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You make one wrong assumption and that is that your getting more air. The noise
is from turbulence. One large filter can provide more air then 2 half the size.
Or msybe thr wrong assumption is, it is louder so it must be getting more air.
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Wayne & Isabel Hardy <gwhardy@suddenlink.net> wrote:
Yea that sounds nice all that about efficiency, but fact of the matter is that
the big old factory cleaner was much quieter than the small cleaners or just
velocity stacks...more air seems to make more noise, just turn your garage fan
from low to high speed and tell me which setting is loudest or sit in the car
and turn the heater / ac fan up to high and compare it to the low setting and
see which one you like best.
The intake roar doesnâ??t bother me in the least nor does a nice hum from the
exhausting gases but some folks do not like gaseous noises from either end.
From: Gene deRuelle
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013
To: Michael Anderson ; List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Stub stacks
If you run the little stacks, aren't you subjecting the fuel/air mixture to
whatever is IN the air? In other words, you can't run the stacks and an air
cleaner, can you?
Gene D
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Anderson
To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 6:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Stub stacks
I respectfully disagree that more air = more noise by default. "Noise" to a
mechanical engineer (or most any engineer) is an undesireable by-product of
inefficiency, i.e. whatever is causing the noise is sapping energy from
whatever the machine is supposed to do (unless it's job is to make noise).
Having said that, stub stacks should reduce noise -all else being the same -
because the efficiency of the system is increased.
To that end, Allen opens up the issue of Bernoulli. In our carbs Bernoulli is
working hard for us at the piston/bridge, not the inlet throat. Without some
kind of "stack" Bernoulli is screwing with us at the carb inlet as the
"apparent" inlet diameter gets smaller due to the air having to make a hard
90-degreee turn... turbulence is also introduced before the piston/bridge which
is not a happy thing for nice even fuel induction.
Those two reasons are what makes the mixture "change" when you put a stack on.
Not more air, per se, but quality of air flow.
Mike!
Michael Anderson
One of a Kind Stuff/AEU
775 772-2056
_____________________________________________
From: Wayne & Isabel Hardy <gwhardy@suddenlink.net>
To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America <zmagnette@autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 1:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Stub stacks
If the carbs are tuned again to compensate for more air to the inlet, then more
power should always be the result. If more power is â??Betterâ??, then the
answer is yes. But you must adjust for more airflow to get a more better
running motor..ie more air will need more fuel too if a result is to be more
power. Maybe a new, slightly richer needle is the ticket to heaven. I know the
K&N filter people caution that their filters flow so much more air than the
usual paper ones, that a richer needle, or jet, or slight enrichment adjustment
may be desirable for best running.
Of course all this extra air flow is also likely to create more inlet roar
under acceleration. Is that â??Betterâ?? or not???
I personally run the MGA cleaner assemblies rather than the Magnette one for
better access to the carb adjustment screws for keeping up with summer 100
degree days now swinging to winter 50 - 60 degree days and the resultant
changes in idle speeds due to cooler, denser air, and the need to richen the
mix by about 1/8th of a turn.
MG put on the big old ugly oil bath filter for better engine life in a variety
of dirty dusty operating situations around the world, and for more civilized
operation in a quieter manner. Their true race motors ran with velocity stacks
and no filters usually.
Wombat
From: Allen Bachelder
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:21 PM
To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Stub stacks
I'm cautiously venturing beyond my paygrade here, but are we not talking about
the Bernoulli Principle: stating that as air enters a conical tube the air
pressure is maximized, but as the tube diameter conically diminishes, air
pressure decreases as air speed increases inside the carb. Without a conical
stub stack, there is no acceleration in the air entering the carb inlet. How
much lift would we get from a cross-sectionally flat airplane wing-top with a
squared-off leading edge?
That being said, how can the original Magnette intake plenum perform any of
this function? Same question for the intake plenums on T-series cars. I would
think they would be Bernoullian disasters. Would a Magnette engine always run
better with stub stacks rather than the original plenum?
Curious in Michigan.
(Allen)
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Allen & Florrie Bachelder =iii=<
Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
'57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
North Street, MI 48049, USA
http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs
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On Nov 13, 2013, at 7:33 PM, John Park wrote:
Depending on length it can produce a much smoother flow, some say a bit of a
ram effect which increases power and torque . Longer stacks as in longer
runners means more torque while shorter ones mean more power. Not lots, but it
all contributes to a freer flowing intake which helps your freer flowing
exhaust to make a bit more power/torque and slightly better fuel economy. You
note vintage racers usually have anywhere from2.5 to 6 inch stacks. Some with a
stocking for a coarse filter, most just hoping nothing of consequence enters
the throatâ?¦ I have a set of 2.25 inch stacks in my 3.25 inch K&Nâ??s on my
MGB and they seem to help. Just the ho hum stock setup on my Magnette.
From: zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net
[mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Richard Greenberg
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 12:34 PM
To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Stub stacks
What is a stub stack? Would it allow for a filter that lies closer to the
engine than a regular pancake filter?
On Nov 13, 2013, at 9:53 AM, Allen Bachelder wrote:
I've always just used the item #54 from the Moss catalog:
http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=28996#top Are
these from APT or Rimmer better?
Always anxious to learn...
Allen
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Allen & Florrie Bachelder =iii=<
Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
'57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
North Street, MI 48049, USA
http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs
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On Nov 13, 2013, at 4:10 AM, monster@caverock.net.nz wrote:
Hi everyone,
I'd like to get a pair of 1.5" H4 stub stacks and I've tried emailing Steve Ash
several times to see if he would make some more, but I haven't got an answer
from him.
So... from a light scour of the internet there appears to be two types
available at a reasonable cost:
$32.50 ea
-http://www.aptfast.com/ShowItem/101221%20Billet%20Alloy%20Stub%20Stack%20SU%20HS4.aspx
$57 pair - http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/Item--i-RL1396ALT
I've excluded the K&N ones as they are very rough, by all accounts.
Are there any others that people would recommend?
They're going to fit inside K&N filters that are 2 1/8" thick.
regards,
--
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<BODY dir=ltr bgColor=#ffffff>You make one wrong assumption and that is that
your getting more air. The noise is from turbulence. One large filter can
provide more air then 2 half the size.<br>
Or msybe thr wrong assumption is, it is louder so it must be getting more
air.<br>
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Please excuse my brevity.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Wayne & Isabel
Hardy <gwhardy@suddenlink.net> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote"
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000">
<DIV><FONT size=4>Yea that sounds nice all that about efficiency, but fact of
the matter is that the big old factory cleaner was much quieter than the small
cleaners or just velocity stacks...more air seems to make more noise, just turn
your garage fan from low to high speed and tell me which setting is loudest or
sit in the car and turn the heater / ac fan up to high and compare it to the
low
setting and see which one you like best.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>The intake roar doesnâ??t bother me in the least nor does a
nice
hum from the exhausting gases but some folks do not like gaseous noises from
either end.</FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR:
#000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; TEXT-DECORATION: none; DISPLAY: inline">
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=deruelle@att.net
href="mailto:deruelle@att.net";>Gene deRuelle</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, November 15, 2013 </DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=mjamgb@sbcglobal.net
href="mailto:mjamgb@sbcglobal.net";>Michael Anderson</A> ; <A
title=zmagnette@autox.team.net href="mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net";>List for
the Z Magnette Group - North America</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Zmagnette] Stub stacks</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR:
#000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; TEXT-DECORATION: none; DISPLAY: inline">
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>If you run the little stacks, aren't you
subjecting
the fuel/air mixture to whatever is IN the air? In other words, you can't
run the stacks and an air cleaner, can you?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Gene D</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=mjamgb@sbcglobal.net href="mailto:mjamgb@sbcglobal.net";>Michael
Anderson</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=zmagnette@autox.team.net
href="mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net";>List for the Z Magnette Group - North
America</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, November 15, 2013 6:58
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Zmagnette] Stub
stacks</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif;
COLOR: #000; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff">I
respectfully disagree that more air = more noise by default. "Noise" to a
mechanical engineer (or most any engineer) is an undesireable by-product of
inefficiency, i.e. whatever is causing the noise is sapping energy from
whatever the machine is supposed to do (unless it's job is to make noise).
Having said that, stub stacks should reduce noise -all else being the same -
because the efficiency of the system is increased.<BR>
<DIV><SPAN><BR></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV>To that end, Allen opens up the issue of Bernoulli. In our carbs
Bernoulli is working hard for us at the piston/bridge, not the inlet throat.
Without some kind of "stack" Bernoulli is screwing with us at the carb inlet
as the "apparent" inlet diameter gets smaller due to the air having to make a
hard 90-degreee turn... turbulence is also introduced before the
piston/bridge
which is not a happy thing for nice even fuel induction.<BR><BR>Those two
reasons are what makes the mixture "change" when you put a stack on. Not more
air, per se, but quality of air flow. <BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR>Mike!</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Michael Anderson<BR>One of a Kind Stuff/AEU<BR>775 772-2056</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<HR SIZE=1>
<FONT size=2 face=Arial><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B>
Wayne & Isabel Hardy <gwhardy@suddenlink.net><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> List for the Z Magnette Group -
North
America <zmagnette@autox.team.net> <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, November 15, 2013 1:19
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [Zmagnette]
Stub stacks<BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>If the carbs are tuned again to compensate for more air to
the inlet, then more power should always be the result. If more power is
â??Betterâ??, then the answer is yes. But you must adjust for more airflow to
get
a more better running motor..ie more air will need more fuel too if a result
is to be more power. Maybe a new, slightly richer needle is the ticket to
heaven. I know the K&N filter people caution that their filters flow so
much more air than the usual paper ones, that a richer needle, or jet, or
slight enrichment adjustment may be desirable for best running.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Of course all this extra air flow is also likely to create
more inlet roar under acceleration. Is that â??Betterâ?? or
not???</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>I personally run the MGA cleaner assemblies rather than the
Magnette one for better access to the carb adjustment screws for keeping up
with summer 100 degree days now swinging to winter 50 - 60 degree days and
the
resultant changes in idle speeds due to cooler, denser air, and the need to
richen the mix by about 1/8th of a turn.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>MG put on the big old ugly oil bath filter for better
engine
life in a variety of dirty dusty operating situations around the world, and
for more civilized operation in a quieter manner. Their true race motors ran
with velocity stacks and no filters usually.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Wombat</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=bachldrs@comcast.net
href="mailto:bachldrs@comcast.net"; rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:bachldrs@comcast.net";>Allen Bachelder</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:21 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=zmagnette@autox.team.net
href="mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net"; rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net";>List for the Z Magnette Group -
North America</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Zmagnette] Stub stacks</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR:
#000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; TEXT-DECORATION: none; DISPLAY: inline">I'm
cautiously venturing beyond my paygrade here, but are we not talking about
the
Bernoulli Principle: stating that as air enters a conical tube the air
pressure is maximized, but as the tube diameter conically diminishes, air
pressure decreases as air speed increases inside the carb. Without a
conical stub stack, there is no acceleration in the air entering the carb
inlet. How much lift would we get from a cross-sectionally flat
airplane
wing-top with a squared-off leading edge?
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>That being said, how can the original Magnette intake plenum perform any
of this function? Same question for the intake plenums on T-series cars. I
would think they would be Bernoullian disasters. Would a Magnette
engine
always run better with stub stacks rather than the original plenum?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Curious in Michigan.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>(Allen)</DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif; COLOR:
rgb(31,73,125)">Depending
on length it can produce a much smoother flow, some say a bit of a ram
effect which increases power and torque . Longer stacks as in longer
runners
means more torque while shorter ones mean more power. Not lots, but
it
all contributes to a freer flowing intake which helps your freer flowing
exhaust to make a bit more power/torque and slightly better fuel
economy. You note vintage racers usually have anywhere from2.5 to 6
inch stacks. Some with a stocking for a coarse filter, most just hoping
nothing of consequence enters the throatâ?¦ I have a set of 2.25 inch
stacks
in my 3.25 inch K&Nâ??s on my MGB and they seem to help. Just the ho
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href="http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=28996#top";
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everyone,<BR><BR>I'd like to get a pair of 1.5" H4 stub stacks and I've
tried emailing Steve Ash several times to see if he would make some
more, but I haven't got an answer from him.<BR><BR>So... from a light
scour of the internet there appears to be two types available at a
reasonable cost:<BR>$32.50 ea -<A
style="COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline"
href="http://www.aptfast.com/ShowItem/101221%20Billet%20Alloy%20Stub%20Stack%20SU%20HS4.aspx";
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target=_blank>http://www.aptfast.com/ShowItem/101221%20Billet%20Alloy%20Stub%20Stack%20SU%20HS4.aspx</A><BR>$57
pair -<SPAN class=yiv1013556227Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A
style="COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline"
href="http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/Item--i-RL1396ALT"; rel=nofollow
target=_blank>http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/Item--i-RL1396ALT</A><BR><BR>I've
excluded the K&N ones as they are very rough, by all
accounts.<BR>Are there any others that people would
recommend?<BR><BR>They're going to fit inside K&N filters that are
2
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