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James
The man is correct that it is best to raise the body=C2=A0 to weld the repa=
ir panels, but it can be done one at a time with the body still on the fram=
e. Use the new floor pan as a guide to cut out the old panel. Make sure the=
new panel fits. Have a welder that will travel to your location and tack i=
t in. It does not need to be fully welded at one time. Do each panel this w=
ay that needs to be replaced. One thing, do bolt a bar to the A an B post s=
o the door alignment is not lost.
Once all the panels are in place the body can be raise a couple feet off th=
e frame to do any needed welding from underneath. If you get a really good =
welder he may be able to get deep penetration from the top and fore go the =
need to raise the body. There are welders that work for structural companie=
s that travel all the time check your local listings.=C2=A0
For safety, remove the gas tank and put it outside or someplace away from t=
he car.
If you are a member of the 6 pack club check out some of the basket cases o=
thers have brought back on there own.=20
There is always more than one way to thread a needle. Don't lose hope.=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 Dale
From: James_ via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net>
To: "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net>=20
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 4:42 PM
Subject: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote...
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>Hi all=E2=80=A6
First=E2=80=A6.I am so depressed - I may sell the TR6 and walk away=E2=80=
=A6.seriously=E2=80=A6even after 22 years of my entire adult life.
I just met and got a quote from a guy that generally works on Austin Healey=
's=E2=80=A6and I gather he does very high end work=E2=80=A6.and accustom to=
people with deep pockets.So that was probably my mistake, but still is pro=
bably the best approach to have work done 100% thorough and correct.
First: I was told floor pans require the car body to be off the frame to re=
place.First overwhelming thought=E2=80=A6body of the car? ugh.
Second: I have a few bad spots of rust that need panels fabricated and weld=
ed. The worse is under the master cylinder and rust haseaten through the in=
ner and outer wheel arch. It affects the pedal box too.(I can send a pictur=
e if anyone is interested)
So the guy was really wanting the body removed, sand blasted, panels repair=
ed and powder coated.Sounds awesome. But it all gets down to time and money=
. a LOT of money and the rest of the year.Roughly, looking at $10-20K. for =
a TR6. yikes. Not sure I love the car that much. I know repairing old cars =
will ALWAYS cost more than a car is worth.I know that. Don't lecture about =
that. But...my rust is not a 'rust bucket' by any means. And for $20K I can=
=C2=A0find a car=C2=A0that=C2=A0comes close to showroom condition!!!
I guess I am so depressed / disappointed / overwhelmed / sad / hmmmm=E2=80=
=A6.what else=E2=80=A6
=E2=80=A6I am at a loss as to what to do. One option: Say screw it and live=
with the rotten areas, put the car back to gather and drive it.or:Sell the=
dang thing and walk away. Maybe I finally reached that "mercy=E2=80=A6merc=
y=E2=80=A6no more=E2=80=A6make it stop" stage.- I doubt I could bring mysel=
f to buy a TR6 again=E2=80=A6.I mean, what's the point. Mine isn't THAT awf=
ul and =C2=A0I know the history of THIS car.
Or:another option=E2=80=A6.(my original desire/thought) is to have the area=
s repaired and new floor boards installed by someone that does a really goo=
d welding job=C2=A0but not nearly as intense of a procedure=C2=A0or expensi=
ve. I know=E2=80=A6you get what you pay for.=C2=A0
This winter: I removed everything from the engine to detail it out and ever=
ything is ready to go back in once the rust was fixed and engine bay painte=
d.At this point, I may as well sell off all the PARTS - they'd be worth mor=
e they the car as a whole at this point. And everything is removed!(only ha=
lf kidding=E2=80=A6.)
Oh, one more thing=E2=80=A6.this guy is DEAD set against my thought of swit=
ching to Silicone brake fluid. I mean, DEAD set against and talking about w=
arranty being voided if I use it.I looked at him and said: "What Warranty i=
s that?" "It isn't like there is a dealership I can go to" "I buy parts, I =
put them on." I am the warranty department!He mentioned the warranty of the=
parts I buy from Moss, etc. hmmmm=E2=80=A6.They void it if the silicone fa=
lls the parts.Really? Moss SELLS Silicone brake fluid.=C2=A0I suspect all t=
his is because his DAD is against Silicone and he just follows what his dad=
hates.=C2=A0
I was recently curious why=C2=A0auto stores don't seem to carry DOT 5 Silic=
one as much as the other types. So now with this restoration guy's comments=
=E2=80=A6is Silicone THAT bad/poorly rated?
Well, any advice or words of comfort?
James
1976 TR6=C2=A0
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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:He=
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nt-size:14px"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433882995504_11805">James</div><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433882995504_11801"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1=
433882995504_11781">The man is correct that it is best to raise the body&nb=
sp; to weld the repair panels, but it can be done one at a time with the bo=
dy still on the frame. Use the new floor pan as a guide to cut out the old =
panel. Make sure the new panel fits. Have a welder that will travel to your=
location and tack it in. It does not need to be fully welded at one time. =
Do each panel this way that needs to be replaced. One thing, do bolt a bar =
to the A an B post so the door alignment is not lost.</div><div id=3D"yui_3=
_16_0_1_1433882995504_11780"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_143388299550=
4_11779">Once all the panels are in place the body can be raise a couple fe=
et off the frame to do any needed welding from underneath. If you get a rea=
lly good welder he may be able to get deep penetration from the top and for=
e go the need to raise the body. There are welders that work for structural=
companies that travel all the time check your local listings. </div><=
div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433882995504_12112"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0=
_1_1433882995504_12113">For safety, remove the gas tank and put it outside =
or someplace away from the car.<br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433882995=
504_11958"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433882995504_12024">If you ar=
e a member of the 6 pack club check out some of the basket cases others hav=
e brought back on there own. <br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_143388299550=
4_12025"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433882995504_12053" dir=3D"ltr"=
>There is always more than one way to thread a needle. Don't lose hope.&nbs=
p; Dale</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433882995504_12114" dir=3D"ltr"=
><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433882995504_12125" dir=3D"ltr"><br></d=
iv> <div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433882995504_11408" style=3D"font-family: Hel=
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2126" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> James_ via 6pack <6pa=
ck@autox.team.net><br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span><=
/b> "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net> <br> <b><span style=
=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, June 9, 2015 4:42 PM<br> =
<b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [6pack] Floorpan =
replacement and Rust repair quote...<br> </font> </div> <div id=3D"yui_3_16=
_0_1_1433882995504_11406" class=3D"y_msg_container"><br original_target=3D"=
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<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433882995504_11405"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_143388=
2995504_11404" dir=3D"ltr"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433882995504_11777">Hi =
all=E2=80=A6</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433882995504_11429"><br></div><d=
iv id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433882995504_11428">First=E2=80=A6.<span id=3D"yui_3=
_16_0_1_1433882995504_11776" style=3D"font-size:12pt;">I am so depressed - =
I may sell the TR6 and walk away=E2=80=A6.seriously=E2=80=A6even after 22 y=
ears of my entire adult life.</span></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_143388299=
5504_11775"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433882995504_11418">I just m=
et and got a quote from a guy that generally works on Austin Healey's=E2=80=
=A6and I gather he does very high end work=E2=80=A6.and accustom to people =
with deep pockets.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433882995504_11403">So tha=
t was probably my mistake, but still is probably the best approach to have =
work done 100% thorough and correct.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_143388299=
5504_11774"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433882995504_11773">First: I=
was told floor pans require the car body to be off the frame to replace.</=
div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433882995504_11772">First overwhelming thought=
=E2=80=A6body of the car? ugh.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433882995504_1=
1771"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433882995504_11784">Second: I have=
a few bad spots of rust that need panels fabricated and welded. The worse =
is under the master cylinder and rust has</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433=
882995504_11770">eaten through the inner and outer wheel arch. It affects t=
he pedal box too.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433882995504_11409">(I can =
send a picture if anyone is interested)</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_143388=
2995504_11823"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433882995504_11876">So th=
e guy was really wanting the body removed, sand blasted, panels repaired an=
d powder coated.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433882995504_11769">Sounds a=
wesome. But it all gets down to time and money. a LOT of money and the rest=
of the year.</div><div>Roughly, looking at $10-20K. for a TR6. yikes. Not =
sure I love the car that much. I know repairing old cars will ALWAYS cost m=
ore than a car is worth.</div><div>I know that. Don't lecture about that. B=
ut...<span style=3D"font-size:12pt;">my rust is not a 'rust bucket' by any =
means. And for $20K I can </span><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;">find =
a car</span><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;"> that </span><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:12pt;">comes close to showroom condition!!!</span></div><d=
iv><br></div><div>I guess I am so depressed / disappointed / overwhelmed / =
sad / hmmmm=E2=80=A6.what else=E2=80=A6</div><div><br></div><div>=E2=80=A6I=
am at a loss as to what to do. One option: Say screw it and live with the =
rotten areas, put the car back to gather and drive it.</div><div><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12pt;">or:</span></div><div>Sell the dang thing and walk awa=
y. Maybe I finally reached that "mercy=E2=80=A6mercy=E2=80=A6no more=E2=80=
=A6make it stop" stage.</div><div>- I doubt I could bring myself to buy a T=
R6 again=E2=80=A6.I mean, what's the point. Mine isn't THAT awful and  =
;<span style=3D"font-size:12pt;">I know the history of THIS car.</span></di=
v><div><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;"><br></span></div><div><div>Or:</div>=
<div>another option=E2=80=A6.(my original desire/thought) is to have the ar=
eas repaired and new floor boards installed by someone that does a really g=
ood welding job </div><div>but not nearly as intense of a procedure&nb=
sp;<font size=3D"3">or expensive. I know</font>=E2=80=A6<font size=3D"3">yo=
u get what you pay for. </font></div></div><div><font size=3D"3"><br><=
/font></div><div>This winter: I removed everything from the engine to detai=
l it out and everything is ready to go back in once the rust was fixed and =
engine bay painted.</div><div>At this point, I may as well sell off all the=
PARTS - they'd be worth more they the car as a whole at this point. And ev=
erything is removed!</div><div>(only half kidding=E2=80=A6.)</div><div><br>=
</div><div><br></div><div>Oh, one more thing=E2=80=A6.</div><div>this guy i=
s DEAD set against my thought of switching to Silicone brake fluid. I mean,=
DEAD set against and talking about warranty being voided if I use it.</div=
><div>I looked at him and said: "What Warranty is that?" "It isn't like the=
re is a dealership I can go to" "I buy parts, I put them on." I am the warr=
anty department!</div><div>He mentioned the warranty of the parts I buy fro=
m Moss, etc. hmmmm=E2=80=A6.They void it if the silicone falls the parts.</=
div><div>Really? Moss SELLS Silicone brake fluid. </div><div>I suspect=
all this is because his DAD is against Silicone and he just follows what h=
is dad hates. </div><div><br></div><div>I was recently curious why&nbs=
p;<font size=3D"3">auto stores don't seem to carry DOT 5 Silicone as much a=
s the other types. So now with this restoration guy's comments</font>=E2=80=
=A6<font size=3D"3">is Silicone THAT bad/poorly rated?</font></div><div><br=
></div><div>Well, any advice or words of comfort?</div><div><br></div><div>=
James</div><div><br></div><div>1976 TR6 </div><div><br></div> =09=09 =
=09 =09=09 </div></div>
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