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Re: [Tigers] Radiator Cap

To: Donald Antilla <fast427@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Radiator Cap
From: Joe Brown <jbbrown1980@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2021 11:20:09 -0500
Cc: Tigers Den <tigers@autox.team.net>
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Beautiful.

On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 11:01 AM Donald Antilla <fast427@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

> Here is what I did on my Series 200 Griffith.
>
> I wanted to hide the overflow tank, so we (Bob Cuneo) took an old fire
> extinguisher, cut/sectioned/welded it so it would fit (on the Griffith)
> close to the tubular frame and not be obvious.
>
> It is difficult to see in the photo labeled =E2=80=9Csurge tank installed=
=E2=80=9D how
> well it hides, but it is really hard to spot. Note: I had the red cap
> reanodized black to make it less obvious.
>
>
>
> Don
>
>
>
> For a coolant recovery system I'm currently using my old original washer
> bottle mounted in the bracket that originally held the remote oil filter.
> I would like to come up with a different solution that I can mount to the
> inner fender in front of the expansion tank.  I'm concerned that the
> plastic washer bottle in its current location up against the engine might
> suffer from the heat.  Moss Motors has an overflow bottle for a Triumph
> that wouldn't look out of place in the Tiger,
> https://mossmotors.com/overflow-bottle-1.  But the bracket is kind of
> pricey.  I might try to make my own bracket.
>
>
>
> Have Fun,
>
> Joe Brown
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 10:39 AM Ron Fraser via Tigers <
> tigers@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> This has been a wonderful discussion.   Please include any manufacturer
> and part number when you find good workable parts for any area on the
> Tiger.   We also need to know possible bad part numbers too.   We all nee=
d
> that kind of information on hand for future reference.
>
>
>
> I still recommend a coolant recovery system to everyone then you know
> exactly when and how much coolant is moving back and forth through the
> system.
>
> Make it a simple setup that can easily be removed if judging is your
> priority.
>
> Personally, I prefer not to pollute the ground with coolant of any kind
> and I really don=E2=80=99t want coolant possibly spraying onto my tire wh=
ile
> driving or stopping.
>
>
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
>
> *From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Gary
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 19, 2021 9:26 AM
> *To:* michael king <michael.s.king@gmail.com>; Douglas Lyle <
> douglasalyle@yahoo.com>
> *Cc:* Tigers Den <tigers@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Radiator Cap
>
>
>
> Or you were just over filling it.
> It is normal for the Tiger to blow out the little hose until it gets down
> to where it needs to be.
> Gary
>
> On 8/18/2021 11:38 PM, michael king via Tigers wrote:
>
> doug sounds like the spring wasnt strong enough or that perhaps very
> slightly to shallow?
>
> On Thursday, 19 August 2021, Douglas Lyle via Tigers <
> tigers@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> Joe, I've had two failures with those Scott Drake caps.   They were about
> 10 years apart.    Both failed soon after installation.    The 10 year ga=
p
> was because I had forgotten that the first one failed and then 10 years
> later I bought another and it also failed.    Ended up finding an NOS cap
> and that solved the problem.
>
>
>
> Both Scott Drake caps were allowing coolant to puke out after short
> drives.   Dimensions looked identical.   Your results may vary.  Just kee=
p
> an eye on it.
>
>
>
>
>
> Doug
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 18, 2021, 10:21:47 AM PDT, Joe Brown <
> jbbrown1980@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> I have an update on my quest to find a radiator cap.  I wound up ordering
> a Scott Drake Mustang cap from CJ Pony Parts and it fits really well.  An=
d
> since my temp gauge was always pegged out really high I installed a
> mechanical temp gauge from Summit on my Edelbrock intake.  After idling f=
or
> about 20 minutes the temp never got over 190.  Now I need to take it out
> for a long drive and see how it does.
>
>
>
> Thanks for all of MKdoug soijds info from everybody.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joe Brown
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 9:35 AM Ron Fraser <rfraser@bluefrog.com> wrote:
>
> Jim
>
>                 Thank you for the pictures.
>
>
>
> It appears I have the MOPAR 5220487 Filler cap =E2=80=93 good to know.
>
>
>
> This also indicates that any 522xxxx number in the Parts List is a
> Chrysler part number =E2=80=93 excellent.
>
>
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
>
> *From:* jimdamelio <jimdamelio@verizon.net>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 28, 2021 8:11 PM
> *To:* Joe Brown <jbbrown1980@gmail.com>; Ron Fraser <rfraser@bluefrog.com=
>
> *Cc:* Tigers Den <Tigers@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Radiator Cap
>
>
>
> Attached are pictures of the 9lb cap 5220487, 13lb cap 1224818 and a 13lb
> chrome Motorcraft cap.  The 9lb cap measures 1" from inside base to tip o=
f
> plunger while both 13lb caps measure 1-1/8".
>
>
>
> Jim D
>
>
>
> Sent from my Galaxy
>
>
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
>
> From: Joe Brown via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
>
> Date: 7/28/21 6:49 PM (GMT-05:00)
>
> To: Ron Fraser <rfraser@bluefrog.com>
>
> Cc: Tigers Den <Tigers@autox.team.net>
>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Radiator Cap
>
>
>
> Just to add to my confusion I took a look at the Tiger Parts List
> Supplement (pub number 6601131) and I'm guessing this only covers the
> Tigers up to  B382001521 because it only shows the 1224725 header tank an=
d
> Ron has  Parts List 6601334 which show two more tanks.    Parts List
> 6601131  says the 9 lb. cap is for "later" cars and the 13 lb. cap is for
> "earlier" cars.  This seems to contradict what is in TBON.  Is it possibl=
e
> that some of the earliest cars had 13 lb. caps and then they went to 9 lb=
.
> caps until they changes the header tanks?
>
>
>
> The Rootes part number for the 9 lb. cap is 5220487 and when I Google tha=
t
> number I can see that is also a Mopar part number from back in the day.
> All of the usual sources want to cross this over to a 13 lb. cap.  I did
> find a 9 lb. cap made by Motorad but I can't find what the stem length is=
.
> I guess I will have to go down to the different part stores and look at
> what they have.
>
>
>
> Sunbeam Specialties has three different caps for sale but they are for
> Alpines, not Tigers.  I asked Rick if any of them would work for the Tige=
r
> and he said the pressure rating was too low.
>
>
>
> Ron, the G630 cap pulls up as a match for some older Land Rovers but I'm
> only finding used ones.
>
>
>
> If anybody has recently purchased a new cap that is working fine please
> let me know what you got.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joe Brown
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 8:40 PM Joe Brown <jbbrown1980@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I pulled out my copy of TBON and he also listed a 9 lb. cap up to
> B382001521 and 13 lb. after that
>
>
>
> I sent an email to Rick at SS to see if his part number RC5 is the cap yo=
u
> described. It doesn't say it's for the Tiger, it just says it's for the
> series V.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 27, 2021, 8:27 PM Ron Fraser <rfraser@bluefrog.com> wrote:
>
> Parts List 6601334 lists 3 header tanks.
>
> 1224725                Header Tank       up to B382001521
>
> 5221224                Header Tank       from B382001522 to B382001894
>
> 1236126                Header Tank       from B382001895
>
>
>
> Graham Vickery sent me a drawing for Header Tank 1224725 and it indicates
> Filler Cap 9 lbs.
>
>
>
> I don=E2=80=99t know if the drawings for the other 2 header tanks are ava=
ilable to
> see which Filler Cap they indicate.
>
>
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
>
> *From:* Joe Brown <jbbrown1980@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 27, 2021 7:49 PM
> *To:* Ron Fraser <rfraser@bluefrog.com>
> *Cc:* Tigers Den <Tigers@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Radiator Cap
>
>
>
> Thanks Ron, the .805" dimension sounds like what I need.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 27, 2021, 6:37 PM Ron Fraser <rfraser@bluefrog.com> wrote:
>
> Joe
>
>                 I believe I bought my radiator cap from Sunbeam
> Specialties.
>
> Cap indicates 9 lbs. and G630.
>
> Rubber seal to rubber seal is .805=E2=80=9D.
>
> I installed a catch bottle for the header tank overflow.   Catches any
> overflow which gets sucked back in when the engine cools.
>
>
>
> The Parts lists indicates 9 lbs. later cars and 13 lbs. early cars.
>
>
>
> Tiger, An Exceptional Motorcar indicates B382001521 as last unit with
> early header tank and 9 lb. cap =E2=80=93 B382001522 1st Tiger with updat=
ed
> header tank and 13 lb. cap.
>
>
>
> Well, no really good help there.
>
>
>
> I=E2=80=99m thinking 9 lbs. for early cars and 13 lbs. for later cars is =
correct
>
>
>
> Ron  Fraser
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Joe Brown
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 27, 2021 6:07 PM
> *To:* Tigers Den <Tigers@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [Tigers] Radiator Cap
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I'm hoping one of you guys can tell me what radiator cap I should be
> using.  I've tried a cap that was listed as being for a Tiger on Autozone=
's
> website but I think the pressure spring part under the cap is too short. =
 I
> almost immediately start getting water out of the overflow tube as the
> engine warms up.  I measured the depth of the expansion tank opening from
> the top edge to the flange where the spring part of the cap would sit and
> got .777".  I measured the cap from the big rubber seal just under the ca=
p
> to the small rubber seal at the end of the spring and got something like
> .75".  So it looks like I need a cap with a longer spring stem.
>
>
>
> A brand name and part number would be great  And also, what should the
> pressure rating be?  What I have is 13 lbs.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joe Brown
>
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>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Beautiful.</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D=
"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 11:01 AM Donald Antilla =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fast427@sbcglobal.net";>fast427@sbcglobal.net</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0=
px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div class=3D"gmail-m_-4550=
9699510616981WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:=
16pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Here is what I did on my Series 200 Grif=
fith.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:16pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">I wanted to hide the overflow tank, s=
o we (Bob Cuneo) took an old fire extinguisher, cut/sectioned/welded it so =
it would fit (on the Griffith) close to the tubular frame and not be obviou=
s.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:=
16pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">It is difficult to see in the photo labe=
led =E2=80=9Csurge tank installed=E2=80=9D how well it hides, but it is rea=
lly hard to spot. Note: I had the red cap reanodized black to make it less =
obvious.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font=
-size:16pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:16pt;font-family:Arial,sans-se=
rif">Don<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font=
-size:16pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><di=
v><p class=3D"MsoNormal">For a coolant recovery system I&#39;m currently us=
ing my old original washer bottle mounted in the bracket that originally he=
ld the remote oil filter.=C2=A0 I would like to come up with a different so=
lution that I can mount to the inner fender in front of the expansion tank.=
=C2=A0 I&#39;m concerned that the plastic washer bottle in its current loca=
tion up against the engine might suffer from the heat.=C2=A0 Moss Motors ha=
s an overflow bottle for a Triumph that wouldn&#39;t look out of place in t=
he Tiger, <a href=3D"https://mossmotors.com/overflow-bottle-1"; target=3D"_b=
lank">https://mossmotors.com/overflow-bottle-1</a>.=C2=A0 But the bracket i=
s kind of pricey.=C2=A0 I might try to make my own bracket.<u></u><u></u></=
p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">Have Fun,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
>Joe Brown<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 10:3=
9 AM Ron Fraser via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; tar=
get=3D"_blank">tigers@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div>=
<blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;b=
order-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4=
.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">This has been a won=
derful discussion.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Please include any manufacturer and part num=
ber when you find good workable parts for any area on the Tiger.=C2=A0=C2=
=A0 We also need to know possible bad part numbers too.=C2=A0=C2=A0 We all =
need that kind of information on hand for future reference.<u></u><u></u></=
p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I s=
till recommend a coolant recovery system to everyone then you know exactly =
when and how much coolant is moving back and forth through the system.<u></=
u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Make it a simple setup that can easily =
be removed if judging is your priority.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal">Personally, I prefer not to pollute the ground with coolant of any kin=
d and I really don=E2=80=99t want coolant possibly spraying onto my tire wh=
ile driving or stopping.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u><=
/u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ron Fraser<u></u><u></u></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><div><div style=3D"border-right:none=
;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);=
padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Tigers &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">tigers-bounces@=
autox.team.net</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Gary<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, A=
ugust 19, 2021 9:26 AM<br><b>To:</b> michael king &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mic=
hael.s.king@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">michael.s.king@gmail.com</a>&gt;; =
Douglas Lyle &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:douglasalyle@yahoo.com"; target=3D"_blank=
">douglasalyle@yahoo.com</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> Tigers Den &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:tigers@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">tigers@autox.team.net</a>&gt;=
<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Radiator Cap<u></u><u></u></p></div></div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=
=3D"margin-bottom:12pt">Or you were just over filling it.<br>It is normal f=
or the Tiger to blow out the little hose until it gets down to where it nee=
ds to be.<br>Gary<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 8/18/2021=
 11:38 PM, michael king via Tigers wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquot=
e style=3D"margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">doug so=
unds like the spring wasnt strong enough or that perhaps very slightly to s=
hallow?<br><br>On Thursday, 19 August 2021, Douglas Lyle via Tigers &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">tigers@autox.team.n=
et</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;bor=
der-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);pa=
dding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt"><div><div><div><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica">Joe, I&#39;=
ve had two failures with those Scott Drake caps.=C2=A0=C2=A0 They were abou=
t 10 years apart.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Both failed soon after installation.=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The 10 year gap was because I had forgotten that the first =
one failed and then 10 years later I bought another and it also failed.=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Ended up finding an NOS cap and that solved the problem.</s=
pan><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font=
-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica=
">Both Scott Drake caps were allowing coolant to puke out after short drive=
s.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Dimensions looked identical.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Your results may va=
ry.=C2=A0 Just keep an eye on it.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica">=C2=
=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p></=
div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:H=
elvetica">Doug</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u><=
/u></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">On Wednesday, August=
 18, 2021, 10:21:47 AM PDT, Joe Brown &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jbbrown1980@gma=
il.com" target=3D"_blank">jbbrown1980@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote: </span><u></=
u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10p=
t;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p=
></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-famil=
y:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div>=
<div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fa=
mily:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">I have an update on my quest to find a =
radiator cap.=C2=A0 I wound up ordering a Scott Drake Mustang cap from CJ P=
ony Parts and it fits really well.=C2=A0 And since my temp gauge was always=
 pegged out really high I installed a mechanical temp gauge from Summit on =
my Edelbrock intake.=C2=A0 After idling for about 20 minutes the temp never=
 got over 190.=C2=A0 Now I need to take it out for a long drive and see how=
 it does. </span><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">=C2=A0</span>=
<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">Thanks for all of MKdoug =
soijds info from everybody.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38=
,40,42)">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">Tha=
nks,</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">Joe Brown</sp=
an><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font=
-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">=C2=A0</span><u></u><=
u></u></p><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10=
pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 9:35 =
AM Ron Fraser &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com"; target=3D"_blank"=
>rfraser@bluefrog.com</a>&gt; wrote:</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><blockqu=
ote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-le=
ft:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.=
8pt"><div><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color=
:rgb(38,40,42)">Jim </span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style=3D"font-size:10=
pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Thank you f=
or the pictures.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;f=
ont-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><p=
><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">I=
t appears I have the MOPAR 5220487 Filler cap =E2=80=93 good to know.</span=
><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;c=
olor:rgb(38,40,42)">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">This also indicates tha=
t any 522xxxx number in the Parts List is a Chrysler part number =E2=80=93 =
excellent.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fa=
mily:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span=
 style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">Ron Fra=
ser</span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:He=
lvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><div><div style=
=3D"border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt so=
lid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p><b><span style=3D"font-size:10=
pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">From:</span></b><span style=
=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)"> jimdamelio &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jimdamelio@verizon.net"; target=3D"_blank">jimdamelio@v=
erizon.net</a>&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 28, 2021 8:11 PM<br><b>=
To:</b> Joe Brown &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jbbrown1980@gmail.com"; target=3D"_b=
lank">jbbrown1980@gmail.com</a>&gt;; Ron Fraser &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rfras=
er@bluefrog.com" target=3D"_blank">rfraser@bluefrog.com</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</=
b> Tigers Den &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Tigers@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank=
">Tigers@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Radiator Ca=
p</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font=
-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><div>=
<p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)"=
>Attached are pictures of the 9lb cap 5220487, 13lb cap 1224818 and a 13lb =
chrome Motorcraft cap.=C2=A0 The 9lb cap measures 1&quot; from inside base =
to tip of plunger while both 13lb caps measure 1-1/8&quot;.=C2=A0</span><u>=
</u><u></u></p></div><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helv=
etica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">Jim D=
</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-f=
amily:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><=
div><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(=
87,87,87)">Sent from my Galaxy</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p>=
<span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">=
=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;=
font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><=
/div><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:blac=
k">-------- Original message --------</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p=
><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black">From: Joe=
 Brown via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_b=
lank">tigers@autox.team.net</a>&gt; </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p>=
<span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black">Date: 7/28=
/21 6:49 PM (GMT-05:00) </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><span style=
=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black">To: Ron Fraser &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com"; target=3D"_blank">rfraser@bluefrog.co=
m</a>&gt; </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:1=
0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black">Cc: Tigers Den &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:Tigers@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">Tigers@autox.team.net</a>&gt; </s=
pan><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fami=
ly:Helvetica;color:black">Subject: Re: [Tigers] Radiator Cap </span><u></u>=
<u></u></p></div><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetic=
a;color:black">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><span style=3D"=
font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">Just to add to my=
 confusion I took a look at the Tiger Parts List Supplement (pub number 660=
1131) and I&#39;m guessing this only covers the Tigers up to=C2=A0 B3820015=
21 because it only shows the 1224725 header tank and Ron has=C2=A0 Parts Li=
st 6601334 which show two more tanks.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Parts List=C2=
=A0 6601131=C2=A0 says the 9 lb. cap is for &quot;later&quot; cars and the =
13 lb. cap is for &quot;earlier&quot; cars.=C2=A0 This seems to contradict =
what is in TBON.=C2=A0 Is it possible that some of the earliest cars had 13=
 lb. caps and then they went to 9 lb. caps until they changes the header ta=
nks?</span><u></u><u></u></p><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fam=
ily:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><di=
v><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42=
)">The Rootes part number for the 9 lb. cap is 5220487 and when I Google th=
at number I can see that is also a Mopar part number from back in the day.=
=C2=A0 All of the usual sources want to cross this over to a 13 lb. cap.=C2=
=A0 I did find a 9 lb. cap made by Motorad but I can&#39;t find what the st=
em length is.=C2=A0 I guess I will have to go down to the different part st=
ores and look at what they have.=C2=A0=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p></div>=
<div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40=
,42)">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><span style=3D"font-size=
:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">Sunbeam Specialties has th=
ree different caps for sale but they are for Alpines, not Tigers.=C2=A0 I a=
sked Rick if any of them would work for the Tiger and he said the pressure =
rating was too low.=C2=A0=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><span=
 style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">=C2=A0<=
/span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fa=
mily:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">Ron, the G630 cap pulls up as a match f=
or some older Land Rovers but I&#39;m only finding used ones.</span><u></u>=
<u></u></p></div><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetic=
a;color:rgb(38,40,42)">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">If anybod=
y has recently purchased a new cap that is working fine please let me know =
what you got.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></=
u></p></div><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;col=
or:rgb(38,40,42)">Thanks,</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><span style=
=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">Joe Brown</sp=
an><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fami=
ly:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><div><div>=
<p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)"=
>On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 8:40 PM Joe Brown &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jbbrown198=
0@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jbbrown1980@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</span><=
u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:no=
ne;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0i=
n 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt"><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;f=
ont-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">I pulled out my copy of TBON and =
he also listed a 9 lb. cap up to B382001521 and 13 lb. after that=C2=A0</sp=
an><u></u><u></u></p><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helv=
etica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">I sen=
t an email to Rick at SS to see if his part number RC5 is the cap you descr=
ibed. It doesn&#39;t say it&#39;s for the Tiger, it just says it&#39;s for =
the series V.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u><=
/u></p><div><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;col=
or:rgb(38,40,42)">On Tue, Jul 27, 2021, 8:27 PM Ron Fraser &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com" target=3D"_blank">rfraser@bluefrog.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;b=
order-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);=
padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt"><div><div><p><span style=
=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">Parts List 66=
01334 lists 3 header tanks.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style=3D"font-=
size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">1224725=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
 Header Tank=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 up to B382001521</span><u>=
</u><u></u></p><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color=
:rgb(38,40,42)">5221224=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Header Tank=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0 from B382001522 to B382001894</span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span=
 style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">1236126=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Header Tank =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 from B382001895<=
/span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvet=
ica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">Graham Vickery sen=
t me a drawing for Header Tank 1224725 and it indicates Filler Cap 9 lbs.</=
span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helveti=
ca;color:rgb(38,40,42)">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">I don=E2=80=99t kno=
w if the drawings for the other 2 header tanks are available to see which F=
iller Cap they indicate.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></=
u></p><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,4=
0,42)">Ron Fraser</span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;=
font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><=
p><b><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42=
)">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;colo=
r:rgb(38,40,42)"> Joe Brown &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jbbrown1980@gmail.com"; ta=
rget=3D"_blank">jbbrown1980@gmail.com</a>&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, Jul=
y 27, 2021 7:49 PM<br><b>To:</b> Ron Fraser &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rfraser@b=
luefrog.com" target=3D"_blank">rfraser@bluefrog.com</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> T=
igers Den &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Tigers@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">Ti=
gers@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Radiator Cap</s=
pan><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetic=
a;color:rgb(38,40,42)">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><div><p><span style=
=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">Thanks Ron, t=
he .805&quot; dimension sounds like what I need.</span><u></u><u></u></p></=
div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,=
42)">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:1=
0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">On Tue, Jul 27, 2021, 6:37 P=
M Ron Fraser &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com"; target=3D"_blank">=
rfraser@bluefrog.com</a>&gt; wrote:</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquo=
te style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-lef=
t:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8=
pt"><div><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:=
rgb(38,40,42)">Joe</span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt=
;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I believe I bo=
ught my radiator cap from Sunbeam Specialties.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p><=
span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">Cap=
 indicates 9 lbs. and G630.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style=3D"font-=
size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">Rubber seal to rubber =
seal is .805=E2=80=9D.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style=3D"font-size:=
10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">I installed a catch bottle =
for the header tank overflow.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Catches any overflow which gets s=
ucked back in when the engine cools.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style=
=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">=C2=A0</span>=
<u></u><u></u></p><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;co=
lor:rgb(38,40,42)">The Parts lists indicates 9 lbs. later cars and 13 lbs. =
early cars.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-f=
amily:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><p><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">Tiger,=
 An Exceptional Motorcar indicates B382001521 as last unit with early heade=
r tank and 9 lb. cap =E2=80=93 B382001522 1<sup>st</sup> Tiger with updated=
 header tank and 13 lb. cap.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style=3D"font=
-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">=C2=A0</span><u></u><=
u></u></p><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(=
38,40,42)">Well, no really good help there.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">=C2=A0=
</span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helve=
tica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">I=E2=80=99m thinking 9 lbs. for early cars and 13=
 lbs. for later cars is correct</span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">=C2=A0</span><u></=
u><u></u></p><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:r=
gb(38,40,42)">Ron=C2=A0 Fraser</span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">=C2=A0</span><u></u=
><u></u></p><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:rg=
b(38,40,42)">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style=3D"font-size:10p=
t;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p=
><p><b><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,=
42)">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;co=
lor:rgb(38,40,42)"> Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.=
net" target=3D"_blank">tigers-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf O=
f </b>Joe Brown<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 27, 2021 6:07 PM<br><b>To:</b=
> Tigers Den &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Tigers@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank"=
>Tigers@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> [Tigers] Radiator Cap</sp=
an><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica=
;color:rgb(38,40,42)">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><div><p><span style=3D=
"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">Hi,</span><u></u=
><u></u></p><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;col=
or:rgb(38,40,42)">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><span style=
=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">I&#39;m hopin=
g one of you guys can tell me what radiator cap I should be using.=C2=A0 I&=
#39;ve tried a cap that was listed as being for a Tiger on Autozone&#39;s w=
ebsite but I think the pressure spring part under the cap is too short.=C2=
=A0 I almost immediately start getting water out of the overflow tube as th=
e engine warms up.=C2=A0 I measured the depth of the expansion tank opening=
 from the top edge to the flange where the spring part of the cap would sit=
 and got .777&quot;.=C2=A0 I measured the cap from the big rubber seal just=
 under the cap to the small rubber seal at the end of the spring and got so=
mething like .75&quot;.=C2=A0 So it looks like I need a cap with a longer s=
pring stem.=C2=A0=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><span style=
=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">=C2=A0</span>=
<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:H=
elvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">A brand name and part number would be great=
=C2=A0 And also, what should the pressure rating be?=C2=A0 What I have is 1=
3 lbs.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;=
font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><=
/div><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(=
38,40,42)">Thanks,</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(38,40,42)">Joe Brown</span><u><=
/u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></bloc=
kquote></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div>=
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