
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> Oh, I like that sound device, I have been thinking of how I could =
build one myself. The
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> Prius has the worst worn out brake pad sound of scraping, screeching =
sounder to warm blind
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> pedestrians.. where the heck did they come up with that, a V8 burble =
would be so much
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> better.
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> On 10/03/2022 1:00 AM Jim B via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net =
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> Okay, here is my take. My first impression is this is as stupid as =
stupid gets. I did hear somewhere that =E2=80=9Csome=E2=80=9D people are =
worried about deaf and/or blind folks not being able to hear an =
approaching EV. =46rom experience, I can tell you that NO ONE even hears =
my F150. Many people step into traffic around here without even looking. =
We will probably replace my wife=E2=80=99s compact SUV with an EV in the =
near future. We already have a solar array designed to make up for the =
juice required and I plan to install a level 2 charger in the garage. We =
almost never travel far enough in that car to have to look for a =
charging station. As for us California guys, speaking for myself, I =
think I=E2=80=99ll be long gone before there is absolutely no petrol to =
be had. Somewhere down the line, it will probably get very expensive to =
buy (as if it is not bad already) but, I have to actually make a point =
of driving the Tiger and my big block Ford just to keep em running =
right. Car shows and Sunday drives are the norm.=20
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> With all that said; I kinda like the George Jetson sound idea! I can =
see EV drivers gettin creative with sound effects. That could be a hoot. =
AND, I have to admit that I clothes pinned playing cards into the spokes =
of my bicycle as a kid!=20
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> JMHO
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> Cheers
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> Jim B
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> On Oct 2, 2022, at 8:14 PM, Jim Sencindiver <jd.sencindiver@gmail.com =
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> Just saw (this weekend) the Borla system get installed on a Mustang =
MachE on an episode of All Girls Garage (Motor Trend TV).
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> On Sun, Oct 2, 2022, 9:39 PM Stu <sabre2tgr@gmail.com =
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> Just what every EV owner needs...=20
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> Borla Active Performance Sound for Electric Vehicles =
<https://www.borla.com/products/active-performance-sound-for-electric-vehi=
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">I =
was actually more interested in the hydrogen/fuel cell concept. We =
actually live near a filling station. I pulled in one day to chat =
with owners there to see how ownership really was. Wow, they were =
a sorry marketing team. Sure convinced me that it=E2=80=99s not a =
good way to go. The bad things you read online or watch on YouTube =
were what they all moaned about. Few stations. Broken and =
unreliable stations. Having to regularly use another car. =
But they were a hardy crowd who seemed to be in for the long haul =
- even if not with their car.<br class=3D""><div><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Oct =
4, 2022, at 8:06 AM, Theo Smit <<a href=3D"mailto:tsmit@shaw.ca"; =
class=3D"">tsmit@shaw.ca</a>> wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta =
charset=3D"UTF-8" class=3D""><div style=3D"font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; =
font-size: 10pt;" class=3D""><div class=3D"">(for non-EV-interested =
people, feel free to ignore)</div><div class=3D""><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"=
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I've had a Polestar 2 as my daily =
driver since April. Polestar is a joint venture between Volvo and Geely =
(the chinese car maker that is behind a bunch of upcoming EV =
technology).</div><div class=3D"">The spec range for it is 250 miles =
(400 km) from a 78 kWh battery. 400 hp and all wheel drive make it a =
pretty quick ride but it's heavier than a Tesla model 3. The Polestar =
uses a standard SAE J1772 charge plug and it's actually delivered with =
an charge cord that has both a 14-50P (250V, 50A) plug and a 110V 16A =
plug adapter. In a pinch, you can plug it in at any place that could =
also accommodate an RV.</div><div class=3D""><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1" =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">A couple of weeks ago we drove it to =
Edmonton. 200 miles at 75 mph used up about 70 percent of the =
battery, and we did that in one shot. As it happened, the car dealer =
across from our hotel had a public 24 kW DC charger. That's in the =
'fast' category but not nearly as fast as most other public chargers, =
which range from 50 to 350 kW. So we charged it for about an hour that =
afternoon while we were getting set up at the hotel, and again for about =
an hour the next morning while we were having breakfast. That put us =
back at about 75% battery.</div><div class=3D""><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1" =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">When we started driving back to =
Calgary, the nav system predicted we'd be four percent short and =
suggested we put in a charging stop. We set off without doing that, but =
(unlike the previous day) our range prediction got more gloomy over the =
first half hour or so, so we decided to hit a 50 kW charger in Red Deer. =
A 35 minute stop there (with a coffee break) got us 30% more charge and =
we actually finished the trip with about 35% left in the battery. Our =
net 'extra time' over what we would otherwise do was maybe ten minutes =
max, since we normally already do make a stop halfway back for a coffee =
or whatever.</div><div class=3D""><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1" =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I think in general, EV technology is at =
a bit of an inflection point right now. There are a bunch of new cars =
coming to market, some from well established makers and some from people =
you've never heard of. For all of us that can accommodate a level 2 =
charger in the garage or carport, the cost of electricity makes the =
operating cost a no brainer. Depending on your transportation needs, you =
might never need a public charger for regular commuting.</div><div =
class=3D"">There are at least half a dozen charger infrastructure =
tracking apps that will tell you where the public chargers are and =
whether they are currently in use. It's maybe not as slick as the Tesla =
network but it is coming along pretty quickly. Probably the biggest =
issue is that sometimes chargers show up on a map but they are not =
functional - the crowdsourced reviews can help you there. Secondary =
issue is that a charger might be occupied when you get there. Probably =
not a huge deal if it's another EV (although that might delay your trip =
by half an hour) but it sucks when it's someone that's parked their car =
there just to block the charger from being used.</div><div class=3D""><br =
data-mce-bogus=3D"1" class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Since this is kind =
of off-topic for the Tiger mailing list, feel free to reply direct and =
not through the list if you think that's more appropriate.</div><div =
class=3D""><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1" class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Cheers,</div><div class=3D"">Theo</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><hr id=3D"zwchr" data-marker=3D"__DIVIDER__" =
class=3D""><div data-marker=3D"__HEADERS__" class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">From:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"michael king via =
Tigers" <<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; =
class=3D"">tigers@autox.team.net</a>><br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">To:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Gary" <<a =
href=3D"mailto:garywinblad@comcast.net"; =
class=3D"">garywinblad@comcast.net</a>><br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Cc:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"David Sosna" <<a =
href=3D"mailto:sosnaenergyconsulting@gmail.com"; =
class=3D"">sosnaenergyconsulting@gmail.com</a>>, "David Sosna via =
Tigers" <<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; =
class=3D"">tigers@autox.team.net</a>><br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Sent:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Tuesday, October 4, =
2022 6:45:29 AM<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">Subject:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [Tigers] The answer =
to a question that no one asked...<br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br=
class=3D""></div><div data-marker=3D"__QUOTED_TEXT__" class=3D"">Tesla =
have the jump on everyone with infrastructure...which makes owning their =
products easier...<br class=3D""><div class=3D"">As for the cars.. The =
Koreans with the EV range from Hyundai and KIA seem to have made big =
ground on Telsa and if the charging infrastructure becomes more generic =
other brands will come along.</div><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">The =
Chinese cars have a huge diversity of products... Good and bad... How =
many make it beyond their borders guven global tensions will be =
interesting.</div><br class=3D""><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">On Tuesday, 4 October 2022, GARY WINBLAD =
<<a href=3D"mailto:garywinblad@comcast.net"; target=3D"_blank" =
rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" =
class=3D"">garywinblad@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br =
class=3D""><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0px 0px =
0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; =
border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><u =
class=3D""></u><div class=3D""><div class=3D"">David,<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""> The Tesla supercharger network is pretty much what you =
want. Not every pole but...<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">They are all over at least out in CA. It can add 200 =
miles in only 20 minutes and they put them<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">right by restaurants, shopping malls, coffee shops, hotels, =
etc. The big display on the dash tells you<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">when you need a charge and directs you in. It gives =
options and it knows if there will be any<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">wait or anything. Pretty impressive. The future =
is here.<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Unfortunately, that's why the only EV I =
would consider right now is a Tesla...<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Gary<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><blockquote =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">On 10/03/2022 1:11 PM David Sosna via Tigers =
<<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" =
rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" =
class=3D"">tigers@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><p class=3D"">Hey, =
Ron:</p><p class=3D"">I'll qualify my response by noting that I don't =
have an EV, so this is largely theoretical for me.</p><p class=3D"">I =
like the idea of a charger on each phone pole. Seriously. =
Travelling between cities it seems like I could stop at a handy phone =
pole, whip out my credit card, get information on what that particular =
electricity provider is selling a KWH for, go ahead with my transaction =
and get a receipt. Okay, SOMEbody has to make sure that the roll =
of receipt paper on each phone-pole charger is kept full. =F0=9F=98=89</p>=
<p class=3D"">Given that my city is gradually undergrounding telephone =
and electric utilities, a lack of phone poles in a city doesn't seem =
like a big deal; conventional charging stations would be--in the same =
future of phone-pole chargers--as readily available there as gas =
stations are now.<br class=3D""></p><p class=3D"">There's probably a lot =
of reasons why it wouldn't work and I'm guessing your suggestion was =
tongue-in-cheek, but I still like it--it's elegant. =F0=9F=98=81</p><p =
class=3D"">Best Regards</p><p class=3D"">David Sosna</p><p class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></p><div class=3D"">On 10/3/22 07:21, Ron Fraser wrote:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D""><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">I saw the All Girls Garage show and it seems to me =
the Borla rep stated that there were several different engine sounds in =
the controller including Ferrari and more were being =
developed. Alright, a Prius with Ferrari engine sound.</p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><br class=3D""></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I think =
Borla found a niche for those who just can=E2=80=99t be without the =
latest electronic gismo. Borla will make a profit until the =
craze evaporates or a government body says NO more please.</p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><br class=3D""></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Seems to =
me California and New York have already banned the sale of petrol engine =
by 2035. My 1<sup class=3D"">st</sup><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>question would be how many =
of those politicians own an EV now? My guess, few.</p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><br class=3D""></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">IMO the =
politicians have jumped to step 20 without considering the =
consequences. The power grid is not ready, the charging =
stations are not ready, battery technology is better but not totally =
ready for prime time and more important; until the EV range is specified =
for 20 degrees F, I=E2=80=99m not interested. Regional =
Transit here has some EV buses and if it get too cold they can=E2=80=99t =
use them, the range drops too far. </p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><br class=3D""></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I would =
only consider a Hybrid vehicle in snow country.</p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><br class=3D""></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">EV =
vehicles are needed for major cities to clear the air but country folks =
drive longer distances for everything including work. Some =
of those EV=E2=80=99s are going to leave people stranded in the winter =
unless they put a charging station on every telephone pole.</p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><br class=3D""></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ron =
Fraser</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br class=3D""></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><br class=3D""></p><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; =
border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=3D""><p=
class=3D"MsoNormal"><strong class=3D"">From:</strong><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tigers<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
href=3D"mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" =
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class=3D""><tigers-bounces@autox.team.net></a><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><strong class=3D"">On =
Behalf Of<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></strong>GARY =
WINBLAD<br class=3D""><strong class=3D"">Sent:</strong><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, October 03, 2022 =
8:18 AM<br class=3D""><strong class=3D"">To:</strong><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Jim B<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
href=3D"mailto:jbsyv@yahoo.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow =
noopener noreferrer" class=3D""><jbsyv@yahoo.com></a>; Jim B via =
Tigers<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
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noopener noreferrer" class=3D""><tigers@autox.team.net></a><br =
class=3D""><strong class=3D"">Subject:</strong><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Tigers] The answer to =
a question that no one asked...</p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br =
class=3D""></p><div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal">This same thing =
happened when horses became obsolete, some people just don't =
adapt</p></div><div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal">to modern =
technology.</p></div><div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Nothing =
wrong with electric cars except the price and fear that the power grid =
won't support</p></div><div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal">all of =
them.</p></div><div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Most of us Tiger =
guys won't live long enough (unfortunately) to worry about this =
one.</p></div><div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Most of my miles =
now is our Prius Prime running on solar panel charged electricity. =
All</p></div><div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal">our local trips can =
be done with the 30 mile ranged but it gets 70MPG on trips, =
great</p></div><div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal">transportation =
device!</p></div><div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal">73,</p></div><div =
class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Gary</p></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Oh, I like that sound device, I have been thinking =
of how I could build one myself. The</p></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Prius has the worst worn out brake pad sound of =
scraping, screeching sounder to warm blind</p></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">pedestrians.. where the heck did they come up with =
that, a V8 burble would be so much</p></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">better.</p></div><blockquote class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 10/03/2022 1:00 AM Jim B via Tigers =
<<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" =
rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" =
class=3D"">tigers@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:</p></div><div =
class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br class=3D""></p></div><div =
class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br class=3D""></p></div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt;" class=3D"">Okay, =
here is my take. My first impression is this is as stupid as stupid =
gets. I did hear somewhere that =E2=80=9Csome=E2=80=9D =
people are worried about deaf and/or blind folks not being able to hear =
an approaching EV. =46rom experience, I can tell you that NO ONE even =
hears my F150. Many people step into traffic around here without even =
looking. We will probably replace my wife=E2=80=99s compact SUV with an =
EV in the near future. We already have a solar array designed to =
make up for the juice required and I plan to install a level 2 charger =
in the garage. We almost never travel far enough in that car to have to =
look for a charging station. As for us California guys, speaking for =
myself, I think I=E2=80=99ll be long gone before there is =
absolutely no petrol to be had. Somewhere down the line, it will =
probably get very expensive to buy (as if it is not bad already) but, I =
have to actually make a point of driving the Tiger and my big block Ford =
just to keep em running right. Car shows and Sunday drives are the =
norm. </span></p><div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt;" class=3D"">With all that said; I kinda =
like the George Jetson sound idea! I can see EV drivers gettin creative =
with sound effects. That could be a hoot. AND, I have to admit that =
I clothes pinned playing cards into the spokes of my bicycle =
as a kid! </span></p></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt;" =
class=3D"">JMHO</span></p></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt;" =
class=3D"">Cheers</span></p></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt;" class=3D"">Jim =
B</span></p><div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></p><blockquote class=3D""><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">On Oct 2, 2022, at 8:14 PM, Jim Sencindiver <<a =
href=3D"mailto:jd.sencindiver@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow=
noopener noreferrer" class=3D"">jd.sencindiver@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:</p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br class=3D""></p><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Just saw (this =
weekend) the Borla system get installed on a Mustang MachE on an episode =
of All Girls Garage (Motor Trend TV).</p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br =
class=3D""></p><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On =
Sun, Oct 2, 2022, 9:39 PM Stu <<a href=3D"mailto:sabre2tgr@gmail.com"; =
target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" =
class=3D"">sabre2tgr@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</p></div><blockquote =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;" class=3D"">Just =
what every EV owner needs...<span =
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class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;" class=3D""><a =
href=3D"https://www.borla.com/products/active-performance-sound-for-electr=
ic-vehicles/" rel=3D"noopener nofollow noopener noreferrer" =
target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">Borla Active Performance Sound for Electric =
Vehicles</a></span></p></div></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
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