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If you run the little stacks, aren't you subjecting the fuel/air mixture =
to whatever is IN the air? In other words, you can't run the stacks and =
an air cleaner, can you?
Gene D
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Michael Anderson=20
To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America=20
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 6:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Stub stacks
I respectfully disagree that more air =3D more noise by default. =
"Noise" to a mechanical engineer (or most any engineer) is an =
undesireable by-product of inefficiency, i.e. whatever is causing the =
noise is sapping energy from whatever the machine is supposed to do =
(unless it's job is to make noise). Having said that, stub stacks should =
reduce noise -all else being the same - because the efficiency of the =
system is increased.
To that end, Allen opens up the issue of Bernoulli. In our carbs =
Bernoulli is working hard for us at the piston/bridge, not the inlet =
throat. Without some kind of "stack" Bernoulli is screwing with us at =
the carb inlet as the "apparent" inlet diameter gets smaller due to the =
air having to make a hard 90-degreee turn... turbulence is also =
introduced before the piston/bridge which is not a happy thing for nice =
even fuel induction.
Those two reasons are what makes the mixture "change" when you put a =
stack on. Not more air, per se, but quality of air flow.=20
Mike!
Michael Anderson
One of a Kind Stuff/AEU
775 772-2056
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From: Wayne & Isabel Hardy <gwhardy@suddenlink.net>
To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America =
<zmagnette@autox.team.net>=20
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 1:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Stub stacks
If the carbs are tuned again to compensate for more air to the inlet, =
then more power should always be the result. If more power is =
=E2=80=9CBetter=E2=80=9D, then the answer is yes. But you must adjust =
for more airflow to get a more better running motor..ie more air will =
need more fuel too if a result is to be more power. Maybe a new, =
slightly richer needle is the ticket to heaven. I know the K&N filter =
people caution that their filters flow so much more air than the usual =
paper ones, that a richer needle, or jet, or slight enrichment =
adjustment may be desirable for best running.
Of course all this extra air flow is also likely to create more inlet =
roar under acceleration. Is that =E2=80=9CBetter=E2=80=9D or not???
I personally run the MGA cleaner assemblies rather than the Magnette =
one for better access to the carb adjustment screws for keeping up with =
summer 100 degree days now swinging to winter 50 - 60 degree days and =
the resultant changes in idle speeds due to cooler, denser air, and the =
need to richen the mix by about 1/8th of a turn.
MG put on the big old ugly oil bath filter for better engine life in a =
variety of dirty dusty operating situations around the world, and for =
more civilized operation in a quieter manner. Their true race motors ran =
with velocity stacks and no filters usually.
Wombat
From: Allen Bachelder=20
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:21 PM
To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America=20
Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Stub stacks
I'm cautiously venturing beyond my paygrade here, but are we not =
talking about the Bernoulli Principle: stating that as air enters a =
conical tube the air pressure is maximized, but as the tube diameter =
conically diminishes, air pressure decreases as air speed increases =
inside the carb. Without a conical stub stack, there is no acceleration =
in the air entering the carb inlet. How much lift would we get from a =
cross-sectionally flat airplane wing-top with a squared-off leading =
edge?=20
That being said, how can the original Magnette intake plenum perform =
any of this function? Same question for the intake plenums on T-series =
cars. I would think they would be Bernoullian disasters. Would a =
Magnette engine always run better with stub stacks rather than the =
original plenum?
Curious in Michigan.
(Allen)
****************************************************************=20
Allen & Florrie Bachelder =3Diii=3D<
Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
'57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
North Street, MI 48049, USA
http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs=20
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On Nov 13, 2013, at 7:33 PM, John Park wrote:
Depending on length it can produce a much smoother flow, some say a =
bit of a ram effect which increases power and torque . Longer stacks as =
in longer runners means more torque while shorter ones mean more power. =
Not lots, but it all contributes to a freer flowing intake which helps =
your freer flowing exhaust to make a bit more power/torque and slightly =
better fuel economy. You note vintage racers usually have anywhere =
from2.5 to 6 inch stacks. Some with a stocking for a coarse filter, most =
just hoping nothing of consequence enters the throat=E2=80=A6 I have a =
set of 2.25 inch stacks in my 3.25 inch K&N=E2=80=99s on my MGB and they =
seem to help. Just the ho hum stock setup on my Magnette.
From: zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net =
[mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Richard Greenberg
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 12:34 PM
To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Stub stacks
What is a stub stack? Would it allow for a filter that lies closer =
to the engine than a regular pancake filter?
On Nov 13, 2013, at 9:53 AM, Allen Bachelder wrote:
I've always just used the item #54 from the Moss catalog: =
http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=3D28996#top=
Are these from APT or Rimmer better?
Always anxious to learn...
Allen
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Allen & Florrie Bachelder =3Diii=3D<
Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
'57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
North Street, MI 48049, USA
http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs
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On Nov 13, 2013, at 4:10 AM, monster@caverock.net.nz wrote:
Hi everyone,
I'd like to get a pair of 1.5" H4 stub stacks and I've tried =
emailing Steve Ash several times to see if he would make some more, but =
I haven't got an answer from him.
So... from a light scour of the internet there appears to be two =
types available at a reasonable cost:
$32.50 ea =
-http://www.aptfast.com/ShowItem/101221%20Billet%20Alloy%20Stub%20Stack%2=
0SU%20HS4.aspx
$57 pair - http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/Item--i-RL1396ALT
I've excluded the K&N ones as they are very rough, by all =
accounts.
Are there any others that people would recommend?
They're going to fit inside K&N filters that are 2 1/8" thick.
regards,
--=20
Robert (in NZ)
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>If you run the little stacks, aren't =
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you can't=20
run the stacks and an air cleaner, can you?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>Gene D</FONT></DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dmjamgb@sbcglobal.net =
href=3D"mailto:mjamgb@sbcglobal.net";>Michael=20
Anderson</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dzmagnette@autox.team.net=20
href=3D"mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net";>List for the Z Magnette Group =
- North=20
America</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, November 15, 2013 =
6:58=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Zmagnette] Stub=20
stacks</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new =
york, times, serif; COLOR: #000; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I=20
respectfully disagree that more air =3D more noise by default. "Noise" =
to a=20
mechanical engineer (or most any engineer) is an undesireable =
by-product of=20
inefficiency, i.e. whatever is causing the noise is sapping energy =
from=20
whatever the machine is supposed to do (unless it's job is to make =
noise).=20
Having said that, stub stacks should reduce noise -all else being the =
same -=20
because the efficiency of the system is increased.<BR>
<DIV><SPAN><BR></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV>To that end, Allen opens up the issue of Bernoulli. In our carbs=20
Bernoulli is working hard for us at the piston/bridge, not the inlet =
throat.=20
Without some kind of "stack" Bernoulli is screwing with us at the carb =
inlet=20
as the "apparent" inlet diameter gets smaller due to the air having to =
make a=20
hard 90-degreee turn... turbulence is also introduced before the =
piston/bridge=20
which is not a happy thing for nice even fuel induction.<BR><BR>Those =
two=20
reasons are what makes the mixture "change" when you put a stack on. =
Not more=20
air, per se, but quality of air flow. <BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR>Mike!</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Michael Anderson<BR>One of a Kind Stuff/AEU<BR>775 =
772-2056</DIV><BR>
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<FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: =
bold">From:</SPAN></B>=20
Wayne & Isabel Hardy <gwhardy@suddenlink.net><BR><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> List for the Z Magnette =
Group - North=20
America <zmagnette@autox.team.net> <BR><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, November 15, 2013 =
1:19=20
AM<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: =
[Zmagnette]=20
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<DIV><FONT size=3D4>If the carbs are tuned again to compensate for =
more air to=20
the inlet, then more power should always be the result. If more power =
is=20
=E2=80=9CBetter=E2=80=9D, then the answer is yes. But you must adjust =
for more airflow to get=20
a more better running motor..ie more air will need more fuel too if a =
result=20
is to be more power. Maybe a new, slightly richer needle is the ticket =
to=20
heaven. I know the K&N filter people caution that their filters =
flow so=20
much more air than the usual paper ones, that a richer needle, or jet, =
or=20
slight enrichment adjustment may be desirable for best =
running.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4>Of course all this extra air flow is also likely =
to create=20
more inlet roar under acceleration. Is that =E2=80=9CBetter=E2=80=9D =
or not???</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4>I personally run the MGA cleaner assemblies rather =
than the=20
Magnette one for better access to the carb adjustment screws for =
keeping up=20
with summer 100 degree days now swinging to winter 50 - 60 degree days =
and the=20
resultant changes in idle speeds due to cooler, denser air, and the =
need to=20
richen the mix by about 1/8th of a turn.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4>MG put on the big old ugly oil bath filter for =
better engine=20
life in a variety of dirty dusty operating situations around the =
world, and=20
for more civilized operation in a quieter manner. Their true race =
motors ran=20
with velocity stacks and no filters usually.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4>Wombat</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=3Dbachldrs@comcast.net=20
href=3D"mailto:bachldrs@comcast.net"; rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank=20
ymailto=3D"mailto:bachldrs@comcast.net";>Allen Bachelder</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:21 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dzmagnette@autox.team.net=20
href=3D"mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net"; rel=3Dnofollow =
target=3D_blank=20
ymailto=3D"mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net";>List for the Z Magnette =
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Zmagnette] Stub stacks</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; =
COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; TEXT-DECORATION: =
none">I'm=20
cautiously venturing beyond my paygrade here, but are we not talking =
about the=20
Bernoulli Principle: stating that as air enters a conical tube the air =
pressure is maximized, but as the tube diameter conically diminishes, =
air=20
pressure decreases as air speed increases inside the carb. =
Without a=20
conical stub stack, there is no acceleration in the air entering the =
carb=20
inlet. How much lift would we get from a cross-sectionally flat =
airplane=20
wing-top with a squared-off leading edge?=20
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>That being said, how can the original Magnette intake plenum =
perform any=20
of this function? Same question for the intake plenums on T-series =
cars. I=20
would think they would be Bernoullian disasters. Would a =
Magnette engine=20
always run better with stub stacks rather than the original =
plenum?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Curious in Michigan.</DIV>
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<DIV>(Allen)</DIV>
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<DIV>On Nov 13, 2013, at 7:33 PM, John Park wrote:</DIV><BR=20
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economy. You note vintage racers usually have anywhere from2.5 =
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inch stacks. Some with a stocking for a coarse filter, most just =
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class=3Dyiv1013556227Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A=20
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href=3D"mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net"; rel=3Dnofollow =
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Greenberg<BR><B>Sent:</B><SPAN=20
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Magnette Group - North America<BR><B>Subject:</B><SPAN=20
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[Zmagnette] Stub=20
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=
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=3Diii=3D<<BR>Spring Creek Home for Wayward =
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