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Thank you James for posing an interesting conundrum, and one that =
probably more than a few of us have gone through=85 or will. I can=92t =
answer your question, but that doesn=92t mean I won=92t chip in. So, =
I=92ll relay a short story in hopes it might help you. A dozen or so =
years ago I bought a TR6. It wasn=92t perfect, nor was it represented =
to be, but as I began to explore things, I noticed that there were some =
issues that weren=92t quite to my liking. On the rare occasion I drove =
my car and I hit nature=92s wet stuff falling from the sky (yes I=92m =
guilty of driving my car) I noticed that the driver=92s side carpet was =
frequently wet. One day I decided to figure out what the exact cause of =
the leakage was. In an LBC, leakage is a common occurrence, so it could =
be coming from a variety of place. My first though was a couple of =
holes in the firewall where the rubber grommets were worn out. Maybe, =
but not really. Soon thereafter I was cleaning some gunk off of the =
driver=92s side floorpan with a large screwdriver when it went a bit =
further than I thought it could=85 straight into the area of the inner =
fender. I soon discovered an amoeba shaped hole in the floorpan. I =
became upset and depressed. Then I decided that I really liked driving =
my car and a little fiberglass could remedy the situation until I did my =
frame-off restoration. =20
Then there is the recognition that our cars are for our enjoyment, and =
that=92s worth something. So, if you are willing to have some quality =
work done and a fair price and the end result would be a car you could =
continue to enjoy for a long time to come, then you might consider going =
ahead and doing it. In the grand scheme of things, it wouldn=92t be that =
big of a price to pay. =20
In other words, who says you can=92t buy happiness, especially when it =
comes with a deep throaty roar.
Ashford Little
ralittle2@mac.com
> On Jun 9, 2015, at 4:42 PM, James_ via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> =
wrote:
>=20
> Hi all=85
>=20
> First=85.I am so depressed - I may sell the TR6 and walk =
away=85.seriously=85even after 22 years of my entire adult life.
>=20
> I just met and got a quote from a guy that generally works on Austin =
Healey's=85and I gather he does very high end work=85.and accustom to =
people with deep pockets.
> So that was probably my mistake, but still is probably the best =
approach to have work done 100% thorough and correct.
>=20
> First: I was told floor pans require the car body to be off the frame =
to replace.
> First overwhelming thought=85body of the car? ugh.
>=20
> Second: I have a few bad spots of rust that need panels fabricated and =
welded. The worse is under the master cylinder and rust has
> eaten through the inner and outer wheel arch. It affects the pedal box =
too.
> (I can send a picture if anyone is interested)
>=20
> So the guy was really wanting the body removed, sand blasted, panels =
repaired and powder coated.
> Sounds awesome. But it all gets down to time and money. a LOT of money =
and the rest of the year.
> Roughly, looking at $10-20K. for a TR6. yikes. Not sure I love the car =
that much. I know repairing old cars will ALWAYS cost more than a car is =
worth.
> I know that. Don't lecture about that. But...my rust is not a 'rust =
bucket' by any means. And for $20K I can find a car that comes close to =
showroom condition!!!
>=20
> I guess I am so depressed / disappointed / overwhelmed / sad / =
hmmmm=85.what else=85
>=20
> =85I am at a loss as to what to do. One option: Say screw it and live =
with the rotten areas, put the car back to gather and drive it.
> or:
> Sell the dang thing and walk away. Maybe I finally reached that =
"mercy=85mercy=85no more=85make it stop" stage.
> - I doubt I could bring myself to buy a TR6 again=85.I mean, what's =
the point. Mine isn't THAT awful and I know the history of THIS car.
>=20
> Or:
> another option=85.(my original desire/thought) is to have the areas =
repaired and new floor boards installed by someone that does a really =
good welding job=20
> but not nearly as intense of a procedure or expensive. I know=85you =
get what you pay for.=20
>=20
> This winter: I removed everything from the engine to detail it out and =
everything is ready to go back in once the rust was fixed and engine bay =
painted.
> At this point, I may as well sell off all the PARTS - they'd be worth =
more they the car as a whole at this point. And everything is removed!
> (only half kidding=85.)
>=20
>=20
> Oh, one more thing=85.
> this guy is DEAD set against my thought of switching to Silicone brake =
fluid. I mean, DEAD set against and talking about warranty being voided =
if I use it.
> I looked at him and said: "What Warranty is that?" "It isn't like =
there is a dealership I can go to" "I buy parts, I put them on." I am =
the warranty department!
> He mentioned the warranty of the parts I buy from Moss, etc. =
hmmmm=85.They void it if the silicone falls the parts.
> Really? Moss SELLS Silicone brake fluid.=20
> I suspect all this is because his DAD is against Silicone and he just =
follows what his dad hates.=20
>=20
> I was recently curious why auto stores don't seem to carry DOT 5 =
Silicone as much as the other types. So now with this restoration guy's =
comments=85is Silicone THAT bad/poorly rated?
>=20
> Well, any advice or words of comfort?
>=20
> James
>=20
> 1976 TR6=20
>=20
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">Thank you James for posing an interesting conundrum, and one =
that probably more than a few of us have gone through=85 or will. =
I can=92t answer your question, but that doesn=92t mean I won=92t =
chip in. So, I=92ll relay a short story in hopes it might help =
you. A dozen or so years ago I bought a TR6. It wasn=92t =
perfect, nor was it represented to be, but as I began to explore things, =
I noticed that there were some issues that weren=92t quite to my liking. =
On the rare occasion I drove my car and I hit nature=92s wet stuff =
falling from the sky (yes I=92m guilty of driving my car) I noticed that =
the driver=92s side carpet was frequently wet. One day I decided =
to figure out what the exact cause of the leakage was. In an LBC, =
leakage is a common occurrence, so it could be coming from a variety of =
place. My first though was a couple of holes in the firewall where =
the rubber grommets were worn out. Maybe, but not really. =
Soon thereafter I was cleaning some gunk off of the driver=92s =
side floorpan with a large screwdriver when it went a bit further than I =
thought it could=85 straight into the area of the inner fender. I =
soon discovered an amoeba shaped hole in the floorpan. I became =
upset and depressed. Then I decided that I really liked driving my =
car and a little fiberglass could remedy the situation until I did my =
frame-off restoration. <div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Then there is the recognition that our cars are for our =
enjoyment, and that=92s worth something. So, if you are willing to =
have some quality work done and a fair price and the end result would be =
a car you could continue to enjoy for a long time to come, then you =
might consider going ahead and doing it. In the grand scheme of things, =
it wouldn=92t be that big of a price to pay. </div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">In other words, who says =
you can=92t buy happiness, especially when it comes with a deep throaty =
roar.<br class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D"">
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class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline">Ashford Little</div><div class=3D""><a=
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<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Jun 9, 2015, at 4:42 PM, James_ via 6pack <<a =
href=3D"mailto:6pack@autox.team.net"; =
class=3D"">6pack@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D"">
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<div class=3D"hmmessage"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div class=3D"">Hi =
all=85</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">First=85.<span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;" class=3D"">I am so =
depressed - I may sell the TR6 and walk away=85.seriously=85even after =
22 years of my entire adult life.</span></div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I just met and got a quote from a guy =
that generally works on Austin Healey's=85and I gather he does very high =
end work=85.and accustom to people with deep pockets.</div><div =
class=3D"">So that was probably my mistake, but still is probably the =
best approach to have work done 100% thorough and correct.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">First: I was told floor =
pans require the car body to be off the frame to replace.</div><div =
class=3D"">First overwhelming thought=85body of the car? ugh.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Second: I have a few bad =
spots of rust that need panels fabricated and welded. The worse is under =
the master cylinder and rust has</div><div class=3D"">eaten through the =
inner and outer wheel arch. It affects the pedal box too.</div><div =
class=3D"">(I can send a picture if anyone is interested)</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">So the guy was really =
wanting the body removed, sand blasted, panels repaired and powder =
coated.</div><div class=3D"">Sounds awesome. But it all gets down to =
time and money. a LOT of money and the rest of the year.</div><div =
class=3D"">Roughly, looking at $10-20K. for a TR6. yikes. Not sure I =
love the car that much. I know repairing old cars will ALWAYS cost more =
than a car is worth.</div><div class=3D"">I know that. Don't lecture =
about that. But...<span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;" class=3D"">my rust is =
not a 'rust bucket' by any means. And for $20K I can </span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt;" class=3D"">find a car</span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt;" class=3D""> that </span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt;" class=3D"">comes close to showroom =
condition!!!</span></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">I guess I am so depressed / disappointed / overwhelmed / sad =
/ hmmmm=85.what else=85</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">=85I am at a loss as to what to do. One option: Say screw it =
and live with the rotten areas, put the car back to gather and drive =
it.</div><div class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;" =
class=3D"">or:</span></div><div class=3D"">Sell the dang thing and walk =
away. Maybe I finally reached that "mercy=85mercy=85no more=85make it =
stop" stage.</div><div class=3D"">- I doubt I could bring myself to buy =
a TR6 again=85.I mean, what's the point. Mine isn't THAT awful and =
<span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;" class=3D"">I know the history of =
THIS car.</span></div><div class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;" =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></span></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">Or:</div><div class=3D"">another option=85.(my original =
desire/thought) is to have the areas repaired and new floor boards =
installed by someone that does a really good welding job </div><div =
class=3D"">but not nearly as intense of a procedure <font size=3D"3" =
class=3D"">or expensive. I know</font>=85<font size=3D"3" class=3D"">you =
get what you pay for. </font></div></div><div class=3D""><font =
size=3D"3" class=3D""><br class=3D""></font></div><div class=3D"">This =
winter: I removed everything from the engine to detail it out and =
everything is ready to go back in once the rust was fixed and engine bay =
painted.</div><div class=3D"">At this point, I may as well sell off all =
the PARTS - they'd be worth more they the car as a whole at this point. =
And everything is removed!</div><div class=3D"">(only half =
kidding=85.)</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br=
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Oh, one more thing=85.</div><div =
class=3D"">this guy is DEAD set against my thought of switching to =
Silicone brake fluid. I mean, DEAD set against and talking about =
warranty being voided if I use it.</div><div class=3D"">I looked at him =
and said: "What Warranty is that?" "It isn't like there is a dealership =
I can go to" "I buy parts, I put them on." I am the warranty =
department!</div><div class=3D"">He mentioned the warranty of the parts =
I buy from Moss, etc. hmmmm=85.They void it if the silicone falls the =
parts.</div><div class=3D"">Really? Moss SELLS Silicone brake =
fluid. </div><div class=3D"">I suspect all this is because his DAD =
is against Silicone and he just follows what his dad =
hates. </div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I =
was recently curious why <font size=3D"3" class=3D"">auto stores =
don't seem to carry DOT 5 Silicone as much as the other types. So now =
with this restoration guy's comments</font>=85<font size=3D"3" =
class=3D"">is Silicone THAT bad/poorly rated?</font></div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Well, any advice or =
words of comfort?</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">James</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">1976 TR6 </div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>
=
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