Re: [Mgs] Bad Fuel Question

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I understand how it could make the car inoperable. I don=E2=80=99t see =
an explanation for an intermediate state.

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> On Jul 23, 2019, at 6:53 AM, Charley Robinson <Charley38@twc.com> =
wrote:
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> Not true, Max.  When the points open, the condenser discharges through =
the coil in order to perpetuate the spark.  Without the condenser the =
engine may not even start.  Try it some time. :-)
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> CR
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> On 7/22/2019 1:18 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:
>> How do bad condensers cause rough running? All they do is prevent the =
points from burning. Oh, you are saying the points are burnt.
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>> '66 MGB
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>>> On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:10 AM, i erbs via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net =
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>>> could also be a bad a condenser. Could coincidental, not =
causational. How old is the condenser? Even if newish, there are lots of =
crappy new Lucas parts out there. I had three bad ones with similar =
results, until replaced with  a Distributor Doctor HD condenser.
>>> Ira Erbs
>>> Portland,OR
>>>       _______                                  _______
>>>      (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)
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>>>           BT7 engine and disk brakes
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>>> 1967 MGB =20
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>>> A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario =
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>>> Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words
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>>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 10:36 AM David Breneman via Mgs =
>>> I've never encountered a "bad fuel" problem before, so I'm looking
>>> for some confirmation (or not).  The local Mom-without-Pop store put
>>> in new pumps, and one of the things they're offering now is 92 =
octane (US)
>>> alcohol-free gas.  I had about a quarter tank in my MGA (w/MGB high
>>> compression engine) so I went to fill up.  The pump with the =
alcohol-
>>> free gas was out of order!  So I put in three gallons of regular 92=20=

>>> octane, and about 1/4 mile from the station started experiencing a =
lot
>>> of misfiring, mostly when accelerating in 3rd and 4th.  I continued
>>> driving like this for about 20 miles to see if it would clear up and =
it
>>> never did.  I can't imagine it's anything but the fuel, but I've =
never
>>> encountered "bad fuel" situation like this in 44 years of driving.
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>>> The fact that it started about 1/4 mile after leaving the station =
seems
>>> like pretty good evidence.  Any other possibilities?  Is there any =
option
>>> other than to just burn through this half tank of gas?
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class=3D"">On Jul 23, 2019, at 6:53 AM, Charley Robinson &lt;<a =
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    Not true, Max.&nbsp; When the points open, the condenser discharges
    through the coil in order to perpetuate the spark.&nbsp; Without the
    condenser the engine may not even start.&nbsp; Try it some time. =
<span class=3D"moz-smiley-s1"><span class=3D"">:-)</span></span><br =
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    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 7/22/2019 1:18 PM, Max Heim via =
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      How do bad condensers cause rough running? All they do is prevent
      the points from burning. Oh, you are saying the points are burnt.
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              <div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 13px; min-height:
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            <div class=3D"">On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:10 AM, i erbs via Mgs
              &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; class=3D"" =
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">mgs@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
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                -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D"">could also =
be
                a bad a condenser. Could coincidental, not causational.
                How old is the condenser? Even if newish, there are lots
                of crappy new Lucas parts out there. I had three bad
                ones with similar results, until replaced with&nbsp; a
                Distributor Doctor HD condenser.<br class=3D"" =
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                                                  BT7 engine and disk
                                                  brakes</div>
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                                                <div class=3D"">1967 MGB =
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class=3D"">A racing
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                                                    with a thousand
                                                    adjustments. Mario
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                                                <div class=3D"">Please
                                                  excuse random auto
                                                  corrects and
                                                  misspelled words</div>
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                <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jul 22, =
2019
                  at 10:36 AM David Breneman via Mgs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; class=3D"" =
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                        <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">I've never =
encountered a
                          "bad fuel" problem before, so I'm =
looking</div>
                        <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">for some =
confirmation
                          (or not).&nbsp; The local Mom-without-Pop =
store put</div>
                        <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">in new pumps, and =
one of
                          the things they're offering now is 92 octane
                          (US)<br class=3D"">
                        </div>
                        <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">alcohol-free =
gas.&nbsp; I had
                          about a quarter tank in my MGA (w/MGB =
high</div>
                        <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">compression engine) =
so I
                          went to fill up.&nbsp; The pump with the =
alcohol-</div>
                        <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">free gas was out of
                          order!&nbsp; So I put in three gallons of =
regular
                          92<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D"">
                        </div>
                        <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">octane, and about =
1/4
                          mile from the station started experiencing a
                          lot</div>
                        <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">of misfiring, mostly
                          when accelerating in 3rd and 4th.&nbsp; I =
continued</div>
                        <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><span class=3D""><span=
 class=3D"gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">driving
                              like this for about 20 miles to see if it
                              would clear up and it</span></span></div>
                        <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><span class=3D""><span=
 class=3D"gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">never
                              did.&nbsp; I can't imagine it's anything =
but
                              the fuel, but I've =
never</span></span></div>
                        <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><span class=3D""><span=
 class=3D"gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">encountered
                              "bad fuel" situation like this in 44 years
                              of driving.</span></span></div>
                        <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><span class=3D""><span=
 class=3D"gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st"><br class=3D"">
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                        <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><span class=3D""><span=
 class=3D"gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">The
                              fact that it started about 1/4 mile after
                              leaving the station =
seems</span></span></div>
                        <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><span class=3D""><span=
 class=3D"gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">like
                              pretty good evidence.&nbsp; Any other
                              possibilities?&nbsp; Is there any =
option</span></span></div>
                        <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><span class=3D""><span=
 class=3D"gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">other
                              than to just burn through this half tank
                              of gas?</span></span></div>
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                        <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><span class=3D""><span=
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