[Healeys] Healeys Digest, Vol 13, Issue 342
Albert Seminatore
alsemus1 at gmail.com
Wed Sep 16 15:38:17 MDT 2020
I got tired of the start and go problems of the fuel pump with points. I
therefor went to a magnetic set up installed by Burlen at
https://su-rebuilders.com/.
They installed the pointless system in mine some 2 to 3 years ago and I
have no problem with it since. They are extremely hard to set up but they
can do an excellent job. After which DO NOT mess with it.
................ Al
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> 1. Water pump torque value (Linwood Rose)
> 2. Fuel pump (Fred Wescoe)
> 3. Re: Fuel pump (Max Byers)
> 4. Re: Fuel pump (alfuller194 at gmail.com)
> 5. Re: Fuel pump (Richard Kahn)
> 6. Re: Fuel pump (Michael Oritt)
> 7. Re: Fuel pump (Harold Manifold)
> 8. Re: Changing my email address (Mark J Bradakis)
> 9. Re: [Healeys) 100-4 Heat Shield with Headers (Alan Seigrist)
> 10. Re: Fuel pump (Kees Oudesluijs)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 18:10:14 -0400
> From: Linwood Rose <linwoodrose at mac.com>
> To: healeylist <Healeys at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Healeys] Water pump torque value
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> Anyone have a suggested torque value for the water pump on a Big Healey?
> Lin
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 19:13:00 -0400
> From: Fred Wescoe <fredwescoe at gmail.com>
> To: healeys <Healeys at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Healeys] Fuel pump
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> Listers,
>
> I was out for a long drive in the mountains this afternoon and on an uphill
> grade, the car lost power and as I pulled over on a pull off, the engine
> died. I sat in the car for a couple of minutes trying to restart it. I
> waited until traffic was past me and turned the key but did not hear the
> ticking of the fuel pump. I waited several minutes, tried again but no
> luck.
>
> I called AAA and they picked me and the car up for the ride home. At home,
> off the flatbed, still no ticking. So, I am thinking the fuel pump is
> dead.
>
> Looking at the Moss site, they list an early and a late BJ8 pump. The Moss
> tech couldn't tell me which I am. My car number is 29009. Am I an early
> or late pump? Also, if I switch to the double ended pump, do both ends
> work at the same time or is one end a backup for the other end? If one end
> failed would the other end provide fuel in the normal manner and save me?
>
> Should I simply go with whichever single pump is for my car and then
> install a backup pump?
>
> Just as an important aside, AAA said covid regulations prohibited me from
> riding in the tow truck cab with the driver. I was somewhat amazed at this
> but AAA offered to transfer me to the nearest car rental place as a
> service. I made my call but my ride didn't arrive before the truck driver
> (she was in the middle of a haircut so you know where that got me). The
> driver was very nice about the whole thing and did allow me in the cab with
> him (I wore my mask).
>
> I will start investigating the source of the pump problem tomorrow.
>
> Thanks for all input on this one,
>
> Fred
>
> 66 BJ8 (new or late)
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> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 19:43:44 -0400
> From: "Max Byers" <sbyers at ec.rr.com>
> To: "'healeys'" <Healeys at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Fuel pump
> Message-ID: <010801d68bba$0ceb3f50$26c1bdf0$@rr.com>
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> Fred, the BJ7/BJ8 parts manual shows that a pump with a square body was
> used from Phase 1 to chassis number 28224 in Phase 2. After that, the pump
> had a cylindrical body. Your car should have the late pump.
>
> I installed a backup fuel pump in my BJ8 to prepare for the cross-county
> trip to Lake Tahoe in 2002, using a generic Autozone electric pump as the
> backup. I have no experience with the double-ended pump.
>
>
>
> During my post-Conclave tour last September, I broke off from the tour
> group to motor into Montana alone. My backup pump (I typically drive
> outbound on the SU and home on the backup) failed just as I got into
> Montana. Once I realized why the car suddenly failed to respond to the
> accelerator, I switched to the SU and kept going. I found an identical
> backup pump at an Autozone in Minot, ND and had it installed in about 20
> minutes. Installing a backup generic pump in series with the SU is pretty
> simple. It requires cutting one of the fuel hard lines, but I had
> already done that anyway to put an in-line filter in it under the right
> rear seat. The switch is under the dash. I have had to use the switch a
> few times, and it is a comfort to know the option of another pump is there.
>
>
>
> Cheers!
>
> Steve Byers
>
> HBJ8L/36666
>
> BJ8 Registry
>
> AHCA Delegate at Large
>
> Havelock, NC USA
>
>
>
> From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Fred
> Wescoe
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 7:13 PM
> To: healeys
> Subject: [Healeys] Fuel pump
>
>
>
> Listers,
>
>
>
> I was out for a long drive in the mountains this afternoon and on an
> uphill grade, the car lost power and as I pulled over on a pull off, the
> engine died. I sat in the car for a couple of minutes trying to restart
> it. I waited until traffic was past me and turned the key but did not hear
> the ticking of the fuel pump. I waited several minutes, tried again but no
> luck.
>
>
>
> I called AAA and they picked me and the car up for the ride home. At
> home, off the flatbed, still no ticking. So, I am thinking the fuel pump
> is dead.
>
>
>
> Looking at the Moss site, they list an early and a late BJ8 pump. The
> Moss tech couldn't tell me which I am. My car number is 29009. Am I an
> early or late pump? Also, if I switch to the double ended pump, do both
> ends work at the same time or is one end a backup for the other end? If
> one end failed would the other end provide fuel in the normal manner and
> save me?
>
>
>
> Should I simply go with whichever single pump is for my car and then
> install a backup pump?
>
>
>
> Just as an important aside, AAA said covid regulations prohibited me from
> riding in the tow truck cab with the driver. I was somewhat amazed at this
> but AAA offered to transfer me to the nearest car rental place as a
> service. I made my call but my ride didn't arrive before the truck driver
> (she was in the middle of a haircut so you know where that got me). The
> driver was very nice about the whole thing and did allow me in the cab with
> him (I wore my mask).
>
>
>
> I will start investigating the source of the pump problem tomorrow.
>
>
>
> Thanks for all input on this one,
>
>
>
> Fred
>
>
>
> 66 BJ8 (new or late)
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 20:02:03 -0400
> From: <alfuller194 at gmail.com>
> To: "'Fred Wescoe'" <fredwescoe at gmail.com>, "'healeys'"
> <Healeys at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Fuel pump
> Message-ID: <0dcc01d68bbc$9c312fb0$d4938f10$@gmail.com>
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> Limora lists a pump for BN1-BN7 + BJ-8 to 28224, a different pump for BJ-8
> from 28225:
> https://www.limora.com/en/british-cars/austin-healey/austin-healey-bn1-to-bj8-1953-1968/fuel-pump-and-fuel-tank.html
>
>
>
> Hope that helps?
>
>
>
> ----------------
>
> All the best,
>
>
>
> Al Fuller
>
>
>
> From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Fred Wescoe
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 7:13 PM
> To: healeys <Healeys at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Healeys] Fuel pump
>
>
>
> Listers,
>
>
>
> I was out for a long drive in the mountains this afternoon and on an
> uphill grade, the car lost power and as I pulled over on a pull off, the
> engine died. I sat in the car for a couple of minutes trying to restart
> it. I waited until traffic was past me and turned the key but did not hear
> the ticking of the fuel pump. I waited several minutes, tried again but no
> luck.
>
>
>
> I called AAA and they picked me and the car up for the ride home. At
> home, off the flatbed, still no ticking. So, I am thinking the fuel pump
> is dead.
>
>
>
> Looking at the Moss site, they list an early and a late BJ8 pump. The
> Moss tech couldn't tell me which I am. My car number is 29009. Am I an
> early or late pump? Also, if I switch to the double ended pump, do both
> ends work at the same time or is one end a backup for the other end? If
> one end failed would the other end provide fuel in the normal manner and
> save me?
>
>
>
> Should I simply go with whichever single pump is for my car and then
> install a backup pump?
>
>
>
> Just as an important aside, AAA said covid regulations prohibited me from
> riding in the tow truck cab with the driver. I was somewhat amazed at this
> but AAA offered to transfer me to the nearest car rental place as a
> service. I made my call but my ride didn't arrive before the truck driver
> (she was in the middle of a haircut so you know where that got me). The
> driver was very nice about the whole thing and did allow me in the cab with
> him (I wore my mask).
>
>
>
> I will start investigating the source of the pump problem tomorrow.
>
>
>
> Thanks for all input on this one,
>
>
>
> Fred
>
>
>
> 66 BJ8 (new or late)
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 00:44:12 +0000
> From: Richard Kahn <tahoehealey at hotmail.com>
> To: Fred Wescoe <fredwescoe at gmail.com>, healeys
> <Healeys at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Fuel pump
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> I would serious consider rebuilding the fuel pump. It is easy and cheap.
> Try pounding on the vertical wall under the rear seat and it should start
> (temporarily) If not, check the wiring. I carry a spare (rebuilt) pump.
> With the dual pump you need to install a switch to switch form one pump to
> the other. It is not automatic.
>
> ________________________________
> From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Fred Wescoe <
> fredwescoe at gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 4:13 PM
> To: healeys <Healeys at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Healeys] Fuel pump
>
> Listers,
>
> I was out for a long drive in the mountains this afternoon and on an
> uphill grade, the car lost power and as I pulled over on a pull off, the
> engine died. I sat in the car for a couple of minutes trying to restart
> it. I waited until traffic was past me and turned the key but did not hear
> the ticking of the fuel pump. I waited several minutes, tried again but no
> luck.
>
> I called AAA and they picked me and the car up for the ride home. At
> home, off the flatbed, still no ticking. So, I am thinking the fuel pump
> is dead.
>
> Looking at the Moss site, they list an early and a late BJ8 pump. The
> Moss tech couldn't tell me which I am. My car number is 29009. Am I an
> early or late pump? Also, if I switch to the double ended pump, do both
> ends work at the same time or is one end a backup for the other end? If
> one end failed would the other end provide fuel in the normal manner and
> save me?
>
> Should I simply go with whichever single pump is for my car and then
> install a backup pump?
>
> Just as an important aside, AAA said covid regulations prohibited me from
> riding in the tow truck cab with the driver. I was somewhat amazed at this
> but AAA offered to transfer me to the nearest car rental place as a
> service. I made my call but my ride didn't arrive before the truck driver
> (she was in the middle of a haircut so you know where that got me). The
> driver was very nice about the whole thing and did allow me in the cab with
> him (I wore my mask).
>
> I will start investigating the source of the pump problem tomorrow.
>
> Thanks for all input on this one,
>
> Fred
>
> 66 BJ8 (new or late)
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 21:31:59 -0400
> From: Michael Oritt <michael.oritt at gmail.com>
> To: Fred Wescoe <fredwescoe at gmail.com>
> Cc: healeys <Healeys at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Fuel pump
> Message-ID:
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> Fred--
>
> You asked: "Also, if I switch to the double ended pump, do both ends work
> at the same time or is one end a backup for the other end? If one end
> failed would the other end provide fuel in the normal manner and save me?"
>
> Since these pumps were not original to Healeys there is no correct way to
> wire them and the answer to your question would depend entirely upon how
> you wired the power/switch. You can choose between a SPDT ("On-Off-On")
> switch where only one motor runs at a time or a SPST ("Off-On") switch (or
> no switch at all) where both motors run simultaneously. In the first setup
> the "backup plan" would only happen were you to switch from a non-operative
> motor to an operative one. In the second/third arrangement the pumping
> load is theoretically shared all the time by both motors and if one craps
> out the other simply does all the work.
>
> FWIW I have the SPDT version mounted inconspicuously through the rear
> bulkhead behind the driver;s seat so it can be reached while driving.
>
> Best--Michael Oritt
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 7:22 PM Fred Wescoe <fredwescoe at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Listers,
> >
> > I was out for a long drive in the mountains this afternoon and on an
> > uphill grade, the car lost power and as I pulled over on a pull off, the
> > engine died. I sat in the car for a couple of minutes trying to restart
> > it. I waited until traffic was past me and turned the key but did not
> hear
> > the ticking of the fuel pump. I waited several minutes, tried again but
> no
> > luck.
> >
> > I called AAA and they picked me and the car up for the ride home. At
> > home, off the flatbed, still no ticking. So, I am thinking the fuel
> > pump is dead.
> >
> > Looking at the Moss site, they list an early and a late BJ8 pump. The
> > Moss tech couldn't tell me which I am. My car number is 29009. Am I an
> > early or late pump? Also, if I switch to the double ended pump, do both
> > ends work at the same time or is one end a backup for the other end? If
> > one end failed would the other end provide fuel in the normal manner and
> > save me?
> >
> > Should I simply go with whichever single pump is for my car and then
> > install a backup pump?
> >
> > Just as an important aside, AAA said covid regulations prohibited me from
> > riding in the tow truck cab with the driver. I was somewhat amazed at
> this
> > but AAA offered to transfer me to the nearest car rental place as a
> > service. I made my call but my ride didn't arrive before the truck
> driver
> > (she was in the middle of a haircut so you know where that got me). The
> > driver was very nice about the whole thing and did allow me in the cab
> with
> > him (I wore my mask).
> >
> > I will start investigating the source of the pump problem tomorrow.
> >
> > Thanks for all input on this one,
> >
> > Fred
> >
> > 66 BJ8 (new or late)
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 20:06:05 -0700
> From: "Harold Manifold" <manifold at telus.net>
> To: "'Fred Wescoe'" <fredwescoe at gmail.com>, "'healeys'"
> <Healeys at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Fuel pump
> Message-ID: <86991906DA314DF4898BD8A89052644C at AllInOne>
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>
> Burlen is a good source for fuel pumps and repair kits.
>
> http://sucarb.co.uk/carbspec/carburettor/pumps/id/400/
>
> _____
>
> From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Fred
> Wescoe
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 4:13 PM
> To: healeys
> Subject: [Healeys] Fuel pump
>
>
> Listers,
>
> I was out for a long drive in the mountains this afternoon and on an uphill
> grade, the car lost power and as I pulled over on a pull off, the engine
> died. I sat in the car for a couple of minutes trying to restart it. I
> waited until traffic was past me and turned the key but did not hear the
> ticking of the fuel pump. I waited several minutes, tried again but no
> luck.
>
> I called AAA and they picked me and the car up for the ride home. At home,
> off the flatbed, still no ticking. So, I am thinking the fuel pump is
> dead.
>
> Looking at the Moss site, they list an early and a late BJ8 pump. The Moss
> tech couldn't tell me which I am. My car number is 29009. Am I an early
> or
> late pump? Also, if I switch to the double ended pump, do both ends work
> at
> the same time or is one end a backup for the other end? If one end failed
> would the other end provide fuel in the normal manner and save me?
>
> Should I simply go with whichever single pump is for my car and then
> install
> a backup pump?
>
> Just as an important aside, AAA said covid regulations prohibited me from
> riding in the tow truck cab with the driver. I was somewhat amazed at this
> but AAA offered to transfer me to the nearest car rental place as a
> service.
> I made my call but my ride didn't arrive before the truck driver (she was
> in
> the middle of a haircut so you know where that got me). The driver was
> very
> nice about the whole thing and did allow me in the cab with him (I wore my
> mask).
>
> I will start investigating the source of the pump problem tomorrow.
>
> Thanks for all input on this one,
>
> Fred
>
> 66 BJ8 (new or late)
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 22:29:21 -0600
> From: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
> To: "healeys at autox.team.net" <healeys at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Changing my email address
> Message-ID: <208e3933-bbbe-3ba9-8aae-5da3d33988f4 at bradakis.com>
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> For those folks on the real time list rather than the digest, each and
> every list message has a few web links at the bottom. One such link is
> labeled "Unsubscribe/Manage".? This link, which for some reason is not
> available to digest members, is personalized for every user.? If one
> clicks on it, assuming your email program is web aware, it takes you
> right to a web page where you can do things like change your
> subscription from one address to another.? Fairly simple and
> straightforward, when people use it it reduces the time I have to put
> into Team Net maintenance.? And thanks to mailing list management
> software, the time I need to spend on list work is a lot less than it
> was back 20 - 25 years ago.? No more 15 - 20 hours a week keeping the
> bits flowing, thank goodness!
>
> Anyway, John, I made the change, you should be set.
>
> mjb.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 14:44:27 +0800
> From: Alan Seigrist <healey.nut at gmail.com>
> To: Charles Schott <schottc at knology.net>
> Cc: Max Byers <sbyers at ec.rr.com>, Healey list <healeys at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] [Healeys) 100-4 Heat Shield with Headers
> Message-ID:
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> That's very handsome! I got pretty good results by jet-hot coating the
> exhaust manifold but it's good to have SS exhaust if you do this because
> the exhaust gasses get much hotter.
>
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 6:31 AM Charles Schott via Healeys <
> healeys at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> > After one more modification, the fifth one, to eliminate interference
> with
> > the vacuum hose fitting, I can continue with mounting the carbs. Some,
> > including me, might say it's been over engineered.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Charlie
> >
> >
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> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 09:01:53 +0200
> From: Kees Oudesluijs <coudesluijs at chello.nl>
> To: healeys at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Fuel pump
> Message-ID: <10fcdbd3-f3c1-8ade-d292-df7ad8a33592 at chello.nl>
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> Most likely an SU AUF301/303/305 pump is fitted as original, the
> Burlen/SU AZX1308 is the equivalent modern replacement. It is very
> unlikely that the pump is scrap. These pumps are imminently rebuildable.
> Probably the points are dirty/burned/worn and need replacement. A
> problem that arises when the car is used sparingly. Replacing the points
> is a simple operation that can be done in about an hour at home using
> basic tools and some feeler gauges..
>
> If a double ended pump is used both ends work simultaneously. If one end
> stops the other end will continue more or less as a back up. This is a
> bit of a problem as you will not normally notice one end stopping.
>
> Even with a new SU pump you often encounter that it does not work
> initially and that you have to remove the cap to clean the points using
> some flower paper.
>
> There are electronic versions but apparently reliability is said to be
> an issue.
>
>
> Kees Oudesluijs
>
>
>
>
> Op 16-9-2020 om 01:13 schreef Fred Wescoe:
> > Listers,
> >
> > I was out for a long drive in the mountains this afternoon and on an
> > uphill grade, the car lost power and as I pulled over on a pull off,
> > the engine died.? I sat in the car for a couple of minutes trying?to
> > restart it.? I waited until traffic was past me and turned the key but
> > did not hear the ticking of the fuel pump.? I waited several?minutes,
> > tried again but no luck.
> >
> > I called AAA and they picked me and the car up for the ride home.? At
> > home, off the flatbed, still no ticking.? So, I am thinking the fuel
> > pump?is dead.
> >
> > Looking at the Moss site, they list an early?and a late?BJ8 pump.? The
> > Moss tech couldn't tell me which I am.? My car number is 29009.? Am I
> > an early or late pump?? Also, if I switch to the double?ended pump, do
> > both ends work at the same time or is one end a backup for the other
> > end?? If one end failed would the other end provide fuel in the normal
> > manner and save me?
> >
> > Should I simply go with whichever single pump is for my car and?then
> > install a backup pump?
> >
> > Just as an important aside, AAA said covid regulations prohibited me
> > from riding in the tow truck cab with the driver.? I was somewhat
> > amazed at this but AAA offered to transfer me to the nearest car
> > rental place as a service.? I made my call but my ride didn't arrive
> > before the truck driver (she was in the middle?of a haircut so you
> > know where that?got me).? The driver was very nice about the whole
> > thing and did allow me in the cab with him (I wore my mask).
> >
> > I will start investigating the source of the pump problem tomorrow.
> >
> > Thanks for all input on this one,
> >
> > Fred
> >
> > 66 BJ8 (new or late)
> >
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