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Just my 2 cents. The extra noise from a fan or an engine is just the noise
made from air movement. Though our engines do make more power at
the higher rpms (thus more noise) it's actually not as efficent at
processing the air movement as it is at a slower speed. I believe that the
most efficent engine in the world has an 8 foot stroke and maxes out at102
rpm. It's most efficent speed is 100rpms. That gives plenty of time to
extract all of the engergy from the fuel/air misture. When the heater fan
is turning at 3 times the low speed it is not moving 3 times the air, just
moving more air. Noise is just unused energy.
In my case I really don't care one way or another. I have pancake air
filters with no air flow enhancements. A nice throaty sound from a MG
exhaust is a plesant sound no matter how it gets there.
Charlie Durning
If you are using Google or Gmail, Big Brother is watching.
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Wayne & Isabel Hardy <
gwhardy@suddenlink.net> wrote:
> Yea that sounds nice all that about efficiency, but fact of the matter
> is that the big old factory cleaner was much quieter than the small
> cleaners or just velocity stacks...more air seems to make more noise, jus=
t
> turn your garage fan from low to high speed and tell me which setting is
> loudest or sit in the car and turn the heater / ac fan up to high and
> compare it to the low setting and see which one you like best.
> The intake roar doesn=92t bother me in the least nor does a nice hum from
> the exhausting gases but some folks do not like gaseous noises from eithe=
r
> end.
>
> *From:* Gene deRuelle <deruelle@att.net>
> *Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2013
> *To:* Michael Anderson <mjamgb@sbcglobal.net> ; List for the Z Magnette
> Group - North America <zmagnette@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Zmagnette] Stub stacks
>
> If you run the little stacks, aren't you subjecting the fuel/air mixture
> to whatever is IN the air? In other words, you can't run the stacks and =
an
> air cleaner, can you?
>
> Gene D
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Michael Anderson <mjamgb@sbcglobal.net>
> *To:* List for the Z Magnette Group - North America<zmagnette@autox.team.=
net>
> *Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2013 6:58 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Zmagnette] Stub stacks
>
> I respectfully disagree that more air =3D more noise by default. "Noise" =
to
> a mechanical engineer (or most any engineer) is an undesireable by-produc=
t
> of inefficiency, i.e. whatever is causing the noise is sapping energy fro=
m
> whatever the machine is supposed to do (unless it's job is to make noise)=
.
> Having said that, stub stacks should reduce noise -all else being the sam=
e
> - because the efficiency of the system is increased.
>
> To that end, Allen opens up the issue of Bernoulli. In our carbs Bernoull=
i
> is working hard for us at the piston/bridge, not the inlet throat. Withou=
t
> some kind of "stack" Bernoulli is screwing with us at the carb inlet as t=
he
> "apparent" inlet diameter gets smaller due to the air having to make a ha=
rd
> 90-degreee turn... turbulence is also introduced before the piston/bridge
> which is not a happy thing for nice even fuel induction.
>
> Those two reasons are what makes the mixture "change" when you put a stac=
k
> on. Not more air, per se, but quality of air flow.
>
> Mike!
>
>
> Michael Anderson
> One of a Kind Stuff/AEU
> 775 772-2056
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Wayne & Isabel Hardy <gwhardy@suddenlink.net>
> *To:* List for the Z Magnette Group - North America <
> zmagnette@autox.team.net>
> *Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2013 1:19 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Zmagnette] Stub stacks
>
> If the carbs are tuned again to compensate for more air to the inlet,
> then more power should always be the result. If more power is =93Better=
=94,
> then the answer is yes. But you must adjust for more airflow to get a mor=
e
> better running motor..ie more air will need more fuel too if a result is =
to
> be more power. Maybe a new, slightly richer needle is the ticket to heave=
n.
> I know the K&N filter people caution that their filters flow so much more
> air than the usual paper ones, that a richer needle, or jet, or slight
> enrichment adjustment may be desirable for best running.
> Of course all this extra air flow is also likely to create more inlet roa=
r
> under acceleration. Is that =93Better=94 or not???
> I personally run the MGA cleaner assemblies rather than the Magnette one
> for better access to the carb adjustment screws for keeping up with summe=
r
> 100 degree days now swinging to winter 50 - 60 degree days and the
> resultant changes in idle speeds due to cooler, denser air, and the need =
to
> richen the mix by about 1/8th of a turn.
> MG put on the big old ugly oil bath filter for better engine life in a
> variety of dirty dusty operating situations around the world, and for mor=
e
> civilized operation in a quieter manner. Their true race motors ran with
> velocity stacks and no filters usually.
>
> Wombat
>
> *From:* Allen Bachelder <bachldrs@comcast.net>
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:21 PM
> *To:* List for the Z Magnette Group - North America<zmagnette@autox.team.=
net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Zmagnette] Stub stacks
>
> I'm cautiously venturing beyond my paygrade here, but are we not talking
> about the Bernoulli Principle: stating that as air enters a conical tube
> the air pressure is maximized, but as the tube diameter conically
> diminishes, air pressure decreases as air speed increases inside the carb=
.
> Without a conical stub stack, there is no acceleration in the air enterin=
g
> the carb inlet. How much lift would we get from a cross-sectionally flat
> airplane wing-top with a squared-off leading edge?
>
> That being said, how can the original Magnette intake plenum perform any
> of this function? Same question for the intake plenums on T-series cars. =
I
> would think they would be Bernoullian disasters. Would a Magnette engine
> always run better with stub stacks rather than the original plenum?
>
> Curious in Michigan.
>
> (Allen)
> ******************************************************************
>
> *Allen & Florrie Bachelder =3Diii=3D<Spring Creek Home for Wayward =
MGs*
> *'57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT*
> *North Street, MI 48049, USA*
> *http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs
> <http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs>*
>
> ******************************************************************
>
> On Nov 13, 2013, at 7:33 PM, John Park wrote:
>
> Depending on length it can produce a much smoother flow, some say a bit
> of a ram effect which increases power and torque . Longer stacks as in
> longer runners means more torque while shorter ones mean more power. Not
> lots, but it all contributes to a freer flowing intake which helps your
> freer flowing exhaust to make a bit more power/torque and slightly better
> fuel economy. You note vintage racers usually have anywhere from2.5 to 6
> inch stacks. Some with a stocking for a coarse filter, most just hoping
> nothing of consequence enters the throat=85 I have a set of 2.25 inch sta=
cks
> in my 3.25 inch K&N=92s on my MGB and they seem to help. Just the ho hum
> stock setup on my Magnette.
>
> *From:* zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:
> zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of *Richard Greenberg
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 13, 2013 12:34 PM
> *To:* List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
> *Subject:* Re: [Zmagnette] Stub stacks
>
> What is a stub stack? Would it allow for a filter that lies closer to the
> engine than a regular pancake filter?
>
> On Nov 13, 2013, at 9:53 AM, Allen Bachelder wrote:
>
>
> I've always just used the item #54 from the Moss catalog:
> http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=3D28996#top=
Are these from APT or Rimmer better?
>
> Always anxious to learn...
> Allen
> ******************************************************************
>
> *Allen & Florrie Bachelder =3Diii=3D<Spring Creek Home for Wayward =
MGs*
> *'57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT*
> *North Street, MI 48049, USA*
> *http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs
> <http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs>*
> ***************************************************************=
*
>
> On Nov 13, 2013, at 4:10 AM, monster@caverock.net.nz wrote:
>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'd like to get a pair of 1.5" H4 stub stacks and I've tried emailing
> Steve Ash several times to see if he would make some more, but I haven't
> got an answer from him.
>
> So... from a light scour of the internet there appears to be two types
> available at a reasonable cost:
> $32.50 ea -
> http://www.aptfast.com/ShowItem/101221%20Billet%20Alloy%20Stub%20Stack%20=
SU%20HS4.aspx
> $57 pair - http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/Item--i-RL1396ALT
>
> I've excluded the K&N ones as they are very rough, by all accounts.
> Are there any others that people would recommend?
>
> They're going to fit inside K&N filters that are 2 1/8" thick.
>
> regards,
> --
> Robert (in NZ)
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<div>Just my 2 cents.=A0 The extra noise from a fan or an engine is just th=
e noise made from=A0 air movement.=A0 Though our engines do make more power=
at the=A0higher=A0rpms (thus more noise) it's actually not as efficent=
at processing the air movement=A0as it is at a slower speed.=A0 I believe =
that the most efficent engine in the world has an 8 foot stroke=A0and maxes=
out at102 rpm.=A0 It's most efficent speed is 100rpms.=A0 That=A0gives=
plenty of time to extract all of the engergy from the fuel/air misture.=A0=
When the heater fan is turning at 3 times the low speed it is not moving 3=
times the air, just moving more air.=A0 Noise is just unused energy.=A0</d=
iv>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>In my case I really don't care one way or another.=A0 I have panca=
ke air filters with no air flow enhancements.=A0 A nice throaty sound from =
a MG exhaust is a plesant sound no matter how it gets there.<br clear=3D"al=
l">
=A0</div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Charlie Durning</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"4">If you are using Google or Gmail, Big Brother is watc=
hing.</font></div>
<div>=A0</div></div></div><br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Wayne & Is=
abel Hardy <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:gwhardy@suddenlink.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">gwhardy@suddenlink.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;PA=
DDING-LEFT:1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div dir=3D"ltr" bgcolor=3D"#ffffff">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri';FONT-SIZE:14pt">
<div><font size=3D"4">Yea that sounds nice all that about efficiency, but f=
act of the matter is that the big old factory cleaner was much quieter than=
the small cleaners or just velocity stacks...more air seems to make more n=
oise, just turn your garage fan from low to high speed and tell me which se=
tting is loudest or sit in the car and turn the heater / ac fan up to high =
and compare it to the low setting and see which one you like best.</font></=
div>
<div><font size=3D"4">The intake roar doesn=92t bother me in the least nor =
does a nice hum from the exhausting gases but some folks do not like gaseou=
s noises from either end.</font></div>
<div style=3D"FONT-STYLE:normal;DISPLAY:inline;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri'=
;;FONT-SIZE:small;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none">
<div style=3D"FONT:10pt tahoma">
<div><font size=3D"4" face=3D"Calibri"></font>=A0</div>
<div style=3D"BACKGROUND:#f5f5f5">
<div><b>From:</b> <a title=3D"deruelle@att.net" href=3D"mailto:deruelle@att=
.net" target=3D"_blank">Gene deRuelle</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 15, 2013 </div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"mjamgb@sbcglobal.net" href=3D"mailto:mjamgb@sbc=
global.net" target=3D"_blank">Michael Anderson</a> ; <a title=3D"zmagnette@=
autox.team.net" href=3D"mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">=
List for the Z Magnette Group - North America</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Zmagnette] Stub stacks</div></div></div>
<div>=A0</div></div>
<div style=3D"FONT-STYLE:normal;DISPLAY:inline;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri'=
;;FONT-SIZE:small;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none">
<div><font face=3D"Arial">If you run the little stacks, aren't you subj=
ecting the fuel/air mixture to whatever is IN the air?=A0 In other words, y=
ou can't run the stacks and an air cleaner, can you?</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial">Gene D</font></div>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT:#000000 2px solid;PADDING-LEFT:5px;PADDING=
-RIGHT:0px;MARGIN-LEFT:5px;MARGIN-RIGHT:0px">
<div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div>
<div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial;BACKGROUND:#e4e4e4"><b>From:</b> <a title=3D"=
mjamgb@sbcglobal.net" href=3D"mailto:mjamgb@sbcglobal.net"; target=3D"_blank=
">Michael Anderson</a> </div>
<div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"zmagnette@autox.team.=
net" href=3D"mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">List for th=
e Z Magnette Group - North America</a> </div>
<div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 15, 2013 6:58 =
AM</div>
<div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Zmagnette] Stub stacks<=
/div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:times new roman,new york,times,serif;FONT-SIZE:12=
pt">I respectfully disagree that more air =3D more noise by default. "=
Noise" to a mechanical engineer (or most any engineer) is an undesirea=
ble by-product of inefficiency, i.e. whatever is causing the noise is sappi=
ng energy from whatever the machine is supposed to do (unless it's job =
is to make noise). Having said that, stub stacks should reduce noise -all e=
lse being the same - because the efficiency of the system is increased.<br>
<div><span><br></span></div>
<div>To that end, Allen opens up the issue of Bernoulli. In our carbs Berno=
ulli is working hard for us at the piston/bridge, not the inlet throat. Wit=
hout some kind of "stack" Bernoulli is screwing with us at the ca=
rb inlet as the "apparent" inlet diameter gets smaller due to the=
air having to make a hard 90-degreee turn... turbulence is also introduced=
before the piston/bridge which is not a happy thing for nice even fuel ind=
uction.<br>
<br>Those two reasons are what makes the mixture "change" when yo=
u put a stack on. Not more air, per se, but quality of air flow. <br></div>
<div><br>Mike!</div>
<div><br><br></div>
<div>Michael Anderson<br>One of a Kind Stuff/AEU<br><a href=3D"tel:775%2077=
2-2056" target=3D"_blank" value=3D"+17757722056">775 772-2056</a></div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:times new roman,new york,times,serif;FONT-SIZE:12=
pt">
<div style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:times new roman,new york,times,serif;FONT-SIZE:12=
pt">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<hr size=3D"1">
<font face=3D"Arial"><b><span style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT:bold">From:</span></b> W=
ayne & Isabel Hardy <<a href=3D"mailto:gwhardy@suddenlink.net"; targe=
t=3D"_blank">gwhardy@suddenlink.net</a>><br><b><span style=3D"FONT-WEIGH=
T:bold">To:</span></b> List for the Z Magnette Group - North America <<a=
href=3D"mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">zmagnette@autox=
.team.net</a>> <br>
<b><span style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT:bold">Sent:</span></b> Friday, November 15, 2=
013 1:19 AM<br><b><span style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: =
[Zmagnette] Stub stacks<br></font></div>
<div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri';FONT-SIZE:14pt">
<div><font size=3D"4">If the carbs are tuned again to compensate for more a=
ir to the inlet, then more power should always be the result. If more power=
is =93Better=94, then the answer is yes. But you must adjust for more airf=
low to get a more better running motor..ie more air will need more fuel too=
if a result is to be more power. Maybe a new, slightly richer needle is th=
e ticket to heaven. I know the K&N filter people caution that their fil=
ters flow so much more air than the usual paper ones, that a richer needle,=
or jet, or slight enrichment adjustment may be desirable for best running.=
</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"4">Of course all this extra air flow is also likely to c=
reate more inlet roar under acceleration. Is that =93Better=94 or not???</f=
ont></div>
<div><font size=3D"4">I personally run the MGA cleaner assemblies rather th=
an the Magnette one for better access to the carb adjustment screws for kee=
ping up with summer 100 degree days now swinging to winter 50 - 60 degree d=
ays and the resultant changes in idle speeds due to cooler, denser air, and=
the need to richen the mix by about 1/8th of a turn.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"4">MG put on the big old ugly oil bath filter for better=
engine life in a variety of dirty dusty operating situations around the wo=
rld, and for more civilized operation in a quieter manner. Their true race =
motors ran with velocity stacks and no filters usually.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"4"></font>=A0</div>
<div><font size=3D"4">Wombat</font></div>
<div style=3D"FONT-STYLE:normal;DISPLAY:inline;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri'=
;;FONT-SIZE:small;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none">
<div style=3D"FONT:10pt tahoma">
<div>=A0</div>
<div style=3D"BACKGROUND:#f5f5f5">
<div><b>From:</b> <a title=3D"bachldrs@comcast.net" href=3D"mailto:bachldrs=
@comcast.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">Allen Bachelder</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:21 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"zmagnette@autox.team.net" href=3D"mailto:zmagne=
tte@autox.team.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">List for the Z Magne=
tte Group - North America</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Zmagnette] Stub stacks</div></div></div>
<div>=A0</div></div>
<div style=3D"FONT-STYLE:normal;DISPLAY:inline;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri'=
;;FONT-SIZE:small;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;TEXT-DECORATION:none">I'm cautious=
ly venturing beyond my paygrade here, but are we not talking about the Bern=
oulli Principle: stating that as air enters a conical tube the air pressure=
is maximized, but as the tube diameter conically diminishes, air pressure =
decreases as air speed increases inside the carb.=A0 Without a conical stub=
stack, there is no acceleration in the air entering the carb inlet.=A0 How=
much lift would we get from a cross-sectionally flat airplane wing-top wit=
h a squared-off leading edge?=20
<div>=A0</div>
<div>That being said, how can the original Magnette intake plenum perform a=
ny of this function? Same question for the intake plenums on T-series cars.=
I would think they would be Bernoullian disasters.=A0 Would a Magnette eng=
ine always run better with stub stacks rather than the original plenum?</di=
v>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Curious in Michigan.</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>(Allen)</div>
<div>
<div><span style=3D"TEXT-TRANSFORM:none;TEXT-INDENT:0px;BORDER-COLLAPSE:sep=
arate;FONT:medium helvetica;WHITE-SPACE:normal;LETTER-SPACING:normal;WORD-S=
PACING:0px"><span style=3D"TEXT-TRANSFORM:none;TEXT-INDENT:0px;BORDER-COLLA=
PSE:separate;FONT:medium helvetica;WHITE-SPACE:normal;LETTER-SPACING:normal=
;WORD-SPACING:0px">
<div style=3D"WORD-WRAP:break-word"><span style=3D"TEXT-TRANSFORM:none;TEXT=
-INDENT:0px;BORDER-COLLAPSE:separate;FONT:medium helvetica;WHITE-SPACE:norm=
al;LETTER-SPACING:normal;WORD-SPACING:0px"><span style=3D"TEXT-TRANSFORM:no=
ne;TEXT-INDENT:0px;BORDER-COLLAPSE:separate;FONT:medium helvetica;WHITE-SPA=
CE:normal;LETTER-SPACING:normal;WORD-SPACING:0px">
<div style=3D"WORD-WRAP:break-word"><span style=3D"TEXT-TRANSFORM:none;TEXT=
-INDENT:0px;BORDER-COLLAPSE:separate;FONT:medium helvetica;WHITE-SPACE:norm=
al;LETTER-SPACING:normal;WORD-SPACING:0px">
<div style=3D"WORD-WRAP:break-word"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12px"><b><i>**=
**************************************************************</i></b></spa=
n><span style=3D"TEXT-TRANSFORM:none;TEXT-INDENT:0px;BORDER-COLLAPSE:separa=
te;FONT:medium helvetica;WHITE-SPACE:normal;LETTER-SPACING:normal;WORD-SPAC=
ING:0px">=20
<div style=3D"WORD-WRAP:break-word"><span style=3D"LINE-HEIGHT:normal;TEXT-=
TRANSFORM:none;FONT-VARIANT:normal;TEXT-INDENT:0px;BORDER-COLLAPSE:separate=
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<div>On Nov 13, 2013, at 7:33 PM, John Park wrote:</div><br>
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f;FONT-SIZE:12pt"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:calibri,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(3=
1,73,125);FONT-SIZE:11pt">Depending on length it can produce a much smoothe=
r flow, some say a bit of a ram effect which increases power and torque . L=
onger stacks as in longer runners means more torque while shorter ones mean=
more power.=A0 Not lots, but it all contributes to a freer flowing intake =
which helps your freer flowing exhaust to make a bit more power/torque and =
slightly better fuel economy.=A0 You note vintage racers usually have anywh=
ere from2.5 to 6 inch stacks. Some with a stocking for a coarse filter, mos=
t just hoping nothing of consequence enters the throat=85 I have a set of 2=
.25 inch stacks in my 3.25 inch K&N=92s on my MGB and they seem to help=
. Just the ho hum stock setup on my Magnette.</span></div>
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E:11pt">From:</span></b><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:calibri,sans-serif;FONT-=
SIZE:11pt"><span>=A0</span><a style=3D"COLOR:blue;TEXT-DECORATION:underline=
" href=3D"mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"nofollow" target=
=3D"_blank">zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net</a><span>=A0</span>[mailto:<a =
href=3D"mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">zmagnett=
e-bounces@autox.team.net</a>]<span>=A0</span><b>On Behalf Of<span>=A0</span=
></b>Richard Greenberg<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span>=A0</span>Wednesday, November 13, 2013 12:34 PM<br><b>To:=
</b><span>=A0</span>List for the Z Magnette Group - North America<br><b>Sub=
ject:</b><span>=A0</span>Re: [Zmagnette] Stub stacks</span></div></div></di=
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f;FONT-SIZE:12pt">What is a stub stack? Would it allow for a filter that li=
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f;FONT-SIZE:12pt">I've always just used the item #54 from the Moss cata=
log:<span>=A0</span><a style=3D"COLOR:blue;TEXT-DECORATION:underline" href=
=3D"http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=3D28996#t=
op" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewP=
roducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=3D28996#top</a><span>=A0</span> Are these from AP=
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f;FONT-SIZE:12pt">On Nov 13, 2013, at 4:10 AM,<span>=A0</span><a style=3D"C=
OLOR:blue;TEXT-DECORATION:underline" href=3D"mailto:monster@caverock.net.nz=
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if;FONT-SIZE:12pt">Hi everyone,<br><br>I'd like to get a pair of 1.5&qu=
ot; H4 stub stacks and I've tried emailing Steve Ash several times to s=
ee if he would make some more, but I haven't got an answer from him.<br=
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available at a reasonable cost:<br>$32.50 ea -<a style=3D"COLOR:blue;TEXT-D=
ECORATION:underline" href=3D"http://www.aptfast.com/ShowItem/101221%20Bille=
t%20Alloy%20Stub%20Stack%20SU%20HS4.aspx" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank=
">http://www.aptfast.com/ShowItem/101221%20Billet%20Alloy%20Stub%20Stack%20=
SU%20HS4.aspx</a><br>
$57 pair -<span>=A0</span><a style=3D"COLOR:blue;TEXT-DECORATION:underline"=
href=3D"http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/Item--i-RL1396ALT"; rel=3D"nofollow" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/Item--i-RL1396ALT</a><br><br>I&=
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