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Thanks, Simon. That=E2=80=99s good to know.
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DFD
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From: Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Simon =
Matthews via Mgs
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 1:39 PM
To: Max Heim
Cc: MGS
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Bad Fuel Question
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Condencers can fail in two ways, open and closed. If they fail closed =
(shorted), you are not going anywhere, but if they fail open (infinite =
capacitance), much of the energy in the spark can be lost through arcing =
across the points, leading to rough running.
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Simon
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On Tue, Jul 23, 2019, 9:03 AM Max Heim via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> =
wrote:
I understand how it could make the car inoperable. I don=E2=80=99t see =
an explanation for an intermediate state.
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Max Heim
mvheim@sonic.net
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On Jul 23, 2019, at 6:53 AM, Charley Robinson <Charley38@twc.com> wrote:
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Not true, Max. When the points open, the condenser discharges through =
the coil in order to perpetuate the spark. Without the condenser the =
engine may not even start. Try it some time. :-)
CR
On 7/22/2019 1:18 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:
How do bad condensers cause rough running? All they do is prevent the =
points from burning. Oh, you are saying the points are burnt.=20
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Max Heim
'66 MGB
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On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:10 AM, i erbs via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:
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could also be a bad a condenser. Could coincidental, not causational. =
How old is the condenser? Even if newish, there are lots of crappy new =
Lucas parts out there. I had three bad ones with similar results, until =
replaced with a Distributor Doctor HD condenser.
Ira Erbs=20
Portland,OR
_______ _______
(______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)
(_________________________)
BT7 engine and disk brakes
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1967 MGB Description: Image removed by sender. MG
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A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti
Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words
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On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 10:36 AM David Breneman via Mgs =
<mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:
I've never encountered a "bad fuel" problem before, so I'm looking
for some confirmation (or not). The local Mom-without-Pop store put
in new pumps, and one of the things they're offering now is 92 octane =
(US)
alcohol-free gas. I had about a quarter tank in my MGA (w/MGB high
compression engine) so I went to fill up. The pump with the alcohol-
free gas was out of order! So I put in three gallons of regular 92=20
octane, and about 1/4 mile from the station started experiencing a lot
of misfiring, mostly when accelerating in 3rd and 4th. I continued
driving like this for about 20 miles to see if it would clear up and it
never did. I can't imagine it's anything but the fuel, but I've never
encountered "bad fuel" situation like this in 44 years of driving.
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The fact that it started about 1/4 mile after leaving the station seems
like pretty good evidence. Any other possibilities? Is there any =
option
other than to just burn through this half tank of gas?
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Thanks! =20
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Thanks, Simon. That=E2=80=99s good to know.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>DFD<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><a =
name=3D"_MailEndCompose"><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></a></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
4.0pt'><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Simon =
Matthews via Mgs<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 23, 2019 1:39 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> Max Heim<br><b>Cc:</b> MGS<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mgs] =
Bad Fuel Question<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Condencers can fail in two ways, open and closed. If =
they fail closed (shorted), you are not going anywhere, but if they fail =
open (infinite capacitance), much of the energy in the spark can be lost =
through arcing across the points, leading to rough =
running.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Simon<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Tue, Jul 23, 2019, 9:03 AM Max Heim via Mgs <<a =
href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net";>mgs@autox.team.net</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
understand how it could make the car inoperable. I don=E2=80=99t see an =
explanation for an intermediate state.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>--<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Max =
Heim<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><a =
href=3D"mailto:mvheim@sonic.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">mvheim@sonic.net</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On Jul 23, 2019, at 6:53 AM, Charley Robinson <<a =
href=3D"mailto:Charley38@twc.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">Charley38@twc.com</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Not true, Max. When the points =
open, the condenser discharges through the coil in order to perpetuate =
the spark. Without the condenser the engine may not even =
start. Try it some time. <span =
class=3Dm-8879707449479399274moz-smiley-s1>:-)</span><br><br>CR<o:p></o:p=
></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On 7/22/2019 1:18 PM, Max Heim via Mgs =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal>How =
do bad condensers cause rough running? All they do is prevent the points =
from burning. Oh, you are saying the points are burnt. =
<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>--<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Max =
Heim<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>'66 =
MGB<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:10 AM, i erbs via Mgs <<a =
href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">mgs@autox.team.net</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>could also =
be a bad a condenser. Could coincidental, not causational. How old is =
the condenser? Even if newish, there are lots of crappy new Lucas parts =
out there. I had three bad ones with similar results, until replaced =
with a Distributor Doctor HD condenser.<br =
clear=3Dall><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div=
><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Ira Erbs =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Portland,OR<=
o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt'> _______ =
=
_______<br> (______ =
\____1959 BN4____/ _______)<br> =
(_________________________)</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> =
BT7 engine and disk =
brakes<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> <=
/o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> <=
/o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>1967 MGB =
<span style=3D'border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'><img =
border=3D0 width=3D100 height=3D100 id=3D"Picture_x0020_1" =
src=3D"cid:~WRD000.jpg" alt=3D"Description: Image removed by sender. =
MG"></span><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> <=
/o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333=
333'>A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario =
Andretti</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Please =
excuse random auto corrects and misspelled =
words<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></di=
v></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> <=
/o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>On Mon, Jul =
22, 2019 at 10:36 AM David Breneman via Mgs <<a =
href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">mgs@autox.team.net</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>I've never =
encountered a "bad fuel" problem before, so I'm =
looking<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>for some =
confirmation (or not). The local Mom-without-Pop store =
put<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>in new =
pumps, and one of the things they're offering now is 92 octane =
(US)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>alcohol-fre=
e gas. I had about a quarter tank in my MGA (w/MGB =
high<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>compression=
engine) so I went to fill up. The pump with the =
alcohol-<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>free gas =
was out of order! So I put in three gallons of regular 92<span =
class=3Dm-8879707449479399274apple-converted-space> </span><o:p></o:=
p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>octane, =
and about 1/4 mile from the station started experiencing a =
lot<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>of =
misfiring, mostly when accelerating in 3rd and 4th. I =
continued<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
class=3Dm-8879707449479399274gmail-m9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st><spa=
n style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>driving =
like this for about 20 miles to see if it would clear up and =
it</span></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p>=
</span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
class=3Dm-8879707449479399274gmail-m9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st><spa=
n style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>never =
did. I can't imagine it's anything but the fuel, but I've =
never</span></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p>=
</span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
class=3Dm-8879707449479399274gmail-m9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st><spa=
n =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>encountered=
"bad fuel" situation like this in 44 years of =
driving.</span></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p>=
</span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> =
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
class=3Dm-8879707449479399274gmail-m9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st><spa=
n style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>The fact =
that it started about 1/4 mile after leaving the station =
seems</span></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p>=
</span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
class=3Dm-8879707449479399274gmail-m9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st><spa=
n style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>like =
pretty good evidence. Any other possibilities? Is there any =
option</span></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p>=
</span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
class=3Dm-8879707449479399274gmail-m9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st><spa=
n style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>other =
than to just burn through this half tank of gas?</span></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p>=
</span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> =
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
class=3Dm-8879707449479399274gmail-m9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st><spa=
n =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Thanks!&nbs=
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