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James:
These are not particularly rare cars (yet) so it's hard to make a case for =
the kind of repair this British car "artiste" is pushing. Objectively speak=
ing, this guy is so stubbornly set in his ways that I would walk away from =
him - no run!
I had a moment of truth like that with my car. It was there in plain sight =
when I drove 700 miles to buy it - fiberglass patch on the panel beneath th=
e battery. It was not exactly pristine correct but it was solid. I had to m=
ake a decision then, but I did buy it. After all the other work I did on th=
e car it was NOT an item that ever caused me concern. Frankly, if I was fac=
ed with doing that same repair I probably would have done the same thing.
What I'm saying here is that if you enjoy your car and are otherwise happy =
with it, save yourself some money and have it fixed in whatever way that ma=
kes sense. Like paint and modifications, repairs can be re-done by future o=
wners.
PS - Silicone fluid is just fantastic!=C2=A0
Jim Jones
From: James_ via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net>
To: "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net>=20
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 3:42 PM
Subject: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote...
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>Hi all=E2=80=A6
First=E2=80=A6.I am so depressed - I may sell the TR6 and walk away=E2=80=
=A6.seriously=E2=80=A6even after 22 years of my entire adult life.
I just met and got a quote from a guy that generally works on Austin Healey=
's=E2=80=A6and I gather he does very high end work=E2=80=A6.and accustom to=
people with deep pockets.So that was probably my mistake, but still is pro=
bably the best approach to have work done 100% thorough and correct.
First: I was told floor pans require the car body to be off the frame to re=
place.First overwhelming thought=E2=80=A6body of the car? ugh.
Second: I have a few bad spots of rust that need panels fabricated and weld=
ed. The worse is under the master cylinder and rust haseaten through the in=
ner and outer wheel arch. It affects the pedal box too.(I can send a pictur=
e if anyone is interested)
So the guy was really wanting the body removed, sand blasted, panels repair=
ed and powder coated.Sounds awesome. But it all gets down to time and money=
. a LOT of money and the rest of the year.Roughly, looking at $10-20K. for =
a TR6. yikes. Not sure I love the car that much. I know repairing old cars =
will ALWAYS cost more than a car is worth.I know that. Don't lecture about =
that. But...my rust is not a 'rust bucket' by any means. And for $20K I can=
=C2=A0find a car=C2=A0that=C2=A0comes close to showroom condition!!!
I guess I am so depressed / disappointed / overwhelmed / sad / hmmmm=E2=80=
=A6.what else=E2=80=A6
=E2=80=A6I am at a loss as to what to do. One option: Say screw it and live=
with the rotten areas, put the car back to gather and drive it.or:Sell the=
dang thing and walk away. Maybe I finally reached that "mercy=E2=80=A6merc=
y=E2=80=A6no more=E2=80=A6make it stop" stage.- I doubt I could bring mysel=
f to buy a TR6 again=E2=80=A6.I mean, what's the point. Mine isn't THAT awf=
ul and =C2=A0I know the history of THIS car.
Or:another option=E2=80=A6.(my original desire/thought) is to have the area=
s repaired and new floor boards installed by someone that does a really goo=
d welding job=C2=A0but not nearly as intense of a procedure=C2=A0or expensi=
ve. I know=E2=80=A6you get what you pay for.=C2=A0
This winter: I removed everything from the engine to detail it out and ever=
ything is ready to go back in once the rust was fixed and engine bay painte=
d.At this point, I may as well sell off all the PARTS - they'd be worth mor=
e they the car as a whole at this point. And everything is removed!(only ha=
lf kidding=E2=80=A6.)
Oh, one more thing=E2=80=A6.this guy is DEAD set against my thought of swit=
ching to Silicone brake fluid. I mean, DEAD set against and talking about w=
arranty being voided if I use it.I looked at him and said: "What Warranty i=
s that?" "It isn't like there is a dealership I can go to" "I buy parts, I =
put them on." I am the warranty department!He mentioned the warranty of the=
parts I buy from Moss, etc. hmmmm=E2=80=A6.They void it if the silicone fa=
lls the parts.Really? Moss SELLS Silicone brake fluid.=C2=A0I suspect all t=
his is because his DAD is against Silicone and he just follows what his dad=
hates.=C2=A0
I was recently curious why=C2=A0auto stores don't seem to carry DOT 5 Silic=
one as much as the other types. So now with this restoration guy's comments=
=E2=80=A6is Silicone THAT bad/poorly rated?
Well, any advice or words of comfort?
James
1976 TR6=C2=A0
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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:He=
lveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;fo=
nt-size:16px"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_23991"><span id=3D"yui_=
3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24298">James:</span></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_14=
33943627347_23990"><span><br></span></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_143394362=
7347_23982" dir=3D"ltr">These are not particularly rare cars (yet) so it's =
hard to make a case for the kind of repair this British car "artiste" is pu=
shing. Objectively speaking, this guy is so stubbornly set in his ways that=
I would walk away from him - no run!<span><br></span></div><div id=3D"yui_=
3_16_0_1_1433943627347_23982" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1=
_1433943627347_23982" dir=3D"ltr"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_23=
981">I had a moment of truth like that with my car. It was there in plain s=
ight when I drove 700 miles to buy it - fiberglass patch on the panel benea=
th the battery. It was not exactly pristine correct but it was solid. I had=
to make a decision then, but I did buy it. After all the other work I did =
on the car it was NOT an item that ever caused me concern. Frankly, if I wa=
s faced with doing that same repair I probably would have done the same thi=
ng.</span></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_23982" dir=3D"ltr"><s=
pan><br></span></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_23982" dir=3D"lt=
r">What I'm saying here is that if you enjoy your car and are otherwise hap=
py with it, save yourself some money and have it fixed in whatever way that=
makes sense. Like paint and modifications, repairs can be re-done by futur=
e owners.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_23982" dir=3D"ltr"><br=
></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_23982" dir=3D"ltr">PS - Silico=
ne fluid is just fantastic!</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_2398=
2" dir=3D"ltr"> <br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_23938"=
><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_23937">Jim Jones
<br><br></div></div><br> <div style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helveti=
ca Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24278"> <div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica=
Neue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-siz=
e: 16px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24277"> <div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"y=
ui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24276"> <hr size=3D"1"> <font size=3D"2" face=3D=
"Arial" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24289"> <b><span style=3D"font-wei=
ght:bold;">From:</span></b> James_ via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net><b=
r> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> "6pack@autox.team.n=
et" <6pack@autox.team.net> <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;"=
>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, June 9, 2015 3:42 PM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-=
weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust re=
pair quote...<br> </font> </div> <div class=3D"y_msg_container" id=3D"yui_3=
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<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24281"><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3_1=
6_0_1_1433943627347_24280"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24286">Hi =
all=E2=80=A6</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24285"><br></div><d=
iv id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24284">First=E2=80=A6.<span style=3D"fo=
nt-size:12pt;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24283">I am so depressed - =
I may sell the TR6 and walk away=E2=80=A6.seriously=E2=80=A6even after 22 y=
ears of my entire adult life.</span></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_143394362=
7347_24279"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24491">I just m=
et and got a quote from a guy that generally works on Austin Healey's=E2=80=
=A6and I gather he does very high end work=E2=80=A6.and accustom to people =
with deep pockets.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24516">So tha=
t was probably my mistake, but still is probably the best approach to have =
work done 100% thorough and correct.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_143394362=
7347_24451"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24450">First: I=
was told floor pans require the car body to be off the frame to replace.</=
div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24484">First overwhelming thought=
=E2=80=A6body of the car? ugh.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_2=
4490"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24485">Second: I have=
a few bad spots of rust that need panels fabricated and welded. The worse =
is under the master cylinder and rust has</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433=
943627347_24448">eaten through the inner and outer wheel arch. It affects t=
he pedal box too.</div><div>(I can send a picture if anyone is interested)<=
/div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24483"><br></div><div>So the guy=
was really wanting the body removed, sand blasted, panels repaired and pow=
der coated.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24486">Sounds awesom=
e. But it all gets down to time and money. a LOT of money and the rest of t=
he year.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24487">Roughly, looking=
at $10-20K. for a TR6. yikes. Not sure I love the car that much. I know re=
pairing old cars will ALWAYS cost more than a car is worth.</div><div id=3D=
"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24489">I know that. Don't lecture about that. B=
ut...<span style=3D"font-size:12pt;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24488=
">my rust is not a 'rust bucket' by any means. And for $20K I can </sp=
an><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;">find a car</span><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:12pt;"> that </span><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;">comes close=
to showroom condition!!!</span></div><div><br></div><div>I guess I am so d=
epressed / disappointed / overwhelmed / sad / hmmmm=E2=80=A6.what else=E2=
=80=A6</div><div><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24452">=E2=
=80=A6I am at a loss as to what to do. One option: Say screw it and live wi=
th the rotten areas, put the car back to gather and drive it.</div><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24482"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;">or:</=
span></div><div>Sell the dang thing and walk away. Maybe I finally reached =
that "mercy=E2=80=A6mercy=E2=80=A6no more=E2=80=A6make it stop" stage.</div=
><div>- I doubt I could bring myself to buy a TR6 again=E2=80=A6.I mean, wh=
at's the point. Mine isn't THAT awful and <span style=3D"font-size:12=
pt;">I know the history of THIS car.</span></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_14=
33943627347_24455"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;"><br></span></div><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24454"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347=
_24453">Or:</div><div>another option=E2=80=A6.(my original desire/thought) =
is to have the areas repaired and new floor boards installed by someone tha=
t does a really good welding job </div><div>but not nearly as intense =
of a procedure <font size=3D"3">or expensive. I know</font>=E2=80=A6<f=
ont size=3D"3">you get what you pay for. </font></div></div><div><font=
size=3D"3"><br></font></div><div>This winter: I removed everything from th=
e engine to detail it out and everything is ready to go back in once the ru=
st was fixed and engine bay painted.</div><div>At this point, I may as well=
sell off all the PARTS - they'd be worth more they the car as a whole at t=
his point. And everything is removed!</div><div>(only half kidding=E2=80=A6=
.)</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Oh, one more thing=E2=80=A6.</di=
v><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24481">this guy is DEAD set against=
my thought of switching to Silicone brake fluid. I mean, DEAD set against =
and talking about warranty being voided if I use it.</div><div>I looked at =
him and said: "What Warranty is that?" "It isn't like there is a dealership=
I can go to" "I buy parts, I put them on." I am the warranty department!</=
div><div>He mentioned the warranty of the parts I buy from Moss, etc. hmmmm=
=E2=80=A6.They void it if the silicone falls the parts.</div><div>Really? M=
oss SELLS Silicone brake fluid. </div><div>I suspect all this is becau=
se his DAD is against Silicone and he just follows what his dad hates. =
;</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24480"><br></div><div id=3D"yu=
i_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24457">I was recently curious why <font size=
=3D"3" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24456">auto stores don't seem to ca=
rry DOT 5 Silicone as much as the other types. So now with this restoration=
guy's comments</font>=E2=80=A6<font size=3D"3" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_14339436=
27347_24458">is Silicone THAT bad/poorly rated?</font></div><div id=3D"yui_=
3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24459"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_14339436273=
47_24477">Well, any advice or words of comfort?</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_=
1_1433943627347_24478"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_2447=
9">James</div><div><br></div><div>1976 TR6 </div><div><br></div> =09=
=09 =09 =09=09 </div></div>
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