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Thank you for that offer, but I don=E2=80=99t think it is worth your =
time to take the photos, at least at this early stage. Like I said, I =
have just started researching this.
The gate has three purposes: to keep the deer out (we have a ton), to =
keep my dog in, and to hide what is in my driveway. My property is a =
thru lot, with my shop/garage in the back. Ours is the only house on =
the street that has the garage in the back. I try to be sensitive to =
how it looks to my neighbors, hence the current stockade fence/gate =
there. I have a pretty ratty looking enclosed trailer for my Alpines =
and, from time to time, random car parts sitting next to it. Stockade =
fencing was there when we bought the house and we=E2=80=99re going to =
redo it to make it a little better looking but still block the view.
FWIW, the driveway is currently unpaved but we plan on paving it in the =
spring. That doesn=E2=80=99t necessarily impact a swinging gate, but =
would probably be something to think about with a slider.
Jim
> On Feb 16, 2023, at 9:47 AM, Pat Horne <patintexas@icloud.com> wrote:
>=20
> Next question I have is what is the purpose of the gate? Keep honest =
people out? Keep someone from driving through the closed gate? Keep =
livestock in/out?
>=20
> There are a lot of sliding gates around here, I=E2=80=99ll take a look =
at how much they overlap. Some are cantilevered & some have a v-wheel =
that rides on an angle iron track across the drive. Ones I recall seeing =
don=E2=80=99t overlap on the side the gate goes to, but there is a =
stationary =E2=80=9CY=E2=80=9D shaped guide that the gate goes into. The =
Y is on the gate post but could just as easily be on the gate.=20
>=20
> I can send you some photos if you like, it would take me a few days to =
go around & get them.=20
>=20
> Peace,
> Pat
>=20
> Pat Horne=20
> We support Habitat for Humanity
>=20
>=20
> On Feb 16, 2023, at 8:36 AM, Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com =
>=20
> =EF=BB=BFThanks for all of the advice, guys. The area between the =
garage and the gate is not all that great and I think a single swinging =
gate would be more trouble than it is worth. That said, I am starting to =
think that a sliding gate might be the way to go and I have plenty of =
room on one side for the gate to slide. But, I know nothing about =
siding gates and have some research to do. And, fabricating one 16=E2=80=99=
or so frame (I gather you need plenty of overlap on each end) seems a =
lot more work than two 6.5=E2=80=99 ones. Lots to figure out, but =
fortunately I have time. I=E2=80=99ll try to remember to update the =
list when I am done.
>=20
> Jim
>=20
>=20
>> On Feb 13, 2023, at 10:06 PM, old dirtbeard <dirtbeard@gmail.com =
>>=20
>> Hi Jim,
>>=20
>> My gate opening also is just over 13' and I am using a single swing =
gate with one of the GTO SW4000 XLS gate openers.=20
>>=20
>> This opener is rated for up to 20' gates and 1,000 lbs. It should be =
about $1,100 if you have room for a single swing gate:
>> =
https://www.gatecrafters.com/product_detail_875.aspx?gclid=3DEAIaIQobChMIn=
bXKjIGU_QIVQRh9Ch1cAAq7EAQYASABEgIeJvD_BwE
>>=20
>> These all run on battery with a charger that could be from 110VAC. I =
ran 110 VAC in buried conduit to the gate (I wanted AC receptacles there =
anyway) and then plugged the charger in there, but you also could run =
the low voltage cable in the ground from the charger in the garage out =
to the gate.
>>=20
>> A solar charger also would be sufficient to keep the battery charged =
if you do not want to run cable or you do not want AC out at the gate. =
There really is no need for AC at the gate unless you want it..
>>=20
>> I also am just using the remote to open and close the gate from the =
cars, garage, house, etc. There is no reason to run control wires.
>>=20
>> I can send photos if you would like.
>>=20
>> best,
>>=20
>> doug
>>=20
>>=20
>> On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 6:15 PM Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com =
>>> The driveway opening is just over 13=E2=80=99, so two 6 1/2=E2=80=99 =
gates. The gates are about 40=E2=80=99 from the garage and I plan on =
burying a section of pvc conduit from the gate to the garage to run the =
wire and put the controls in the garage. I=E2=80=99ll probably use a =
battery backup, but our power is pretty reliable and I have a back-up =
generator wired into the main panel (manual transfer switch) so losing =
power wouldn=E2=80=99t be too big a deal. The back is pretty shaded and =
running wire to a sunny area for solar panel wouldn=E2=80=99t be any =
easier than just running it to the garage, so I=E2=80=99ll probably skip =
that. Weather-wise we are on Eastern Long Island and our climate =
isn=E2=80=99t too extreme, especially compared to Michigan!
>>>=20
>>> As for a keypad, whether or not I add one will depend on when I get =
this all done. We=E2=80=99re just starting an addition to our house and =
contractors and construction vehicles need access to the back driveway =
(our house is a thru lot). After that, it is pretty much just my wife =
and me and the main entrance to the house is in the front, so guests =
won=E2=80=99t often need access to the back.
>>>=20
>>> My main interest at this point is brand recommendations. It is hard =
to make exact comparisons, but it looks like the basic system (minus =
back up batteries, solar panels, etc.) will run me anywhere from around =
$700 to $2000, which is a pretty wide range. Common, readily available =
brands I=E2=80=99ve seen appear to be Mighty Mule, Ghost Controls, =
Topens. Doug on this list recommended a GTO until that looks really =
nice, but is about $1700 for dual gates and might be overkill for my =
needs. That said, having a trusted satisfied customer recommendation is =
worth a lot, so that remains in the consideration set.
>>>=20
>>> I=E2=80=99m still in the researching phase, so any input will be =
greatly appreciated.
>>>=20
>>> Jim
>>>=20
>>> > On Feb 13, 2023, at 3:43 PM, <alfuller194@gmail.com =
>>> >=20
>>> > Hi Jim:
>>> >=20
>>> > Do you have any particular needs as far as gate configuration go?
>>> >=20
>>> > My step-mother has a swing gate, but the clearance to the street =
means you
>>> > have to [1] when entering wait on the street for it to open, with =
added risk
>>> > of oncoming traffic, and [2] when leaving - wait on the street to =
ensure it
>>> > closed.
>>> >=20
>>> > A condo complex in California had a lift-up gate, which constantly =
broke the
>>> > belts that held up the gate. We really didn't need a lit gate, as =
there was
>>> > never an snow...
>>> >=20
>>> > Places in Michigan had gates that swung or retracted, but they =
would get
>>> > hung up in the snow or ice in the winter...
>>> >=20
>>> > If you are in a place where the electric power is unreliable, you =
might want
>>> > to consider solar power and/or backup. Do you need or want to =
integrate a
>>> > keypad into the controls? Same for an intercom?
>>> >=20
>>> > I'm sure there are more considerations, but those are what come =
immediately
>>> > to mind.
>>> >=20
>>> > ----------------
>>> > All the best,
>>> >=20
>>> > Al Fuller
>>> >=20
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net =
>>> > Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 11:30 AM
>>> > To: Shop Talk <shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net =
>>> > Subject: [Shop-talk] Automatic driveway gates
>>> >=20
>>> > Does anyone have any experience installing automatic driveway gate =
openers?
>>> > It looks pretty straight-forward, but any advice and/or brand
>>> > recommendations would be greatly appreciated. I will be =
installing a dual
>>> > gate opener for the driveway to my shop.
>>> >=20
>>> > Thanks,
>>> > Jim
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>>=20
>>=20
>> --=20
>> Best,
>>=20
>> Doug
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">Thank you for =
that offer, but I don=E2=80=99t think it is worth your time to take the =
photos, at least at this early stage. Like I said, I have just =
started researching this.<div><br></div><div>The gate has three =
purposes: to keep the deer out (we have a ton), to keep my dog in, and =
to hide what is in my driveway. My property is a thru lot, with my =
shop/garage in the back. Ours is the only house on the street that =
has the garage in the back. I try to be sensitive to how it looks =
to my neighbors, hence the current stockade fence/gate there. I =
have a pretty ratty looking enclosed trailer for my Alpines and, from =
time to time, random car parts sitting next to it. Stockade fencing was =
there when we bought the house and we=E2=80=99re going to redo it to =
make it a little better looking but still block the =
view.</div><div><div><br></div><div>FWIW, the driveway is currently =
unpaved but we plan on paving it in the spring. That doesn=E2=80=99t=
necessarily impact a swinging gate, but would probably be something to =
think about with a =
slider.</div><div><br></div><div>Jim<br><div><br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div>On Feb 16, 2023, at 9:47 AM, Pat Horne =
<patintexas@icloud.com> wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div><meta charset=3D"UTF-8"><span =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; =
display: inline !important;">Next question I have is what is the purpose =
of the gate? Keep honest people out? Keep someone from driving through =
the closed gate? Keep livestock in/out?</span><div style=3D"caret-color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: =
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: =
normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;"><br></div><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;">There are a lot of sliding gates around here, =
I=E2=80=99ll take a look at how much they overlap. Some are cantilevered =
& some have a v-wheel that rides on an angle iron track across the =
drive. Ones I recall seeing don=E2=80=99t overlap on the side the gate =
goes to, but there is a stationary =E2=80=9CY=E2=80=9D shaped guide that =
the gate goes into. The Y is on the gate post but could just as easily =
be on the gate. </div><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;"><br></div><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;">I can send you some photos if you like, it would =
take me a few days to go around & get them. </div><div =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br></div><div =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">Peace,</div><div =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">Pat<br><br><div =
dir=3D"ltr">Pat Horne <div>We support Habitat for =
Humanity</div><div><br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Feb 16, 2023, =
at 8:36 AM, Jim Stone <<a =
href=3D"mailto:1789alpine@gmail.com";>1789alpine@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BFThanks for all of the =
advice, guys. The area between the garage and the gate is not all =
that great and I think a single swinging gate would be more trouble than =
it is worth. That said, I am starting to think that a sliding gate might =
be the way to go and I have plenty of room on one side for the gate to =
slide. But, I know nothing about siding gates and have some =
research to do. And, fabricating one 16=E2=80=99 or so frame (I =
gather you need plenty of overlap on each end) seems a lot more work =
than two 6.5=E2=80=99 ones. Lots to figure out, but fortunately I =
have time. I=E2=80=99ll try to remember to update the list when I =
am done.<div><br></div><div>Jim</div><div><br><div><br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div>On Feb 13, 2023, at 10:06 PM, old dirtbeard <<a =
href=3D"mailto:dirtbeard@gmail.com";>dirtbeard@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: small;">Hi =
Jim,</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: =
small;"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: =
small;">My gate opening also is just over 13' and I am using a single =
swing gate with one of the GTO SW4000 XLS gate openers. </div><div =
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: small;"><br></div><div =
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: small;">This opener is rated =
for up to 20' gates and 1,000 lbs. It should be about $1,100 if you have =
room for a single swing gate:</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-size: small;"><a =
href=3D"https://www.gatecrafters.com/product_detail_875.aspx?gclid=3DEAIaI=
QobChMInbXKjIGU_QIVQRh9Ch1cAAq7EAQYASABEgIeJvD_BwE">https://www.gatecrafte=
rs.com/product_detail_875.aspx?gclid=3DEAIaIQobChMInbXKjIGU_QIVQRh9Ch1cAAq=
7EAQYASABEgIeJvD_BwE</a></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-size: small;"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-size: small;">These all run on battery with a charger that =
could be from 110VAC. I ran 110 VAC in buried conduit to the gate (I =
wanted AC receptacles there anyway) and then plugged the charger in =
there, but you also could run the low voltage cable in the ground from =
the charger in the garage out to the gate.</div><div =
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: small;"><br></div><div =
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: small;">A solar charger also =
would be sufficient to keep the battery charged if you do not want to =
run cable or you do not want AC out at the gate. There really is no =
need for AC at the gate unless you want it..</div><div =
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: small;"><br></div><div =
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: small;">I also am just using =
the remote to open and close the gate from the cars, garage, house, etc. =
There is no reason to run control wires.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default"=
style=3D"font-size: small;"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-size: small;">I can send photos if you would =
like.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: =
small;"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: =
small;">best,</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: =
small;"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: =
small;">doug</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: =
small;"><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 6:15 PM Jim Stone <<a =
href=3D"mailto:1789alpine@gmail.com";>1789alpine@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; =
border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">The driveway =
opening is just over 13=E2=80=99, so two 6 1/2=E2=80=99 gates. The =
gates are about 40=E2=80=99 from the garage and I plan on burying a =
section of pvc conduit from the gate to the garage to run the wire and =
put the controls in the garage. I=E2=80=99ll probably use a =
battery backup, but our power is pretty reliable and I have a back-up =
generator wired into the main panel (manual transfer switch) so losing =
power wouldn=E2=80=99t be too big a deal. The back is pretty =
shaded and running wire to a sunny area for solar panel wouldn=E2=80=99t =
be any easier than just running it to the garage, so I=E2=80=99ll =
probably skip that. Weather-wise we are on Eastern Long Island and =
our climate isn=E2=80=99t too extreme, especially compared to =
Michigan!<br><br>As for a keypad, whether or not I add one will depend =
on when I get this all done. We=E2=80=99re just starting an =
addition to our house and contractors and construction vehicles need =
access to the back driveway (our house is a thru lot). After that, =
it is pretty much just my wife and me and the main entrance to the house =
is in the front, so guests won=E2=80=99t often need access to the =
back.<br><br>My main interest at this point is brand =
recommendations. It is hard to make exact comparisons, but it =
looks like the basic system (minus back up batteries, solar panels, =
etc.) will run me anywhere from around $700 to $2000, which is a pretty =
wide range. Common, readily available brands I=E2=80=99ve seen =
appear to be Mighty Mule, Ghost Controls, Topens. Doug on this =
list recommended a GTO until that looks really nice, but is about $1700 =
for dual gates and might be overkill for my needs. That said, =
having a trusted satisfied customer recommendation is worth a lot, so =
that remains in the consideration set.<br><br>I=E2=80=99m still in the =
researching phase, so any input will be greatly =
appreciated.<br><br>Jim<br><br>> On Feb 13, 2023, at 3:43 PM, <<a =
href=3D"mailto:alfuller194@gmail.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">alfuller194@gmail.com</a>> <<a =
href=3D"mailto:alfuller194@gmail.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">alfuller194@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Hi =
Jim:<br>><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> =
Do you have any particular needs as far as gate configuration =
go?<br>><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> =
My step-mother has a swing gate, but the clearance to the street means =
you<br>> have to [1] when entering wait on the street for it to open, =
with added risk<br>> of oncoming traffic, and [2] when leaving - wait =
on the street to ensure it<br>> closed.<br>><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> A condo complex in =
California had a lift-up gate, which constantly broke the<br>> belts =
that held up the gate. We really didn't need a lit gate, as there =
was<br>> never an snow...<br>><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Places in Michigan =
had gates that swung or retracted, but they would get<br>> hung up in =
the snow or ice in the winter...<br>><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> If you are in a =
place where the electric power is unreliable, you might want<br>> to =
consider solar power and/or backup. Do you need or want to =
integrate a<br>> keypad into the controls? Same for an =
intercom?<br>><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> I'm sure there are =
more considerations, but those are what come immediately<br>> to =
mind.<br>><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> =
----------------<br>> All the best,<br>><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Al =
Fuller<br>><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> =
-----Original Message-----<br>> From: Shop-talk <<a =
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target=3D"_blank">shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> On Behalf Of =
Jim Stone<br>> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 11:30 AM<br>> To: =
Shop Talk <<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net"; =
target=3D"_blank">shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net</a>><br>> Subject: =
[Shop-talk] Automatic driveway gates<br>><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Does anyone have =
any experience installing automatic driveway gate openers?<br>> It =
looks pretty straight-forward, but any advice and/or brand<br>> =
recommendations would be greatly appreciated. I will be installing =
a dual<br>> gate opener for the driveway to my shop.<br>><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Thanks,<br>> =
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