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Re: Road Racers vs Autocrossers

To: Pat Kelly <lollipop@ricochet.net>
Subject: Re: Road Racers vs Autocrossers
From: Debbie Stohn <dstohn@mediaone.net>
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 21:36:02 -0800
Yes, but once your kids have left the nest, you get to thinking about all the
things you maybe either didn't get to do or didn't get to do enough of and you
fling caution to the wind!!!

Pat Kelly wrote:

> Fear factor? I called it common sense when I stopped; pregnancy was another
> factor. Guess guys don't contend with that little problem, but pregnancy bring
> common sense very much into the picture as far as road racing goes.
> --Pat Kelly
>
> Donn Vickrey wrote:
>
> > Eric Linnhoff wrote:
> >
> > > Do autocross drivers make better road racers or do road racers make better
> > > autocross drivers?
> >
> > That's a difficult question to answer...  Some of the skills required for
> > the two forms of motorsports are similar, but some are very different.  I
> > autocrossed for about a year and a half before going road racing (about 2
> > years ago).  Here is my take on it.
> >
> > Autocross is the *very best* way to learn car control and technical driving
> > skills.  Accomplished autocrossers are better at finding the right line and
> > maneuvering their vehicles through complex (especially tight or slow)
> > corners than any other type of competitor.  IMHO, anyone - club racers and
> > even professional drivers - can benefit tremendously by competing in
> > autocross.  In fact, the very best racers that I have competed against (in
> > wheel-to-wheel racing) are also very accomplished autocrossers.
> >
> > To be successful at road racing, you need to have the technical skills of a
> > "decent" autocrosser (but not a national champ) and the courage to go flat
> > out in 100+ mph corners with someone else only inches from (or even
> > touching) your car.  You also need the ability to think
> > analytically/strategically in order to "outwit" your competitors.  It's not
> > enough to just driver a slighly better line.  You have to actually get past
> > them on the track in order to win.  So, you have to be able to mentally
> > calculate the effects of different lines (lines will not be optimal but may
> > allow you to pass) in order to plan a maneuver that will allow you to pass
> > your fellow competitors.
> >
> > Suffice it to say that it takes a little different set of skills to win in
> > wheel-to-wheel racing vs. autocross.  But, I don't think that it is fair to
> > say that one type of competition is harder or more challenging than another.
> > They are both very challenging in their own way.
> >
> > So, back to your main question.  Do autocrossers make better road racers, or
> > vice versa?  I'll answer the easy part first.  Some drivers have both sets
> > of skills (like Jeff Altenberg).  These competitors tend to be very, very
> > good at road racing (and auto-x) and very tough to beat.
> >
> > Now, for the tougher cases.  Road racers who have really bad technical
> > skills can be reasonably successful with a lot of seat time to help them
> > overcome their lack of technical skills.  By running the same track
> > repeatedly, they can eventually figure out the line by mimicking others.
> > But, they will never be good autocrossers unless they pick up the technical
> > skills through coaching, autocross, or some other means.
> >
> > Good autocrossers who are either intimidated by high speeds and
> > wheel-to-wheel racing or can't figure out the strategy part tend to have a
> > very difficult time with road racing.  Mentally, they have to overcome the
> > fear factor (or learn strategy) to be able to compete.  The stategy can be
> > learned with practice (just like you can learn technical skills with
> > practice).  But, those who are unable to overcome the fear factor usually
> > give up on road racing.
> >
> > Yours in speed,
> >
> > Donn Vickrey
> > San Diego, CA
> > '97 M3 Coupe
> > '83 Spec RX-7  (1998 SP Div. Champion)
> > e-mail: dvickrey@camelbackra.com




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