Thanks Mark.
Look, here's another big statement like my last one:
1) The only reason to talk about futzing with the classing in the formula
car classes is because you want to increase participation in those classes.
2) Adding another competitive "formula" to the list of competitive
"formulas" isn't going to do that. The new competitors you are looking for
are going to be existing autocrossers who either want to "graduate" to
Formula Cars, or they don't.
3) If you want to attract autocrossers to the formula car classes, you need
one thing: CONTINGENCY MONEY.
So, that's what the MAC should be doing. Find a way to get contingencies
into the formula car classes, and I predict that you'll find PLENTY of
competitors.
Josh
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Sirota" <mark@sirota.org>
To: "CHARLES J VOBORIL" <cvoboril@msn.com>; <awhollis@swbell.net>; "Voboril,
Chuck" <Chuck.Voboril@specastro.com>; "Josh Sirota" <josh@sirota.org>; "Tom
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Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: CM F2000
> --On Tuesday, December 30, 2003 8:42 AM -0700 CHARLES J VOBORIL
> <cvoboril@msn.com> wrote:
> > "There are those who would love to run FF2000" is evidenced by Josh in
> > this discussion.
> > Sample of one yesterday, I admit.
>
> Wow, a massive discussion that I just caught up on.
>
> Chuck, Josh is an existing nationally competitive autocrosser, a past
> national champion in CM. When he (or any member of the group of people
> you're choosing him to represent) selects a car, he evaluates the classing
> structure, his own driving talent, and interests to select something that
> will be fun for him and in which he can win. If the FF2000 is that car,
he
> will select it. If not, then he'll choose something else. He has only
> professed that the concept of a GCR-legal FF2000 holds interest for him,
> but if it's not competitive anywhere, it's not like he's not going to
> participate in Solo II.
>
> You seem to agree that crossover from club racing or kart racing has been
> proven over and over again to be a dream. People don't cross over, for
the
> most part. People select the sport in which they are interested and
choose
> vehicles and classes appropriate for that sport. Classing the FF2000
> competitively is simply not going to increase the numbers of Solo II
> participants. It *may* increase the number of Modified participants at
the
> expense of other categories, and we could evaluate whether that is a
> worthwhile goal.
>
> The only crossover concept that is at all relevant is crossover of the
> vehicle. When designing or restructuring a class, we must ensure that
> there is a reasonable supply of vehicles for competitors choosing that
> class. If it were difficult to acquire or keep a CM car today then this
> might be cause for squeezing the FF2000 into CM, but it isn't.
>
> On the other hand, some of the extant BM proposals point out the lack of
> growth in that class, the nature of the vehicles (overweight DSRs and
> bastardized Atlantics), and suggest that vehicle accessibility might be an
> issue there. If so, then work on that, not on undermining one of the very
> tenets of the most successful Modified class we have -- true GCR
> conformance.
>
> Regardless of whether an overweight FF2000 without wings has the
> appropriate performance parameters for CM, it's a poor fit. It is my
> opinion that there would be little to no benefit and several potential
> downsides. It has been an interesting academic exercise, but it's time to
> move on.
>
> Of course, it is the class in which I have participated for ten seasons,
so
> I may be more biased than I am knowledgeable and wise. I'll leave that
for
> all of you to decide.
>
> Mark
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