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Re: [Tigers] Front suspension

To: "tsmit@shaw.ca" <tsmit@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Front suspension
From: Michael Wood via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 00:30:16 +0000 (UTC)
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Love it! I have so much respect for you guys (like my mentor, Tom) who can =
take ideas and shape them in metal.=C2=A0
What I'd really like to see is someone build a tubular, double A-arm bolt i=
n solution. I can do the math, but I sure as hell can't do the heavy liftin=
g lol


-----Original Message-----
From: Theo Smit <tsmit@shaw.ca>
To: Michael Wood <mwood24020@aol.com>
Cc: Gary <garywinblad@comcast.net>; Lance Beauchamp <blance598@gmail.com>; =
tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, Oct 1, 2021 2:43 pm
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Front suspension

Hi Mike,
In 2001 or so, I figured out that a crash in the way-past had twisted both =
upper shock towers (in the same direction) and the previous owner(s) had no=
t corrected it. I cut off the upper towers and put in coilover mounts, alon=
g with new upper control arm mounts. As part of that operation I lowered th=
e inboard upper control arm mounts an inch. I'm also using the Minx spindle=
s, and that keeps the control arm angles in a reasonable range.
I reversed the lower fulcrum pins, which shifts the lower control arm forwa=
rd about a quarter inch, and increases the caster. As part of that, I added=
 bolt-on braces off the rear face of the crossmember so that the rear end o=
f the fulcrum pins are mounted in double shear.I'm currently also running a=
 quicker Flaming River rack, and the steering effort (with 205/45-16's) is =
pretty reasonable.=C2=A0
I've been pondering re-doing all of this, because what remains of the origi=
nal crossmember is pretty beat up and had numerous stress cracks that I wel=
ded up when I last had it out of the car.A few years ago I got a hold of an=
 Alpine crossmember so that I could re-start with something that hopefully =
had led an easier life. To address the issue of insufficient balljoint spac=
ing and spindle/hub rigidity, I'd start with Wilwood or somebody else's Mus=
tang hubs and spindles.But as with many things, I have not taken this past =
the ideas stage. Critiques and ideas are welcome.
To the question of "why don't you just buy Dale's"... part of my enjoyment =
of my Tiger is the making of stuff. Sometimes that means the car sits longe=
r than I'd like but that's life.
Cheers,Theo
From: "tigers" <tigers@autox.team.net>
To: "Gary" <garywinblad@comcast.net>, "Lance Beauchamp" <blance598@gmail.co=
m>, "tigers" <tigers@autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, October 1, 2021 10:37:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Front suspension

<snip>Wonder if anyone has done it?
Mike

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<div style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:b=
lack;"><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;=
color:black;">Love it! I have so much respect for you guys (like my mentor,=
 Tom) who can take ideas and shape them in metal.&nbsp;</div><div style=3D"=
font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black;"><br></d=
iv><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;colo=
r:black;">What I'd really like to see is someone build a tubular, double A-=
arm bolt in solution. I can do the math, but I sure as hell can't do the he=
avy lifting lol<br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Theo Smit &l=
t;tsmit@shaw.ca&gt;<br>To: Michael Wood &lt;mwood24020@aol.com&gt;<br>Cc: G=
ary &lt;garywinblad@comcast.net&gt;; Lance Beauchamp &lt;blance598@gmail.co=
m&gt;; tigers &lt;tigers@autox.team.net&gt;<br>Sent: Fri, Oct 1, 2021 2:43 =
pm<br>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Front suspension<br><br></div><div id=3D"yiv537=
3424094"><div><div style=3D"font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-s=
ize:10pt;color:#000000;"><div>Hi Mike,</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><=
div>In 2001 or so, I figured out that a crash in the way-past had twisted b=
oth upper shock towers (in the same direction) and the previous owner(s) ha=
d not corrected it.</div><div> I cut off the upper towers and put in coilov=
er mounts, along with new upper control arm mounts. As part of that operati=
on I lowered the inboard upper control arm mounts an inch. I'm also using t=
he Minx spindles, and that keeps the control arm angles in a reasonable ran=
ge.</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>I reversed the lower fulcrum pi=
ns, which shifts the lower control arm forward about a quarter inch, and in=
creases the caster. As part of that, I added bolt-on braces off the rear fa=
ce of the crossmember so that the rear end of the fulcrum pins are mounted =
in double shear.</div><div>I'm currently also running a quicker Flaming Riv=
er rack, and the steering effort (with 205/45-16's) is pretty reasonable.&n=
bsp;</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>I've been pondering re-doing a=
ll of this, because what remains of the original crossmember is pretty beat=
 up and had numerous stress cracks that I welded up when I last had it out =
of the car.</div><div>A few years ago I got a hold of an Alpine crossmember=
 so that I could re-start with something that hopefully had led an easier l=
ife. To address the issue of insufficient balljoint spacing and spindle/hub=
 rigidity, I'd start with Wilwood or somebody else's Mustang hubs and spind=
les.</div><div>But as with many things, I have not taken this past the idea=
s stage. Critiques and ideas are welcome.</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></di=
v><div>To the question of "why don't you just buy Dale's"... part of my enj=
oyment of my Tiger is the making of stuff. Sometimes that means the car sit=
s longer than I'd like but that's life.</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div>=
<div>Cheers,</div><div>Theo</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><hr id=3D"yi=
v5373424094zwchr"><div><b>From: </b>"tigers" &lt;tigers@autox.team.net&gt;<=
br clear=3D"none"><b>To: </b>"Gary" &lt;garywinblad@comcast.net&gt;, "Lance=
 Beauchamp" &lt;blance598@gmail.com&gt;, "tigers" &lt;tigers@autox.team.net=
&gt;<div class=3D"yiv5373424094yqt7580696325" id=3D"yiv5373424094yqtfd00025=
"><br clear=3D"none"><b>Sent: </b>Friday, October 1, 2021 10:37:07 AM<br cl=
ear=3D"none"><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Tigers] Front suspension<br clear=3D"none=
"></div></div><div class=3D"yiv5373424094yqt7580696325" id=3D"yiv5373424094=
yqtfd70888"><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div><div style=3D"font-size:10pt=
;font-family:'arial' , 'helvetica' , sans-serif;color:black;"><div style=3D=
"font-family:'arial' , 'helvetica' , sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black;=
">&lt;snip&gt;</div><div style=3D"font-family:'arial' , 'helvetica' , sans-=
serif;font-size:10pt;color:black;">Wonder if anyone has done it?</div><div =
style=3D"font-family:'arial' , 'helvetica' , sans-serif;font-size:10pt;colo=
r:black;"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div style=3D"font-family:'arial' , 'hel=
vetica' , sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black;">Mike</div></div><br clear=
=3D"none"></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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