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Re: CM F2000

To: j <garryj@localnet.com>, Josh Sirota <josh@sirota.org>
Subject: Re: CM F2000
From: "Bill Engle, Sr." <whesr@iglou.com>
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 18:45:16 -0500
Yes, but Tommy isn't going to like adding 1000 lbs. to his car.  IMHO
Bill




At 04:16 PM 12/29/2003, j wrote:
>Tommy wrote:
>  > Don't over react!  Think about it, the 2000 fits.
>
>
>Actually, the place for FF2000 is B Mod.  The FA cars are very expensive
>to buy, develop, and maintain.  The sportsracers and big formula cars
>are the ones that need to be restricted in some way to allow the FF2000
>to be competitive.  I believe a FF2000 set up as well as a top notch CM
>car would beat CM by at least 1.5 seconds per day at Nationals, maybe
>more.  It wouldn't take all that much to slow down the current BM cars
>to make FF2000 competitive there.
>
>So if there is an outcry to make the FF2000 competitive in Solo II, then
>a realigned BM is the place for it.  However, except for maybe one voice
>on the MAC, Chris P, and Tommy, there has been no call for it.
>
>Jim
>
>
>Josh Sirota wrote:
>
> > What is it Tommy, are you afraid of those FF2000s kicking your ass in
> > BM?  :-)
> >
> > Seriously, I'm not a fan of restrictors and huge weight penalties to
> > try to produce equality.  These sorts of things just produce bastard
> > cars.  Especially considering that the proposal in Fastrack calls for
> > removing the wings.
> >
> > Personally, if I were to get into the class again, and the options were:
> >      FF1600 (as today)
> >      S2000 (as today)
> >      FF2000 without wings and with restrictors/weight
> > I can't imagine wanting to do the third one, unless the restrictors
> > and weight penalties were such that I thought it would still have an
> > advantage.  Why do you think this would increase CM class entries?
> >
> >
> >     ----- Original Message -----
> >     From: Tom Saunders <mailto:tomsaunders1@charter.net>
> >     To: Gary Godula <mailto:ggodula@ford.com>
> >     Cc: Jim and Rose Ann Garry <mailto:garryj@localnet.com> ; Andy
> >     Hollis <mailto:awhollis@swbell.net> ; Bill Gendron
> >     <mailto:smallfortune@juno.com> ; Bill Smiley
> >     <mailto:SmileyRacing@email.msn.com> ; Bob Woods
> >     <mailto:woods@mae.uta.edu> ; Bruce Dickey
> >     <mailto:mbrucedickey@aol.com> ; CHARLES J VOBORIL
> >     <mailto:cvoboril@msn.com> ; Charlie Mathews
> >     <mailto:cmathews3@mchsi.com> ; CM <mailto:autox-cm@autox.team.net>
> >     ; Colan Arnold <mailto:colan.arnold@seabury.com> ; Craig Carr
> >     <mailto:solocarr@earthlink.net> ; Dan Cole
> >     <mailto:Eurocross@aol.com> ; Doug Gill <mailto:DGill@scca.com> ;
> >     Eric Jones <mailto:edj@austin.ibm.com> ; Josh Sirota
> >     <mailto:josh@sirota.org> ; Kenny Baker
> >     <mailto:webmaster@autocross.com> ; Mark Sirota
> >     <mailto:mark@sirota.org> ; peter calhoun
> >     <mailto:CALHOUN65@aol.com> ; Pruett, Christopher (CK)
> >     <mailto:CKPruett@dow.com> ; Sam & Greg Scharnberg
> >     <mailto:samandgreg@netins.net> ; Stuart Lumpkin
> >     <mailto:lumpkins@cdcstihl.biz> ; Voboril, Chuck
> >     <mailto:Chuck.Voboril@specastro.com>
> >     Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 11:10 AM
> >     Subject: CM F2000
> >
> >     Gary
> >
> >     Don't over react!  Think about it, the 2000 fits.
> >
> >     Frame and suspension are the same, in some cases, exactly.
> >
> >     Power easily fixed with restrictor plate, conservatively.
> >
> >     CM has turned the corner, beginning to decline.  Check numbers.
> >     FF has been in decline for years.
> >
> >     S2000 has not been overwhelming in CM, even with hp and downforce
> >     advantage.  They look big, because of body, but wb/track
> >     essentially the same.
> >
> >     F2000 is healthy.  We will also have to address FSCCA soon,
> >     another version of F2000, which should also land in CM, restricted.
> >
> >     IMHO, the stock F2000 wings/diffusers have little effect in Solo 2

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